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On December 18 2014 02:18 Grettin wrote: Question for ya Americans, thoughts on these Cuba-US policy changes, if thats the right term? Opens up a ton of cheap scuba diving options. | ||
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xDaunt
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Mohdoo
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On December 18 2014 02:18 Grettin wrote: Question for ya Americans, thoughts on these Cuba-US policy changes, if thats the right term? Essentially, there are a lot of really salty Cubans living in Miami who hate Castro and have a really silly opposition to US-Cuba relations. As a result, someone trying to do this would likely lose Florida in the next election, as Cubans can be very angry when it comes to making fruitful decisions that involve Cuba. This whole issue has been ignored by both parties in fear of it hurting them down the line, so yay for Obama. | ||
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Falling
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On December 18 2014 02:40 Mohdoo wrote: Essentially, there are a lot of really salty Cubans living in Miami who hate Castro and have a really silly opposition to US-Cuba relations. As a result, someone trying to do this would likely lose Florida in the next election, as Cubans can be very angry when it comes to making fruitful decisions that involve Cuba. This whole issue has been ignored by both parties in fear of it hurting them down the line, so yay for Obama. As a new age Cuban, I find this post off. The salty Cubans are all the old Cuban people that either have passed away and/or are already in there late 70's - 80's. The newer set of Cubans gladly rejoice this news, my facebook feed alone is exploding on this issue and how happy everyone is. I feel like this is a minor win for democrats in the future. On December 18 2014 02:45 Falling wrote: Are there that many Cubans in Florida that they would dominate Florida's elections? Or are they just really noisy that they dominate the talking points? And, from my knowledge? Nah, we have too many shady politicians for such a sunny state. | ||
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Sub40APM
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On December 17 2014 22:45 xDaunt wrote: Please explain precisely which Obama policy has collapsed oil prices thereby crashing the Russian economy. We are talking about the same guy who wants higher energy prices to combat global warming and who tried to buddy up to Russia at the beginning of his term, right? We are also talking about the same guy who has done everything he can administratively to get in the way of American fracking. No, Putin is not sucking Obama's cock. He's sucking Saudi cock first, and American big oil cock second. The sanctions mean pretty much nothing compared to collapsing oil prices. The reality that Russian businesses had to payoff 70 billion in hard currency in the next few months and another 600 billion in the next 3 years without access to the capital markets. The pressure on Saudi to open the oil flood gates. Where do you think that came from? Obama. You are just salty he had the balls to do both while Bush just lectured like a weak kneed liberal. Russians pissed away a fourth of their reserves and this morning pissed away another unknown number just to try to beat the exchange down to 60. | ||
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Falling
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On December 18 2014 03:05 Chewbacca. wrote: Do we really gain much from normalizing relations with Cuba? Seems like Cuba would be the bigger winner in this exchange? Well that's true simply due to size of economy, of course it has a greater impact on Cuba then to the US. But if the reason for isolating Cuba is more or less over- the Cold War is over and Russia isn't trying to put missiles at America's backdoor, then why wouldn't you try to bring them into the American fold of influence? | ||
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Sub40APM
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On December 18 2014 03:05 Chewbacca. wrote: Do we really gain much from normalizing relations with Cuba? Seems like Cuba would be the bigger winner in this exchange? Not really. Cuba already had normalized relations with EU and Canada so the dirty tourist dollars were there, and they already would welcome Americans if they came across some other route.. The big losers will be redneck farmers selling sugar at overvalued prices to the US. The big winners will be people who consume sugar because cheaper Cuban sugar will be used. The Cuba embargo was just being petty -- American normalized relations with Vietnam ahead of them! | ||
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xDaunt
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On December 18 2014 02:59 Sub40APM wrote: The reality that Russian businesses had to payoff 70 billion in hard currency in the next few months and another 600 billion in the next 3 years without access to the capital markets. The pressure on Saudi to open the oil flood gates. Where do you think that came from? Obama. You are just salty he had the balls to do both while Bush just lectured like a weak kneed liberal. Russians pissed away a fourth of their reserves and this morning pissed away another unknown number just to try to beat the exchange down to 60. There's no evidence that Obama had anything to do with Saudi Arabia deciding collapse oil prices. The Saudis have all the reason in the world to collapse oil prices for an extended period of time so as to crush their economic and political competition, which includes Russia. And not once has Obama expressed a desire to lower energy prices for any reason -- much less for the specific purpose of kicking Russia in the balls. What domestic policy has he enacted to facilitate and aid domestic energy development? Yeah.... And let's not forget the general straining of relations between the US and traditional Mid East allies under Obama. Crediting Obama for Saudi oil policy, given the above, amounts to nothing more than conspiracy theory. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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That I believe women in Cuba has allowed women to drive for well, since the invention of the car. | ||
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Chewbacca.
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On December 18 2014 03:10 Falling wrote: Well that's true simply due to size of economy, of course it has a greater impact on Cuba then to the US. But if the reason for isolating Cuba is more or less over- the Cold War is over and Russia isn't trying to put missiles at America's backdoor, then why wouldn't you try to bring them into the American fold of influence? I suppose it would be good if we can bring them under our influence, but I have a hard time picturing Cuba bending to our wishes. | ||
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