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strongwind

United States862 Posts

February 24 2016 01:48 GMT

#60141

yeah it's time to get rid of caucuses. I agree with them in principle but it just doesn't work in this day and age.

Introvert

United States4996 Posts

February 24 2016 01:48 GMT

#60142

Apparently you aren't allowed to take pictures or video.

Deathstar

9150 Posts

February 24 2016 01:49 GMT

#60143

The other girl had no problem showing us pics of the ballot and the counters

GreenHorizons

United States24048 Posts

February 24 2016 01:49 GMT

#60144

On February 24 2016 10:37 Deathstar wrote:
The Republican side has no center. Just because you tack on "moderate" on Marco Rubio doesn't mean he's actually a moderate. He's a tea party conservative and is closer to Ted Cruz, both who are in favor of trickle down economics, than to Hillary.

We only have one moderate candidate in this race and it's Hillary.

Yeah, seriously. Rubio wants to eliminate capital gains tax altogether. That is in no way moderate.

Wow this nomination process is a disaster. Whether the outcomes are determined by it or not it's embarrassing as an American that this is how we do it.

Introvert

United States4996 Posts

February 24 2016 01:50 GMT

#60145

On February 24 2016 10:49 Deathstar wrote:
The other girl had no problem showing us pics of the ballot and the counters

I think it's a party rule.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/nevada-republican-caucus-results/470682/#t1456274905

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

February 24 2016 01:51 GMT

#60146

Poor Chris Cuomo just trying to campaign for Clinton but he just keeps being a dick about it.

GreenHorizons

United States24048 Posts

February 24 2016 01:51 GMT

#60147

On February 24 2016 10:48 Introvert wrote:
Apparently you aren't allowed to take pictures or video.

They are showing them on national TV pretty sure you can take photos/videos unless the party made some specific agreement, because it was legal on the Dem side.

EDIT: Lol sure enough this process is just terrible, anyone who thinks this is acceptable needs to be shunned from public office.

oBlade

United States6242 Posts

February 24 2016 01:51 GMT

#60148

On February 24 2016 10:39 puerk wrote:

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On February 24 2016 10:33 oBlade wrote:

On February 24 2016 09:26 Nyxisto wrote:
or maybe because he retweets stormfront memes,

Not sure what this is about.

On February 24 2016 09:26 Nyxisto wrote:
and the 'Islam is not a race' argument is still idiotic, we can stick with racist / bigot if the semantics are so bothersome

It's kind of important that people know the difference between a race and a religion if they're trying to identify prejudice based on it. I don't personally consider that religion or the inalienable right to enter a country at a given time are immutable attributes someone is born with.

On February 24 2016 09:31 CannonsNCarriers wrote:

On February 24 2016 09:22 oBlade wrote:

On February 24 2016 08:58 m4ini wrote:

On February 24 2016 08:38 Introvert wrote:

On February 24 2016 07:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm glad people are finally waking up to Trump being the nominee. I think it validates a lot of what I've been saying for a long time but I suppose Introvert will still disagree.

On the spending side, there's been about $180,000,000 spent so far on the Republican side. Approximately $9m was used to attack Trump, they've been running scared the whole campaign.

Talk is that there's a Trump/Rubio deal and that's what we saw manifest recently with teaming up on Cruz. Pressure has been rolling on Kasich to try to get him out since he can seal the deal for Trump by staying in.

It's basically up to Democrats to decide if they want to win or not. Hillary will lose, Bernie will win.

You can be right for the wrong reasons. It's hardly xenophobia powering his campaign. And the number of moderates he gets is impressive. I don't really think that was predicted either.

No, by the actual definition of xenophobia, it wasn't.

By how xenophobia is used commonly (mainly as a substitute for "racist"), well. You tell me. Main points of trump, constantly, is how chinese are bad people and fuck the US over, hispanic rapists/criminals and better building a wall, brown people in general that should be kept out of the country.

Did i miss any ethnics?

edit: and arguing that at least half his votes are based purely on the fact that he antagonizes different ethnics would be very.. brave.

I wonder very much whether you've listened to Trump himself or just taken the MSM spin on him. For example, when you say "brown people," I think you're talking about his idea of a temporary ban on Muslims entering the US - Islam not being a race. Or when he said illegal immigrants were also criminals, you've twisted that to refer to hispanics, which isn't what he said or meant. And now you're saying "Chinese are bad people" when he's never said a single thing about the Chinese people - one of the only words in his vocabulary is "China" and it's because he's talking about international trade. You're the one making this about race.

