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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 14 2016 03:49 GMT
#58421
No one wants to hear about compassionate conservatism, Kasich.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 14 2016 03:50 GMT
#58422
reagan was pretty rightwing. he might have turned protectionist though.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
February 14 2016 03:50 GMT
#58423
Off topic: Rubio's Lame Duck answer is making me mad. The "lame duck" period has an actual meaning. It means the time after a successor/replacement has been elected for Person X, but Person X is still in office until the newly elected person is sworn in. That is after the Nov 3/4th election in 2016 when it comes to Obama. We are in February.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2016 03:51 GMT
#58424
On February 14 2016 12:48 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 12:47 Nyxisto wrote:
All this admiration for Reagan, genuine question would he even qualify as a Republican today?

Easily.

And he would tell all these clowns to shit down.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-14 03:52:12
February 14 2016 03:51 GMT
#58425
yo ben...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/undermine.asp
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2016 03:51 GMT
#58426
On February 14 2016 12:50 JW_DTLA wrote:
Off topic: Rubio's Lame Duck answer is making me mad. The "lame duck" period has an actual meaning. It means the time after a successor/replacement has been elected for Person X, but Person X is still in office until the newly elected person is sworn in. That is after the Nov 3/4th election in 2016 when it comes to Obama. We are in February.

Facts don't apply here.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 14 2016 03:52 GMT
#58427
On February 14 2016 12:50 oneofthem wrote:
reagan was pretty rightwing. he might have turned protectionist though.

Yep. Painting Reagan as someone who wouldn't be a republican today is 100% liberal revisionist bullshit.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 14 2016 03:54 GMT
#58428
Debate Summary:

Trump: Fuck Bush.
Bush: Fuck Trump.
Cruz: Fuck Rubio.
Rubio: Fuck Cruz.
Kasich: Let's all be friends or else!
Carson: I'm still here you know. Oh well, nobody is listening.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-14 03:57:51
February 14 2016 03:55 GMT
#58429
reagan administration had some of the worst ideologues in charge of important functions of government. from health to environment to the cia. it was a pretty bad government.

real quote: "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-14 04:03:00
February 14 2016 04:02 GMT
#58430
On February 14 2016 12:52 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 12:50 oneofthem wrote:
reagan was pretty rightwing. he might have turned protectionist though.

Yep. Painting Reagan as someone who wouldn't be a republican today is 100% liberal revisionist bullshit.


Doesn't mean he wouldn't tell these kids to sit down and shut up.
Never Knows Best.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4999 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-14 04:07:53
February 14 2016 04:05 GMT
#58431
I'm amazed that Rubio and Bush were the winners, lol.

Well maybe I'm not surprised by Rubio.

Edit again: At least to me, it seems that Trump is falling part more and more. But as the only debate before SC, will it matter?
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 14 2016 04:11 GMT
#58432
Jeb is definitely the candidate who has improved the most over the course of the campaign. He started off as the Pillsbury dough boy but now he can dish and take it.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24125 Posts
February 14 2016 06:28 GMT
#58433
On February 13 2016 07:50 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 07:44 Acrofales wrote:
On February 13 2016 07:34 KwarK wrote:
On February 13 2016 07:32 IgnE wrote:
On February 13 2016 07:26 KwarK wrote:
On February 13 2016 07:22 IgnE wrote:
I can tell the difference between the cheapest chicken at walmart and the cheapest chicken from whole foods cooked without any other ingredients, in the same way.

Your best argument would be that I can't tell the difference when that chicken is cubed and thrown into identical curries. But I think I'd still probably be better than chance. I would be happy to volunteer for any double blind study that wanted to test the difference.

You think you can tell the difference between Walmart and Whole Foods. Do the double blind study and repeat it a bunch of times and get back to us. Also use comparable chickens, whole refrigerated chicken breasts for both or whatever, not just cheapest from each. They cater to different markets, cheapest is no guarantee of comparability.

What about salt? Can you taste the difference between brand name salt from Whole Foods and regular cooking salt from Walmart?


You seem to think that I've been arguing that it's impossible to find nutritious food at walmart.

That was the argument you jumped into. If you don't want to be involved don't be involved.

What you now appear to be arguing is that you can tell the difference between two different products. Well done. Gold star.

My argument was always that an onion is pretty much an onion, a bunch of bananas is pretty much the same anywhere, that the poor are not priced out of nutritious produce. That shopping at Walmart does not automatically prevent you from having access to good food.


