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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 26 2012 18:32 GMT
#41
There's definitly a problem to adress here.
A company who want to be the face of starcraft buisness has to be exempt of any problem like this one.

Nice photo by the way. :o
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
February 26 2012 18:32 GMT
#42
You gotta wonder though, if they used this photo without permission and without the proper license, how many others they used as well without permission. Only reason this was caught was because the photographer himself noticed it. Not really surprising they did this though. Just hypocritical when they want to be paid for their product but have no problem taking someone else's for free.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
February 26 2012 18:32 GMT
#43
all i hear is "i love money"
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
viOLetFanClub
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)390 Posts
February 26 2012 18:32 GMT
#44
On February 27 2012 03:31 yarkO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 03:30 k1mjee wrote:
On February 27 2012 03:28 yarkO wrote:
On February 27 2012 03:26 k1mjee wrote:
Oh get over yourself, it's a fucking picture. For all that MLG has done for e-sports including help TeamLiquid as well as every single one of you people with entertainment with their events, this isn't the end of the world for you and it won't destroy your photography career and/or hobby.

What do you want to do? Sue MLG for $100,000 because they don't have written consent from you? Oh, please. Someone just get Lee on here or something and give this guy a free Gold Membership or something so he calms down. This happens in e-sports every minute of every day with articles, news posts, and everything else that goes on in the scene.


Ah yeah man let's just allow major corporations to rip off whoever they want because they 'help the community'.

It's nice when we can choose when the law is applicable


Oh buzz off, you're just another one of the sheeple of TL. TeamLiquid is e-sports, everyone else can fuck off, etc. etc. isn't that how you forum-goers that hate MLG work?



I actually support MLG and bought a ticket to the Winter Arena. I also tend to disagree with most TL 'sheeple'. You're just being deliberately ignorant about this and I strongly suspect you are 15 or 16 and live with that stupid sense of entitlement that the internet has 'blessed' on the next generation.


8 years old, actually. I invented e-sports as well as Runescape. Jog on, now. <3


User was warned for this post
minilance
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 18:37:37
February 26 2012 18:32 GMT
#45
Bisu, Jangbang <3
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 18:34:08
February 26 2012 18:32 GMT
#46
On February 27 2012 03:27 VTArlock wrote:
I'm assuming you asked Sheth for his permission to take the picture?

Seriously dude? Do photographers go to Iraq and ask soldiers on both sides permission to take their photos and post on the News? When I walk on the street and taking photos of ppl on the road, do I have to ask the Government for that?
Akio00
Profile Joined January 2011
United States98 Posts
February 26 2012 18:33 GMT
#47
On February 27 2012 03:25 Korlinni wrote:
They could just as easily say you took this picture at their venue that they allowed you to be in. So any photos that you take, they have equal access to to use. If they didn't let you in their venue, you would have never taken the picture.

(2) Evidence.—For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to
establish willful infringement of a copyright.

(3) Definition.—In this subsection, the term “work being prepared for
commercial distribution” means—
(A) a computer program, a musical work, a motion picture or other
audiovisual work, or a sound recording, if, at the time of unauthorized
distribution—
(i) the copyright owner has a reasonable expectation of commercial distribution; and
(ii) the copies or phonorecords of the work have not been commercially distributed

Still bad practice.



This pretty much sums up what any competent lawyer will tell you. You are correct they should have asked you. No, you're not going to win a court case. If you really hoped to get anything out of this, you would have been much better off not making it public.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
February 26 2012 18:33 GMT
#48
Contact them, this is a matter of principle. A small thing, a big thing, they aren't supposed to draw their own lines. Send them an angry email and ask what they are going to do about it.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
djukger
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany68 Posts
February 26 2012 18:33 GMT
#49
in germany we have a law whereby you cant take photographs of single persons without their permission, you have to have to have more than 5 ppl on the photo, i think.

btw did you ask the pros that you can commercialize your photos of them?
MLG could probably just have asked you, but see is this way, probably some graphix guy just took the photo and didnt think about it because liquidpedia is basicly open source for SC2 :D
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
February 26 2012 18:33 GMT
#50
On February 27 2012 03:32 minilance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 03:27 VTArlock wrote:
I'm assuming you asked Sheth for his permission to take the picture?


sums it up hahahaha


Not at all. Know your laws before being ignorant. This was already addressed on the very last page.
secret - never again
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
February 26 2012 18:33 GMT
#51
On February 27 2012 03:32 minilance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 03:27 VTArlock wrote:
I'm assuming you asked Sheth for his permission to take the picture?


sums it up hahahaha


Sums up what? That both of you are not very intelligent? Maybe!
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 18:36:08
February 26 2012 18:34 GMT
#52
Meh, mistakes happen. MLG is run by people and those people make mistakes. Did you bother to contact MLG or just come straight to the forums?

Edit: Perhaps MLG talked to TL to use photo's on the site and TL said yes. It's all TL's fault! =)
viOLetFanClub
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)390 Posts
February 26 2012 18:34 GMT
#53
On February 27 2012 03:32 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 03:27 VTArlock wrote:
I'm assuming you asked Sheth for his permission to take the picture?

Seriously dude? Do photographers go to Iraq and ask soldiers on both sides permission to take their photos and post on the News?

A few of them do, yes. What's your point? Were you expecting someone to say no, or were you asking a rhetorical question that backfired on you?
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 26 2012 18:34 GMT
#54
btw reading the thread, so many people freaking out over it, i'd bet most of those posters are heavily anti-SOPA/PIPA/ACTA otherwise but feel the need to shit on MLG now.+ Show Spoiler +
And for the record, i'm not a big MLG fan, i didnt pay now or in the past to watch it
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
February 26 2012 18:34 GMT
#55
On February 27 2012 03:19 itsjustatank wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't normally browse Reddit, but when I do I don't expect to see a major North American ESPORTS tournament organization blatantly infringing my copyright.