Just because Trump uses politically correct language to carefully not say anything openly racist doesn't mean that we can't hear and understand exactly what he means. Just ask any Trump supporter at his rallies about what they think about the Mexicans, the Muslims, and the Chinese. Trump has some dastardly policy in mind to hurt each of those groups of people (Wall, Ban, Discriminatory Trade). Trump talks of his policies and their virtues, which is politically correct. But the audience gets that those groups will be harmed.

Edit: Also, don't use "race" as a dodge. Hating and hurting people because of identity group membership is pernicious even if it isn't strictly tied to skin color. Identity group here being: race, religion, country of origin, ethnicity. We don't blame people for those things and treat them as unchangeable. Post WWII it hasn't been morally acceptable to tailor policies to hurt people based on belonging to an identity group.

Have you asked them? The wall is not about hurting "Mexicans," it's about curbing illegal immigration. Maybe ask... the Hispanics who back Trump. I almost have no words that it's fallen to me to explain to you how international trade isn't about racism. And the idea of a temporary ban on Muslims entering the country isn't to hurt Muslims, it's about security. You might not agree, think it's a mistake, but that's what it's actually about.

can you maybe stop the act?
dog whistle politics is a thing, you claiming it doesn't exist doesn't make it so

I don't remember saying that.

Hold the fort: Politicians lie, tell half-truths, are vague, evasive, make promises they can't keep. Only when the new guy I don't like does it, he's racist.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

February 24 2016 01:54 GMT

#60149

Chris Cuomo trying to get Sanders to say he's Jewish.

Deathstar

9150 Posts

February 24 2016 01:58 GMT

#60150

Hmm I was watching this about sea level rising and rising sea levels in the coming decades, or century, will make coastal cities inhabitable. Solutions were, either we move or we build tall walls that will keep the water out. Perhaps there is opportunity for Trump to make his contribution to mankind yet.

kwizach

3658 Posts

February 24 2016 02:02 GMT

#60151

This poll is for Bernie supporters only (the liberals/progressives/Democrats who support Sanders over Clinton in the Democratic primary).

Poll: If Hillary's the nominee, will you vote for her in November?

Yes (18)

55%

No (13)

39%

I don't know (2)

6%

33 total votes

Your vote: If Hillary's the nominee, will you vote for her in November?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): I don't know
(Vote): No

Feel free to discuss your vote in the comments.

Soap

Brazil1546 Posts

February 24 2016 02:05 GMT

#60152

Once small parties are favored, you end up with a lot of them. It becomes impractical to reconcile their minute ideological differences, so they form generic coalitions, and whoever won for president splits the government.

So instead of every GOP candidate having to cater to religious nuts, the religious nuts would have their own organization, and they'd get to nominate a secretary - let's say Education, so they can funnel funds to schools teaching creationism, and it's unlikely anybody would care unless you get the media on top of it.

FPTP polarizes the electorate, but that at least gets people to compromise around a single program. Proportional allows every ideology to be represented, which often results in negotiating with the budget, of which there is never enough.

strongwind

United States862 Posts

February 24 2016 02:08 GMT

#60153

On February 24 2016 10:58 Deathstar wrote:
Hmm I was watching this about sea level rising and rising sea levels in the coming decades, or century, will make coastal cities inhabitable. Solutions were, either we move or we build tall walls that will keep the water out. Perhaps there is opportunity for Trump to make his contribution to mankind yet.

21st century solution to many of the world's problems: walls. beautiful, beautiful walls.

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

February 24 2016 02:08 GMT

#60154

it's basically taking strategic voting out of the picture and allow children to be children. treat the election as some sort of expressive performance rather than behaving strategically to maximize your policy impact.

Mohdoo

United States15743 Posts

February 24 2016 02:14 GMT

#60155

so they ran out of ballots. Now what?

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

February 24 2016 02:15 GMT

#60156

so im watching this town hall

honestly one a week is a pretty insane pace, and im tired from just watching them tbh

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

February 24 2016 02:17 GMT

#60157

On February 24 2016 11:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
so im watching this town hall

honestly one a week is a pretty insane pace, and im tired from just watching them tbh

recharge yourself with some trump overdose

http://trumpsoundboard.com/

unfortunately this one doesn't have yuuge

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

February 24 2016 02:19 GMT

#60158

On February 24 2016 11:17 oneofthem wrote:

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recharge yourself with some trump overdose

http://trumpsoundboard.com/

unfortunately this one doesn't have yuuge

this is beautiful. how can such an obnoxious, disgusting man be the source for something so beautiful.

if you spam "you're really beautiful" it sounds like yuuuuge a little bit