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KwarK
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BioNova
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On June 19 2013 01:54 KwarK wrote: God I hate that guy. Casually threatened to rape her based on her clothing at 1:20. That's a bit of a stretch. | ||
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Shiori
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On June 19 2013 01:54 KwarK wrote: God I hate that guy. Casually threatened to rape her based on her clothing at 1:20. Yes, because his tone wasn't indicative of his obvious sarcasm. | ||
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KwarK
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farvacola
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Shiori
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On June 19 2013 02:16 KwarK wrote: Joking about how her low cut dress will render him unable to control his instincts and he'll be unable to help himself. Good joke. He's really, really fucking creepy all the time. Must be a pretty good joke, considering tonnes of people worldwide find the guy funny... | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 19 2013 02:16 KwarK wrote: Joking about how her low cut dress will render him unable to control his instincts and he'll be unable to help himself. Good joke. He's really, really fucking creepy all the time. Bah, you can't look at his individual jokes in isolation. What he did on that set was masterful. Totally took it over by putting the hosts on their back feet. Very good performance that few can actually pull off. | ||
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KwarK
United States42971 Posts
On June 19 2013 02:20 xDaunt wrote: Bah, you can't look at his individual jokes in isolation. What he did on that set was masterful. Totally took it over by putting the hosts on their back feet. Very good performance that few can actually pull off. I'm sure he's good at his job. I didn't accuse him of actually raping anyone, he just constantly puts me on edge with the ringing of sexual predator alarm bells. If one morning there was a news story in the papers that he was behind a string of rapes I'd actually be less surprised than the default level of surprise I wake up with. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 19 2013 02:22 KwarK wrote: I'm sure he's good at his job. I didn't accuse him of actually raping anyone, he just constantly puts me on edge with the ringing of sexual predator alarm bells. If one morning there was a news story in the papers that he was behind a string of rapes I'd actually be less surprised than the default level of surprise I wake up with. Last I checked, properly functioning dudes tend to be like predators when looking to get laid. I understand that it's no longer PC for men to act like men, but I think that your criticism is taking it a little far. | ||
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KwarK
United States42971 Posts
On June 19 2013 02:38 xDaunt wrote: Last I checked, properly functioning dudes tend to be like predators when looking to get laid. I understand that it's no longer PC for men to act like men, but I think that your criticism is taking it a little far. Sure... just boys being boys.... | ||
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Shiori
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Your comments are eerily reminiscent of some feminists who purport to presume the "rape tendency" of men on the basis of absurd indicators like their proclivity to laugh at sexist jokes, | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 19 2013 02:42 Shiori wrote: Your comments are eerily reminiscent of some feminists who purport to presume the "rape tendency" of men on the basis of absurd indicators like their proclivity to laugh at sexist jokes, You're definitely right about the feminist thing. Kwark is someone who has repeatedly insisted that fetuses are parasitic when talking about abortion rights. You have to be pretty far down the militant feminist hole to bust out that kind of rhetoric. | ||
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mordek
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KwarK
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I am a properly functioning dude in a healthy relationship and I find your assertion that what he does is a man acting like a man pretty offensive. I am a man and I don't act like that because the way he acts is super, super fucking creepy. It's not something innate to men, we're better than that and if we can't be better than that then we might as well give up and off ourselves right now. Generalising the behaviour of the worst of our gender to all of our gender and then using it as an excuse is bullshit. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On June 19 2013 02:54 KwarK wrote: I am a feminist but I'm amazed you can't tell the difference between "I would like to have sex with you" which is inappropriate in an interview but otherwise fine and "your clothing makes me unaccountable for my actions because you have provoked my instincts to have sex with you" which is literally joking about raping her because she wore those clothes. It's fine for men, and women, to act like the first and it's not fine to do the second and given that the second is used constantly to excuse rapists and justify their behaviour I think that even if he isn't a rapist he probably shouldn't be joking about it. I am a properly functioning dude in a healthy relationship and I find your assertion that what he does is a man acting like a man pretty offensive. I am a man and I don't act like that because the way he acts is super, super fucking creepy. It's not something innate to men, we're better than that and if we can't be better than that then we might as well give up and off ourselves right now. Generalising the behaviour of the worst of our gender to all of our gender and then using it as an excuse is bullshit. You're a feminist? Don't take away my porno damn it!! | ||
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KwarK
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Shiori
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On June 19 2013 02:54 KwarK wrote: It's fine for men, and women, to act like the first and it's not fine to do the second and given that the second is used constantly to excuse rapists and justify their behaviour I think that even if he isn't a rapist he probably shouldn't be joking about it. Yeah this doesn't follow. I find rape jokes tasteless, for the record, but I don't condemn people for making them. The problem here is that the people who argue that rapists are driven by instincts are wrong. If a comedian jokes about it, it's still an incorrect statement, but it's a fucking joke! If we took everything comedians said at face value and as gospel truth, we'd be lunatics. The notion that people rape because of some subliminal encouragement from a "rape culture" is completely unfounded by any suitable body of evidence. While there are undoubtedly connections between culture and the incidence of rape, joking about rape no more damns the comedian than does joking about theft, the holocaust, racism, or anything else. Christ, look at the amount of anti-Muslim/anti-Jew/anti-Black jokes there are in common comedy! Just because they appropriate terrible stereotypes from the 50's doesn't mean that we should treat them as if they were arguing in favour of those stereotypes being held. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On June 19 2013 02:16 KwarK wrote: Joking about how her low cut dress will render him unable to control his instincts and he'll be unable to help himself. Good joke. He's really, really fucking creepy all the time. Whenever he says or does anything I get constant ringing "sexual predator" alarm bells and I'm not alone in that. Joking about rape doesn't suggest you are a sexual predator any more than joking about homicide suggests you are a murderer. Russell Brand is extremely sexually aggressive, but creep-shaming him because of that is essentially male slut-shaming. He is not unlike the male version of an extremely flirty woman. | ||
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Shiori
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KwarK
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On June 19 2013 02:59 Shiori wrote: Yeah this doesn't follow. I find rape jokes tasteless, for the record, but I don't condemn people for making them. The problem here is that the people who argue that rapists are driven by instincts are wrong. If a comedian jokes about it, it's still an incorrect statement, but it's a fucking joke! If we took everything comedians said at face value and as gospel truth, we'd be lunatics. The notion that people rape because of some subliminal encouragement from a "rape culture" is completely unfounded by any suitable body of evidence. While there are undoubtedly connections between culture and the incidence of rape, joking about rape no more damns the comedian than does joking about theft, the holocaust, racism, or anything else. Christ, look at the amount of anti-Muslim/anti-Jew/anti-Black jokes there are in common comedy! Just because they appropriate terrible stereotypes from the 50's doesn't mean that we should treat them as if they were arguing in favour of those stereotypes being held. The joke in the beastiality topic about how the horses were asking for it by what they wore was a rape joke that was perfectly fine because it was parodying the kind of stupid bullshit that rape apologists use by taking it to its logical conclusion. Saying "your clothes make me unable to control myself and not rape you" isn't really a joke unless the default position of everyone hearing it is "that's ridiculous" and for about half the population (men and women) it's "sounds legit". The joke is that he's being really forward and suggestive, not that it's creepy as fuck and that's the distinction. If everyone understood how incredibly creepy he was being then as a comedian could play on that expectation but this is absolutely not what he is doing. The joke wasn't "lol, he threatened to rape the interviewer". | ||
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