In August of last year, I went to MLG Anaheim and I brought my camera along. I had lots of fun and learned how to use that camera while discovering a passion for taking photographs of progamers and fans of ESPORTS, something that has really made me feel a part of the community. I've gone on to cover a number of other events and always brought my coverage of said events here to Team Liquid. You can find that in the blogs that I have composed over the past few months.

Now, among the photos I took that MLG Anaheim weekend was this one of Sheth:

[image loading]

What a handsome nerd baller.
Notice in the link, copyright status is "All Rights Reserved."


Imagine my horror when I browse Reddit /r/starcraft and I click on an innocuous looking thread title, "Good or Evil?," and see this:

[image loading]


That is clearly my photograph, reversed, and used without permission on an MLG pay-per-view broadcast.

How did this happen? I have a theory. In the past, one ESPORTS organization, Liquipedia, asked me for PERMISSION to use that photograph on Sheth's Liquipedia page.


--- Log opened Sun Feb 12 18:33:16 2012
18:33 -!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Koorb
18:33 <Koorb> Hi there itsjustatank are you here?
20:23 <justatank|bnc> yes
20:23 <itsjustatank> whats up
20:24 <Koorb> Hi there! I was looking for a good picture depicting Sheth,
and I found this one, which if I'm correct is yours:
wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/File:Sheth_at_MLG_Anaheim.jpg
20:25 <itsjustatank> yeah
20:25 <Koorb> And I wondered if you were confortable with me uploading it on the wiki?
20:25 <itsjustatank> yeah, that rezie looks weird though
20:25 <itsjustatank> resize*
20:25 <itsjustatank> did you keep the aspect ratio
20:26 <Koorb> I just cropped the upper side,
maybe your browser need to refresh the page without the cache?
20:27 <itsjustatank> oh that's why
20:28 <itsjustatank> well id kinda prefer the uncropped version but that's just taste
20:41 <itsjustatank> dl.dropbox.com/u/12650804/pics/IMGP1160.jpg
20:42 <itsjustatank> this is at 1000px longest side
20:42 <itsjustatank> how big do you need it
20:42 <itsjustatank> or small
20:42 <Koorb> I'd say, around 400px wide
20:43 <itsjustatank> ok
20:43 <itsjustatank> dl.dropbox.com/u/12650804/pics/IMGP1160.jpg
20:43 <itsjustatank> there it ids
20:43 <itsjustatank> is*
20:43 <Koorb> Looks great, thanks a lot!
20:44 <itsjustatank> no problem


My theory is that MLG just looked up Sheth on Liquipedia, found my photograph adorning it, clicked it, ignored this...

[image loading]


... downloaded the photo, put it through Photoshop to reverse and resize it, and aired it.

MLG, if you can charge the ESPORTS community $20 dollars to view a pay-per-view stream with no free option, you can certainly pay an employee to ask me for permission to use my photographs. Because it was to be used on a pay-per-view basis, and because you are obviously a for-profit enterprise, we would have worked out an acceptable licensing fee or you would have chosen perhaps not to use my photograph after all.

The fact is, however, that you didn't go through the proper legal and ethical channels in putting on production for MLG Winter Arena. I couldn't afford to buy your product this weekend because I've been out of work for a while now, so I wasn't able to see whether or not you pirated any other of my photographs; I can only rely on screencaps from Reddit, I guess.




So i assume you approached sheth and asked him if you could take his image, including a signed contract which gives you full rights to it?

I also assume that you took the proper steps to secure your rights to this picture?

In that case go ahead and complain to MLG or sue them if you feel that it is warranted. If you did not, then maybe you should actually do some research before you slander someone (that is in regards to your thread title, if you did not copyright the picture with all rights reserved before you uploaded it to the internet you actually gave up your rights, therefor no copyright violation can by definition occur).

MLG basically took photos which were public on the internet for these profiles, pictures on wikipedia are almost always free to use, maybe you should have considered that.
Shameless
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands349 Posts
February 26 2012 18:34 GMT
#56
MLG fanboys are blind for a simple thing called principles, love this community...
Liquid'HuK "That's Halo, don't worry"
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 18:35:37
February 26 2012 18:34 GMT
#57
On February 27 2012 03:31 dafunk wrote:
Why not just send them an email and try to talk to them directly.

Making a thread about it and get this public with all the drama involved is not very smart.


the drama mostly hurts MLG, not him. it would have been 'nicer' and maybe more respectable if he had contacted MLG first, but he's not really obligated to do it.

it does sound like the OP was more from kneejerk rage than a calculated attack, though, but I'm not sure how much I care.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
February 26 2012 18:35 GMT
#58
Running to a public forum is about the worst way to handle this situation.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
Regstata
Profile Joined October 2010
United States207 Posts
February 26 2012 18:35 GMT
#59
MLG: "Let's flip the photo around, no one will ever notice."

I would ask MLG to take the photo down and request something in return. The least they could do is give you a pass to this and a future event. Maybe they could issue some apology with a link to your photography website. It's pretty damn sleazy for MLG to take your picture like that
mineraahhhllllllsss
Akio00
Profile Joined January 2011
United States98 Posts
February 26 2012 18:35 GMT
#60
On February 27 2012 03:34 renlynn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 03:31 dafunk wrote:
Why not just send them an email and try to talk to them directly.

Making a thread about it and get this public with all the drama involved is not very smart.


the drama mostly hurts MLG, not him. it would have been 'nicer' and maybe more respectable if he had contacted MLG first, but he's not really obligated to do it.



I sincerely doubt this will hurt MLG at all.
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