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Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
December 13 2010 05:02 GMT
#1
First off I would like to say that I don't absolutely think that this will happen or that this is true and that Rain will soon become the best player in the world. However I decided write a couple of similarities because they were kind of glaring and interesting, plus if Rain actually were to become the "best" player in the world that would blow my mind.

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So to start I'll point out the major similarity that I saw:

(Wiki)Flash cheesed the "best" protoss played in the world, Bisu, out in the quarterfinals of the OSL (equivalent of course to the GSL in SC2)

(Wiki)Rain cheesed the "best (arguable with Fruitdealer)" zerg player in the world, NesTea, out in the quarterfinals of the GSL.

Both were then bombarded by hateful fans about being bad cheesy players, and Flash being called "Cheddar Terran" etc. etc.

Now for some more obvious things:

They of course both play Terran.

NesTea interestingly enough was a coach of KT Rolster (Flash's team).

Flash was one of the youngest players in Brood War to be as successful as he was, and this is sort equal to Rain being the first GSL Finalist to not have played professionally in Brood War, even though he isn't that young.

One more abstract thing is that, (Wiki)KT Rolster was the "best" (and I have been putting 'best' in parentheses because it is just an opinion that isn't necessarily mine) team in the world before Flash joined, having YellOw, Reach, Nal_rA, and others, and TSL was considered the best or one of the best teams in GSL Season 1 before Rain joined (or maybe he was in the team at this time, but he just wasn't in the GSL until season 2 when (Wiki)TSL was murdered).


These are just a few of the scary similarities of Flash and Rain, and of course someone could find hundreds of similarities between any player if they dug deep enough, I just thought these were obvious enough to be relevant. Once again don't think that this is some sort of prophecy that RAIN WILL BECOME THE NEXT FLASH that you should believe in, just keep it in the back of your mind.
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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
December 13 2010 05:04 GMT
#2
I LB against him due to the way he played with FD and it was trash,i am also extremely surprised he won Hongun later.I doubt Rain will win against Iron,not even a ghost chance.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
December 13 2010 05:07 GMT
#3
I would be very, very surprised if Rain became as good as Flash.
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I guess we'll find out in the finals
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
December 13 2010 05:07 GMT
#4
The biggest difference is that Flash could beat rain with his left pinky on his first time playing the game.
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
December 13 2010 05:07 GMT
#5
Rain seems subpar to me. Guy who has decent fundamentals, but will run into problems when he cant take cheese games off other players. Ive watched most of his GSL stuff, and aside form the Nestea, his general game sense was average I would say. Although he does manage to pull out alot of wins so maybe im being to hard on him...

But the next flash? I seriously, seriously doubt it.
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HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 13 2010 05:09 GMT
#6
Flash is sexier.
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
December 13 2010 05:10 GMT
#7
It's true Flash used to be seen as nothing more than a cheesy kid who knocked out good players with luck.

It's also true that there are a lot of cheesy players who end up sucking massively in the long run.

Rain could be either, his career is still young.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
December 13 2010 05:10 GMT
#8
Flash's mechanics are just so strong. Rain lost every macro game he played.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 13 2010 05:11 GMT
#9
lol
shut up
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eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
December 13 2010 05:11 GMT
#10
On December 13 2010 14:10 Dfgj wrote:
It's true Flash used to be seen as nothing more than a cheesy kid who knocked out good players with luck.

It's also true that there are a lot of cheesy players who end up sucking massively in the long run.

Rain could be either, his career is still young.


agreed. we could just as well say Davit is the next Flash.
Rain needs to actually win multiple GSLs to get the honor.
lol12tree
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada88 Posts
December 13 2010 05:12 GMT
#11
On December 13 2010 14:09 HollowLord wrote:
Flash is sexier.

gota admit the TSL jacket makes up for that.
UltraVires
Profile Joined April 2010
United States241 Posts
December 13 2010 05:12 GMT
#12
On December 13 2010 14:11 IdrA wrote:
lol
shut up

lolll I feel like this thread was calculated to provoke responses like this. Success, OP!
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
December 13 2010 05:12 GMT
#13
kt didn't win a proleague until this year, despite all their stars it's hard to say they were the best team when flash joined.
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farseerdk
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada504 Posts
December 13 2010 05:13 GMT
#14
On December 13 2010 14:11 IdrA wrote:
lol
shut up

