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Fatal exploitable flaw in sc2 matchmaking system

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Ravencruiser
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada519 Posts
August 08 2011 17:57 GMT
#1
After season 1 and 2's struggle to move up the Master league (topped out at mid-low masters both seasons with T, and at top diamond with P and Z), I didn't have too much luck in season 3 either with my first few games after getting placed in diamond, being rusty and all especially with my Z and P.

Perhaps it was the frustration, but I decided to lose (join then quit immediately while in windowed mode on 2nd monitor) about ~20 games to have my MMR drop low enough to face low platinum players. Needless to say, I went on something like a 15-20 game win streak, in which I started to lose again to diamond players. So, all I have to do is lose another 15 games, get dropped back into plat, and win all my games again.

Since I'm not trying to be a progamer or anything, I play this game for fun. And no, I don't have fun at all while losing, even considering the "but you get better when you lose and think about how you lost..." argument. So the only regret I have is not doing this sooner in season 1 and 2, I mean, being top diamond means that I'm capable of executing most builds and deflecting most cheese, so there is absolutely no motivation for me to get any better than I am currently.

To recap:

Causes/reasons:

1. I have zero motivation to get better than top diamond because I can execute most builds decently and scout/deflect most cheese found in lower leagues.

2. I play this game for fun, not for getting better or sense of self-accomplishment.

3. I hate losing, and I love winning.


Result:

Currently demoted to gold league, but facing top platinum players, when I start losing against mid-top diamond players, I'll quit ~15-20 games in a row to drop my MMR back to low plat again so I can keep having fun.


Conclusion:

The matchmaking system is great, but nevertheless quite flawed and exploitable by players like me.


P.S. Blizzard policy forbids what I do, but honestly there's no way they can detect/stop me for what I do. I mean, they could technically implement a detection algorithm where a player losing ~15 games in under 0:02 seconds in a row would result in warnings/bans, but if it gets to that point I'd just win 1-5 games, then quit another 1-5 games so my MMR would still stay far below my skill level and enable me to win 99% of the games that I do play and thus avoid the detection algorithm.
"Yah, free will is a bitch" - Drone
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
August 08 2011 17:59 GMT
#2
So its exploitable by babies who are too bad to get good at the game, and instead drop their ranking to bash on noobs?

I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

You should probably grow the fuck up and play a different game. Like just reading what you wrote makes me want to kill a fucking baby that someones so ignorant.

Fatal exploitable flaw = Crybaby who tries to feel good about himself by bashing on gold and lower league players.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 08 2011 18:01 GMT
#3
Here's how you exploit the system and become careless about your score.

1. Drop down to bronze.
2. Go back to Master's.

It takes about 140 losses to get to Bronze, but it takes about 320 wins to get back to Masters depending how far in the season you are (winning takes longer than losing, so getting back is harder).

Your ratio is now above 50% and losing several games actually no longer really has that much of an effect.

The downside? People will hate you for "farming" wins.

So essentially, yeah, it's what you are doing, just more long-term.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
August 08 2011 18:01 GMT
#4
"Whenever people start beating me, I drop games until I'm back in gold then I can win and truly enjoy the game"

That's what I read, did anyone else get something more sane?
Ravencruiser
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada519 Posts
August 08 2011 18:02 GMT
#5
On August 09 2011 02:59 arb wrote:
So its exploitable by babies who are too bad to get good at the game, and instead drop their ranking to bash on noobs?

I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

You should probably grow the fuck up and play a different game. Like just reading what you wrote makes me want to kill a fucking baby that someones so ignorant.

Fatal exploitable flaw = Crybaby who tries to feel good about himself by bashing on gold and lower league players.


Of course I expect replies like yours, but you're way off.

Read again that I play the game for fun, not for getting better, feeling good about myself, or for sense of self-accomplishment.

Why would I play a different game? SC2 is great for relaxing 1-2 hours 3-4 times a week, and I enjoy winning and having this past time for fun thank you very much.
"Yah, free will is a bitch" - Drone
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 18:03:41
August 08 2011 18:03 GMT
#6
You just said you play the game for fun and not for a sense of self-accomplishment. Why the emphasis on winning?

You couldn't be any more self-contradictory.
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Swad1000
Profile Joined January 2011
United States366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 18:09:32
August 08 2011 18:04 GMT
#7
On August 09 2011 03:03 Loser777 wrote:
You just said you play the game for fun and not for a sense of self-accomplishment. Why the emphasis on winning?

You couldn't be any more self-contradictory.


Low self esteem because losing is to scary for someone who has never challenged themselves at anything.

This is like a high school kid not able to play on varsity and going to go beat up on the 7 year olds in the park.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 18:06:33
August 08 2011 18:04 GMT
#8
Thread renamed.

I'm trying to imagine a matchmaking system that would beat someone purposefully taking a dive to play worse players. BW Ladder - no. ELO - no. MMR - no. What do you expect?
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
August 08 2011 18:04 GMT
#9
On August 09 2011 03:02 Ravencruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 02:59 arb wrote:
So its exploitable by babies who are too bad to get good at the game, and instead drop their ranking to bash on noobs?

I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

You should probably grow the fuck up and play a different game. Like just reading what you wrote makes me want to kill a fucking baby that someones so ignorant.

Fatal exploitable flaw = Crybaby who tries to feel good about himself by bashing on gold and lower league players.


Of course I expect replies like yours, but you're way off.

