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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 01 2014 02:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: we don't even see all Chinese top-dogs diving into League Who's missing? Can't think of any important Chinese clubs that don't have LPL or LSPL teams. And yes I agree that despite Riot's efforts eSports just remains very top heavy. Even in Korea nobody gives a damn about you until you win, and they've got like the deepest eSports scene in existence. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Also a few games with Overpow. Hm.... | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 01 2014 02:36 Fusilero wrote: Hey mouz had a really good thing going with thorzain/mana/hasuobs/morrow squad but that fell apart sadly. Titan maybe, I don't quite get titan seeing as they are split between a SEA dota squad and EU CS:GO team but maybe there's something there if they want it. One problem with getting into league is that it's really top heavy no matter how much riot loves "muh sustainability", like sure you can make LCS but unless you're near the top or a big brand no one gives a fuck, if copenhagen wolves or millenium just dropped out of LCS very few would care. Makes me wonder how much ROI there is in Dota. There's a ton of online cups and a few big lan events so even if your team gets knocked out in a few of them there's always more around the corner but do these events give good ROI? Someone mentioned ZG saying League doesn't have much ROI, does that mean he spoke about dota as well? On October 01 2014 03:08 Redox wrote: Btw just noticed CW Woolite is duoing with ROC Vander all the time. :D Also a few games with Overpow. Hm.... Do the ROC players speak English well enough to look for replacements outside of Poland? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 01 2014 03:17 Numy wrote: Do the ROC players speak English well enough to look for replacements outside of Poland? Idk they might. Probably prefer Polish tho. But if you refer to Woolite, he is Polish. He would be exactly what they are missing. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
ps. It seems like no one in the league community realizes that this MYM isn't the same as the glory days of MYM. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Didn't the guy that owned Wicked buy the Brand and try to get teams going. I remember he stayed over at my cousins place for awhile a few years back. Think he had some Arab backer at the time who stopped funding then the team disappeared. Know they picked up the poles as well for some time. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
New hip and fresh rumour, rank 23 on Korean soloQ joins SKT. He apparently plays every role | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 01 2014 03:33 AlterKot wrote: Didn't MyM sponsor Golden 5 at some point, and more recently a squad formed by the guys kicked from G5? Golden Five never played as MYM. Loord played there though, until April 1st this year or something, after he and Kuben got kicked for snax and Byali. On October 01 2014 02:55 UmberBane wrote: Who's missing? Can't think of any important Chinese clubs that don't have LPL or LSPL teams. And yes I agree that despite Riot's efforts eSports just remains very top heavy. Even in Korea nobody gives a damn about you until you win, and they've got like the deepest eSports scene in existence. NewBee never had LoL team, and considering that their owner is basically billionaire, that's pretty meh if we're speaking about possible moneys in game. And you would have thought that DK after dissolving their star roster would have give real shot to League instead of being mediocre in LSPL. But seriously, from all DotA top dogs in China, only iG achieved something and LGD are pretty okay now. Neither DK, VG, NewBee, TongFu, former Nirvana and so on gave LoL real shot. On October 01 2014 03:45 UmberBane wrote: As we know, Dota is the most top heavy game in eSports atm, so definitely not much ROI if you're not a top team, similar to League. Granted the LCS gives League some degree of consistency, since you can tell your sponsors you'll have 100k+ (EU) or 200k+ (NA) eyes on you every week, which in online cups in dota only happens for the later rounds or Finals. To draw a comparison: In BW, ProLeague was what gave sponsors of lesser teams an incentive to stay around, because they knew that no matter how badly they did, they regularly got a minimum amount of exposure guaranteed which they could calculate in. If there had been only OSL/MSL, it would have been much less stable and way more top heavy, because you'd only get good exposure if players of your team made it deep. Kind of how the WoL scene worked in a sense. Even if you're mediocre team in DotA scene with, let's say, ability to be even top-8 in EU, you will make way more than League teams outside of LCS/Challenger Scene top dogs and if you're top-5/6, you will make way more than LCS teams. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 01 2014 03:17 Numy wrote: Makes me wonder how much ROI there is in Dota. There's a ton of online cups and a few big lan events so even if your team gets knocked out in a few of them there's always more around the corner but do these events give good ROI? Someone mentioned ZG saying League doesn't have much ROI, does that mean he spoke about dota as well? As we know, Dota is the most top heavy game in eSports atm, so definitely not much ROI if you're not a top team, similar to League. Granted the LCS gives League some degree of consistency, since you can tell your sponsors you'll have 100k+ (EU) or 200k+ (NA) eyes on you every week, which in online cups in dota only happens for the later rounds or Finals. To draw a comparison: In BW, ProLeague was what gave sponsors of lesser teams an incentive to stay around, because they knew that no matter how badly they did, they regularly got a minimum amount of exposure guaranteed which they could calculate in. If there had been only OSL/MSL, it would have been much less stable and way more top heavy, because you'd only get good exposure if players of your team made it deep. Kind of how the WoL scene worked in a sense. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 01 2014 03:41 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Golden Five never played as MYM. Loord played there though, until April 1st this year or something, after he and Kuben got kicked for snax and Byali. NewBee never had LoL team, and considering that their owner is basically billionaire, that's pretty meh if we're speaking about possible moneys in game. And you would have thought that DK after dissolving their star roster would have give real shot to League instead of being mediocre in LSPL. But seriously, from all Dota top dogs in China, only iG achieved something and LGD are pretty okay now. Neither DK, VG, NewBee, TongFu, former Nirvana and so on gave LoL real shot. Haha ok you mean Dota2 top dogs, sorry, thought you meant Chinese eSports top dogs. How can you say Vici doesn't give League a shot when they're boasting 3 LoL squads at once? How can you just leave out WE (I hope you won't tell me they didn't give League a shot  ) or E-Home who won IEM? iG have two pretty decents squads and their main roster was really good at one point, and NewBee isn't really an old established club with any prestige. No reason for them to randomly try and get a League team. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 01 2014 03:33 Fusilero wrote: https://twitter.com/insideKLoL/status/517018730715701248 New hip and fresh rumour, rank 23 on Korean soloQ joins SKT. He apparently plays every role I hope his pro handle becomes "rank23." | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 01 2014 03:51 UmberBane wrote: Haha ok you mean Dota2 top dogs, sorry, thought you meant Chinese eSports top dogs. How can you say Vici doesn't give League a shot when they're boasting 3 LoL squads at once? How can you just leave out WE (I hope you won't tell me they didn't give League a shot ) or E-Home who won IEM? iG have two pretty decents squads and their main roster was really good at one point, and NewBee isn't really an old established club with any prestige. No reason for them to randomly try and get a League team.VG never were even close to be top-dog in League, having 2 squads in LSPL is good and everything but meh. EHOME never won IEM though, they only were 4th afaik when CLG lost to WE in finals but it was in 2012 so i could forget something. WE never were successful in DotA on the other hand, they had their success in WC3 and their League team but in DotA, like, WE's DotA 2 peak is basically losing 0-3 to Synderen's mouz at TI2 which proceeded to be 3-11 and losing in first round of loser bracket iirc, that's pretty sad. And they never had success in original DotA either. Their only achievement is basically opening Sylar's talent to the world, props. By giving a shot i mean really giving a shot, not being "uh, we have teams, so we're good boys". | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
I don't know why Vici acquires 3 teams if they didn't have any desire to do well at some point either. I doubt the ROI is that amazing in LSPL. tl;dr you should have said dota top dogs instead of eSports top dogs. There can be a big difference between the two. You can be both, but being one of them alone doesn't mean you're the other one aswell. | ||
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