I can guarantee you that not all onions (or any fresh produce) are made equal.

If I go to the local hortifruti (a supermarket focused on fresh vegetables), most of the onions in the rack are fresh, and don't have mold hiding underneath the outer shell. If I go to the Carrefour (or *shudder* Dia), the onions are more often than not, rotten on the inside. Similarly, I can get fairly decent tomatoes at the hortifruti, but the ones in the cornerstore are mostly green or rotten. I thus have to pay particular attention and find nice fresh, ripe tomatoes and onions, and in the case of onions, can even then go wrong. Whereas at the hortifruti, I can just pick almost at random. I do pay a bit more, but am fairly sure my groceries are of a decent quality.

Now because yall live in 1st world countries, I´m sure the differences are less pronounced, but I don´t doubt that they are still there.

I've never found a rotten onion on display at any store in the UK or in the US. While I don't doubt your experience in Brazil I would argue that it's not that the difference is less pronounced, the minimum standard for all onions in stores is above the "not rotten" standard. Even in the cheapest stores in the US the produce that makes it there has already been screened for quality and appearance so that anything that isn't pretty enough is already discarded. It's a wasteful society.

Hell, it's actually quite difficult to get a rotten onion unless you completely forget about it. They last for months after you buy them.


So had to go to walmart for purchase and I remembered the conversation so I figured I'd take a look and see what I found.

It wasn't as bad as I remembered, sometimes they do have decent stuff, just not what you're looking for.

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Or you don't notice this until you go to eat it the next day and it's help spoil half the bag.

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And every once in a while (my first try) you find the elusive rotten onion for sale.

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Some days are better than others and that was a good day.

Turns out it's been a known issue since 2013
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10917 Posts
February 14 2016 08:37 GMT
#58434
oh wow, normally they throw away better looking stuff at shops...
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-14 11:33:25
February 14 2016 11:21 GMT
#58435
Wow Trump totally dominated that debate, he is now firmly the best bet the Republicans have of winning the general election. Planned parenthood, Bush and his WMD's/Iraq is what a lot of undecideds and shaky democrats what to hear. If after all this he still wins South Carolina its over for this election, Trump's got it in the bag.

The problem a lot of people have with the Republican party is that they won't admit Iraq was a mistake, its not like the hardcore Bush lovers are going to vote Sanders or Clinton over Trump in the general election, but Trump just made himself a whole lot more moderate, and with it more moderate votes. It's brilliant, the more the far right and the far left hate him the more the middle guys like him.

Meanwhile Jeb just kept doing that frustrated Jeb head shake. And whose idea was it to give seats in the crowd only to doners, maybe the guy that knows Trump doesn't take donations?

Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-14 14:31:32
February 14 2016 12:06 GMT
#58436
It is amazing how weak candidates the republicans always field. And I don't mean their positions. I mean how dominant they come across, how they can work an audience, how much confidence they radiate, how sensitive they are to political nuances.

Same 4 and 8 years ago. Come on, it was clear that McCain was becoming senile. Mitt Romney was kind of a real opponent.

It is amazing. Like how everyone with a bit of talent doesn't even want to become US president.


I don't live in the US anymore but if Bloomberg enters as an independent, he may have a real shot?
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
February 14 2016 12:19 GMT
#58437
I blame the divisive rhetoric they come out with on these campaigns on this whole primary process bullshit. They all have to pander to the ultra conservatives who are the ones who actually show up to vote in the primary but then they have to walk everything back to have any chance of winning the national election once they are the party nominee. Good luck reigning in the nutters though.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
February 14 2016 12:19 GMT
#58438
holy crap. trump actually went full ham on W. and the iraq war - breaking the spell on like a decade of republican (bullshit) talking points. and getting booed on stage. it's completely bizarre.

what a world we live in lol.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6289 Posts
February 14 2016 12:24 GMT
#58439
On February 14 2016 21:19 Kickstart wrote:
I blame the divisive rhetoric they come out with on these campaigns on this whole primary process bullshit. They all have to pander to the ultra conservatives who are the ones who actually show up to vote in the primary but then they have to walk everything back to have any chance of winning the national election once they are the party nominee. Good luck reigning in the nutters though.

Same with Democrats though I guess. With Hillary Clinton trying to look more progressive to battle Sanders.
Is there anywhere I can rewatch the debate?
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
February 14 2016 12:38 GMT
#58440


there you go
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
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