This. lol.

oGsMC will murder Rain and then we will all see that it will be much, much longer before we see the ultimate weapon of SC2.
Perspective is merely an angle.
danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-13 05:15:10
December 13 2010 05:14 GMT
#15
On December 13 2010 14:07 whitelynx wrote:
The biggest difference is that Flash could beat rain with his left pinky on his first time playing the game.


except he wouldnt. flashs weak point has always been games under 15 min, and incase youve never watched a gsl match, then dont really make it that far. I sure wish they did, and if the maps/game would support it, i would jizz to flash in sc2. but realisticly flash wouldnt have any better of a change in gsl than a average code s player because games would never get to the point where his decision making and macro would benefit him.

he would get coinflipped with the rest of em.
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-13 05:14:46
December 13 2010 05:14 GMT
#16
I hope he at least does well, I feel like he has taken an unneccesary amount of hate from the SC community.
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TrainSamurai
Profile Joined November 2010
339 Posts
December 13 2010 05:14 GMT
#17
Flash was a beast BW player when he beat Bisu with cheese ...................................................................................................
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lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
December 13 2010 05:16 GMT
#18
On December 13 2010 14:14 danson wrote:
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On December 13 2010 14:07 whitelynx wrote:
The biggest difference is that Flash could beat rain with his left pinky on his first time playing the game.


except he wouldnt. flashs weak point has always been games under 15 min, and incase youve never watched a gsl match, then dont really make it that far. I sure wish they did, and if the maps/game would support it, i would jizz to flash in sc2. but realisticly flash wouldnt have any better of a change in gsl than a average code s player because games would never get to the point where his decision making and macro would benefit him.

he would get coinflipped with the rest of em.


Flash has the best early game defense in the world... That is certainly not his weak point unless he goes ahead and does something stupid like that WCG game against Jaedong or his whole series against Effort.
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
December 13 2010 05:17 GMT
#19
troll?

Seriously though these two guys should not be mentioned in the same sentance, let alone thread.
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danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
December 13 2010 05:18 GMT
#20
On December 13 2010 14:16 whitelynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 14:14 danson wrote:
On December 13 2010 14:07 whitelynx wrote:
The biggest difference is that Flash could beat rain with his left pinky on his first time playing the game.


except he wouldnt. flashs weak point has always been games under 15 min, and incase youve never watched a gsl match, then dont really make it that far. I sure wish they did, and if the maps/game would support it, i would jizz to flash in sc2. but realisticly flash wouldnt have any better of a change in gsl than a average code s player because games would never get to the point where his decision making and macro would benefit him.

he would get coinflipped with the rest of em.


Flash has the best early game defense in the world... That is certainly not his weak point unless he goes ahead and does something stupid like that WCG game against Jaedong or his whole series against Effort.


meh. i disagree, but weak point here is relative. I think his strongest play is in the later stages of the game.

id love to see him try to turtle off 2 base vs a zerg who takes the hole map and then push out and steam roll them.
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-13 05:18:32
December 13 2010 05:18 GMT
#21
People saying that Flash would beat Rain so badly or that he is way better are not getting the point. Young Flash after he beat Bisu was not the god that he is now, and neither is Rain. As I said that I don't actually think Rain will become a god, but they're following the same path so far.
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LilClinkin
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Australia667 Posts
December 13 2010 05:18 GMT
#22
*chokes on cereal*

Rain the next Flash? Ahem...

*chuckles and goes back to eating cereal*
leetchaos
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States395 Posts
December 13 2010 05:18 GMT
#23
GSL is 3 months old, this thread makes my brain hurt.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27173 Posts
December 13 2010 05:19 GMT
#24
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
December 13 2010 05:19 GMT
#25
Interesting post, although the connections aren't quite strong enough. You're stretching the relations quite often. Although again, it is interesting xD

Wow didn't know Nestea was a coach of the team Flash joined. That's a bit odd, since he was mostly a 2v2 player, why was he a coach? May be i just don't know enough about the actual role and job of coaches xD
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