Read again that I play the game for fun, not for getting better, feeling good about myself, or for sense of self-accomplishment.

Why would I play a different game? SC2 is great for relaxing 1-2 hours 3-4 times a week, and I enjoy winning and having this past time for fun thank you very much.

On August 09 2011 03:03 Loser777 wrote:
You just said you play the game for fun and not for a sense of self-accomplishment. Why the emphasis on winning?

You couldn't be any more self-contradictory.

I think this sums it up quite nicely
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 08 2011 18:06 GMT
#10
Suiting name.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
SageFantasma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States383 Posts
August 08 2011 18:06 GMT
#11
On August 09 2011 03:01 Offhand wrote:
"Whenever people start beating me, I drop games until I'm back in gold then I can win and truly enjoy the game"

That's what I read, did anyone else get something more sane?

Nope, that appears to be the gist of this blog. T_T;

This is indeed an exploit, but... Really? You hate losing so much that you refuse to improve as a player and would rather get wins that mean absolutely nothing to you? You don't even seem to have the drive that most people do for using this exploit: portraits. O_o

I guess to each his own, but... I guess I really just don't get it. In my opinion, if you don't enjoy playing a game the way it was meant to be played, please just go play a different game instead of ruining it for others.
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
August 08 2011 18:07 GMT
#12
On August 09 2011 03:04 Chill wrote:
Thread renamed.



LOL - love the new title Chill.


@op - grow up, if you absolutely have to win then play a different game
RIP MBC Game Hero
Ravencruiser
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada519 Posts
August 08 2011 18:07 GMT
#13
On August 09 2011 03:03 Loser777 wrote:
You just said you play the game for fun and not for a sense of self-accomplishment. Why the emphasis on winning?

You couldn't be any more self-contradictory.


In the process of quitting ~20 games again, so I'll babysit my thread.

I have fun while winning, aka I enjoy crushing noobs, no let me rephrase, people who are more noob than me with fun and non-standard builds. Obviously it's not for sense of self-accomplishment, because self-accomplishment would equal getting rank #1 in the GM league.

I don't know how to be more clear than that.
"Yah, free will is a bitch" - Drone
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
August 08 2011 18:07 GMT
#14
On August 09 2011 03:02 Ravencruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 02:59 arb wrote:
So its exploitable by babies who are too bad to get good at the game, and instead drop their ranking to bash on noobs?

I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

You should probably grow the fuck up and play a different game. Like just reading what you wrote makes me want to kill a fucking baby that someones so ignorant.

Fatal exploitable flaw = Crybaby who tries to feel good about himself by bashing on gold and lower league players.


Of course I expect replies like yours, but you're way off.

Read again that I play the game for fun, not for getting better, feeling good about myself, or for sense of self-accomplishment.

Why would I play a different game? SC2 is great for relaxing 1-2 hours 3-4 times a week, and I enjoy winning and having this past time for fun thank you very much.


What is wrong with you mang...

Play the ladder like its meant to be played. You talk about bnet being easily "exploited" and that's exactly what you are doing. I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make. Is this a brag post?

If you want an easy game just queue custom games. People do w.e there.
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 08 2011 18:07 GMT
#15
I don't practice MMA to get better or feel good about myself; I do it to have fun,

That's why I go into elementary skills and start kicking 4th graders in the face.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Gnabgib
Profile Joined July 2009
United States381 Posts
August 08 2011 18:07 GMT
#16
On August 09 2011 02:57 Ravencruiser wrote:
2. I play this game for fun, not for getting better or sense of self-accomplishment.

3. I hate losing, and I love winning.


These two statements contradict. If you love winning, you want a sense of self-accomplishment.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
August 08 2011 18:07 GMT
#17
Thank god the title reflects my post.

Nothing more than a fucking crybaby
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
aphorism
Profile Joined February 2011
United States226 Posts
August 08 2011 18:07 GMT
#18
On August 09 2011 03:02 Ravencruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 02:59 arb wrote:
So its exploitable by babies who are too bad to get good at the game, and instead drop their ranking to bash on noobs?

I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

You should probably grow the fuck up and play a different game. Like just reading what you wrote makes me want to kill a fucking baby that someones so ignorant.

Fatal exploitable flaw = Crybaby who tries to feel good about himself by bashing on gold and lower league players.


Of course I expect replies like yours, but you're way off.

Read again that I play the game for fun, not for getting better, feeling good about myself, or for sense of self-accomplishment.

Why would I play a different game? SC2 is great for relaxing 1-2 hours 3-4 times a week, and I enjoy winning and having this past time for fun thank you very much.


Yes, you play the game for fun, but so do the people you play against, and having to play against someone who is leagues above you in skill or having your opponent leave the game the instant the game starts is not fun. You may be having fun crushing people in plat, but they are most definitely not.

Believe it or not, there are ways to have fun in SC2 without being an ass to others, and it shouldn't be necessary for you to win to have fun. If you want to have fun, then do fun strategies (ghost/nuke rush, mass ravens, funday monday type stuff), don't tank your mmr so you can ruin the laddering experience of other people. >_>
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
August 08 2011 18:08 GMT
#19
New fatal exploit: When I get top 8 platinum I just buy a new account.
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Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
August 08 2011 18:08 GMT
#20
"I don't like losing because I don't enjoy it, but I'm happy to force that experience on Gold's who stand no chance against me".

Got it.
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