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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 06 2018 04:57 Mohdoo wrote: Perhaps this is my not so normal upbringing speaking, but if I may take a few steps back: Let's say you have a family member who you agree with on basically nothing. It's just that their genetics are kinda similar to yours. An uncle or something. What is the value add of this individual? You see them at thanksgiving. They are your mom's brother. He lives across the country. Why in the world are people holding on to these meaningless people? The ways people approach "family" is really stupid. I firmly believe family is not determined by genetics. This sob story about "HOW CAN YOU JUST WRITE OFF YOUR UNCLE FOR SOMETHING AS MINOR AS CHEERING FOR GENOCIDE??", I ask myself what this bozo was doing to begin with. Who cares? Family is what you make of it. Your attitude on this point is lamentable, but given your previous posts on anything related to family matters, expected. I do not think you would be convinced by anything that could be said if the bolded is your attitude towards family members. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 06 2018 05:07 LegalLord wrote: Your attitude on this point is lamentable, but given your previous posts on anything related to family matters, expected. I do not think you would be convinced by anything that could be said if the bolded is your attitude towards family members. It is my attitude towards family members that don't have actually personal value. If your uncle is asking what you do for a living, the relationship doesn't matter. They may as well be a dude on a bus. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 06 2018 05:06 Logo wrote: There's also a weird assumption going on that your time spent with other people is limited by the # of people you know rather than time. It seems perfectly reasonable if someone has Racist Cousin Bob who wants to kill Muslims and 10 people always around who... well don't... then of course they're going to drop Cousin Bob and go hang out with people who are way less murder-y to be around. Apparently I need accept my super Catholic relative’s vocal opinion to living together before marriage is sin. Nothing like a good old fashion passive aggressive moral shaming around Thanksgiving. Highlight of the year. But its my fault if I let these politics get in the way of family. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 06 2018 05:11 Mohdoo wrote: It is my attitude towards family members that don't have actually personal value. If your uncle is asking what you do for a living, the relationship doesn't matter. They may as well be a dude on a bus. I suppose the simple answer is that some of us don't feel that way. Plenty of family members (or close friends) who I consider close who for one reason or another I haven't talked to in up to a decade - but it doesn't mean they don't matter. I guess if your attitude towards family is that "more distant uncles are expendable" then a "well fuck them anyways" attitude is more appropriate. Sounds like a pathetic way to live, though. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 06 2018 05:14 LegalLord wrote: I suppose the simple answer is that some of us don't feel that way. Plenty of family members (or close friends) who I consider close who for one reason or another I haven't talked to in up to a decade - but it doesn't mean they don't matter. I guess if your attitude towards family is that "more distant uncles are expendable" then a "well fuck them anyways" attitude is more appropriate. Sounds like a pathetic way to live, though. There's a distinction. Did I ever know this person? Are they my old best friend from high school who went to live in Thailand? That's different. But I am talking about family members who only have relevance because of genetics. Genetics is not sufficient to make a family member good. People who share genetics with you can be deeply awful people who cause you immense pain and suffering. As such, those people are not what I would call family. They don't get the label of "family" because of genetics. So, if genetics is insufficient for someone to be a member of my "family", meaning they must also have a good or at least existent relationship with you, then suddenly a lot of dumbasses on your facebook don't matter. I have no reason to care about my racist uncle that I have never even met any more than some random racist on a bus. They are both people who I have no meaningful connection with. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On March 06 2018 04:57 Mohdoo wrote: Perhaps this is my not so normal upbringing speaking, but if I may take a few steps back: Let's say you have a family member who you agree with on basically nothing. It's just that their genetics are kinda similar to yours. An uncle or something. What is the value add of this individual? You see them at thanksgiving. They are your mom's brother. He lives across the country. Why in the world are people holding on to these meaningless people? The ways people approach "family" is really stupid. I firmly believe family is not determined by genetics. This sob story about "HOW CAN YOU JUST WRITE OFF YOUR UNCLE FOR SOMETHING AS MINOR AS CHEERING FOR GENOCIDE??", I ask myself what this bozo was doing to begin with. Who cares? Family is what you make of it. I see LL already touched on what's eyebrow-raising here, so I'll be short.. I don't think recent discussions about how politics have ruined family relationships like with mom and brother is comparable to an uncle located across the country. It's almost like people feel guilty about letting politics corrupt the family bond, so suddenly they transfer near interpersonal relationships to distant relatives. If you can't keep politics and religion separate from the closeness of a family unit ... stick with the family instead of the country. You're probably just going to make things worse. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 06 2018 05:36 Danglars wrote: I see LL already touched on what's eyebrow-raising here, so I'll be short.. I don't think recent discussions about how politics have ruined family relationships like with mom and brother is comparable to an uncle located across the country. It's almost like people feel guilty about letting politics corrupt the family bond, so suddenly they transfer near interpersonal relationships to distant relatives. If you can't keep politics and religion separate from the closeness of a family unit ... stick with the family instead of the country. You're probably just going to make things worse. With "actual" family members, I strictly don't discuss political issues we disagree on. Abortion, GMOs and any "alternative medicine" stuff is strictly off limits for me and my mom. It just doesn't matter. Here views on GMOs simply don't matter to me. She won't be the reason the world is worse. I don't mind that her views are anti-science because she simply has no reach. If she has no reach, I have no incentive to change her mind. There are plenty of other things in the world to discuss. There is no shortage of topics. Discussing contentious political issues with "actual" family members is a horribly terrible idea. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3485 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 06 2018 05:50 LightSpectra wrote: "So what if they're literally advocating for you to be murdered? Don't be so divisive as to let politics ruin a good, healthy family relationship. If you just put away your opinions at Thanksgiving, it shouldn't be such a big deal that they are literally promoting your death." That's an extreme. I would cut ties for that. I am fortunate enough to have not been in that situation. If a family member wants me murdered, they are not family. The family bond is already destroyed by them wanting me dead. Family doesn't want family to die. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12615 Posts
On March 06 2018 05:50 LightSpectra wrote: "So what if they're literally advocating for you to be murdered? Don't be so divisive as to let politics ruin a good, healthy family relationship. If you just put away your opinions at Thanksgiving, it shouldn't be such a big deal that they are literally promoting your death." LL has made it clear that he doesn't believe that your brother is advocating your death. I don't share his, let's call it optimism, on the general extremism of Charlottesville supporters, so I don't see any reason to doubt you on that and I would question the merit of this assumption of his. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 06 2018 06:23 Saryph wrote: So I feel Sam Nunberg is doing a good job of making himself a household name atm. Just accused Page of colluding on CNN and challenged Mueller to come arrest him. Carter Page: whee look at me doing dumb things on TV Sam Nunberg: hold my beer | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 06 2018 06:27 Saryph wrote: I mean he just said he thinks Mueller has something on Trump from the campaign, that Trump Jr. Told his dad about the meeting with the Russians, that people in the campaign were colluding. Is he high? Surely his lawyer has quit since he went on tv. He is an idiot and doesn’t understand what is happening? Trump employs some real morons who have literally no idea how serious this stuff is. A lot of them could go to jail for a very long time. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 06 2018 06:35 Plansix wrote: He is an idiot and doesn’t understand what is happening? Trump employs some real morons who have literally no idea how serious this stuff is. A lot of them could go to jail for a very long time. Either Nunberg is incredibly stupid or is incredibly fucked and really wants a plea deal. It might be both. | ||
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