• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:08
CET 00:08
KST 08:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT28Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0258LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2
StarCraft 2
General
Terran AddOns placement How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly) WardiTV Team League Season 10 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April The Dave Testa Open #11
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
TvZ is the most complete match up BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Soma Explains: JD's Unrelenting Aggro vs FlaSh ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason New broswer game : STG-World
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Mexico's Drug War
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
YOUTUBE VIDEO
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2163 users

[MSL] Avalon MSL Group Selection - Page 28

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
618 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 26 27 28 29 30 31 Next All
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-04 17:23:55
June 04 2009 17:21 GMT
#541
On June 05 2009 01:58 FearDarkness wrote:
Effort, Stork, Skyhigh and Flash have easy groups


Flash? Okay, should be easy. But Canata, go.go, and even sAviOr are all still a bit dangerous, Canata seems to be totally in shape right now especially.

Stork? Yeah, that's easy. Assuming Stork doesn't facepalm.

sKyHigh has to deal with Calm and the unpredictable Zero. Sea shouldn't be a threat but he is good when on form. Not easy.

Effort? Sucks to be Effort. He is the class of the group right now, but Luxury's ZvZ is nothing to sneeze at, Hwasin's TvZ is legendary, and HiyA's mech style is quite effective too. Group A is stacked.

My summary:

Group A: Stacked, as noted above.
Group B: OMGWTFBBQDRAGONFEST STACKED. Except that Kal and free kind of aren't as good at PvP as the other two.
Group C: Stork vs young stars, with Shine along for the ride. Two Terrans says Stork goes through. Kwanro... could be even more of a problem than last time, although possibly Stork has learned how to play on Carthage.
Group D: Sea vs young stars - will he actually go through for once? (Smart money says no, between Calm and skyhigh's vT, with Zero for kicks and giggles.)
Group E: Tornado, Berserker, Magic - and the Tiger, whose hope here is beating Iris and UpMagic.
Group F: The group of death if you can only pick one. Jaedong, Leta, fantasy, and Movie. Basically, any group that runs about an even 50% chance or worse of Jaedong not advancing is ridiculous.
Group G: This group fails to interest me. Flash either failteenCCs into destruction or goes through playing with only one hand, and the other place is a crapshoot.
Group H: Somehow Much is the favorite here.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
ichimarugin680
Profile Joined February 2009
United States182 Posts
June 04 2009 17:23 GMT
#542
Dragonwars will begin shouldahad backho. There he'd proly advance lol
I'd like that Rosh cheeze with some whine.////.... When you feel down and lost read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
June 04 2009 17:27 GMT
#543
What the fuck @ Group B. What's up with this 4 protoss shit.
God Bless
Solinren
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-04 17:49:10
June 04 2009 17:48 GMT
#544
Group B: (P)JangBi, (P)Bisu, free, (P)Kal
What a group
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 04 2009 17:55 GMT
#545
On June 05 2009 02:21 Musoeun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2009 01:58 FearDarkness wrote:
Effort, Stork, Skyhigh and Flash have easy groups



Effort? Sucks to be Effort. He is the class of the group right now, but Luxury's ZvZ is nothing to sneeze at, Hwasin's TvZ is legendary, and HiyA's mech style is quite effective too. Group A is stacked.
.


I wonder if people here even watch recent games.

Have you seen Luxury play lately? It's ugly... he forgot how to do ANY matchup especially ZvZ. He's been really terrible lately.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
June 04 2009 17:59 GMT
#546
sad i missed this. hopefully someone subs the vods.

i wish i knew korean
wraiths go pew pew
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
June 04 2009 18:05 GMT
#547
On June 05 2009 02:55 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2009 02:21 Musoeun wrote:
On June 05 2009 01:58 FearDarkness wrote:
Effort, Stork, Skyhigh and Flash have easy groups



Effort? Sucks to be Effort. He is the class of the group right now, but Luxury's ZvZ is nothing to sneeze at, Hwasin's TvZ is legendary, and HiyA's mech style is quite effective too. Group A is stacked.
.


I wonder if people here even watch recent games.

Have you seen Luxury play lately? It's ugly... he forgot how to do ANY matchup especially ZvZ. He's been really terrible lately.


Yes, I have. He sucked for all of Round 4, I admit. The OSL loss was bad - but he clearly wasn't prepared to deal with go.go's fantasy+turtle style builds. But go watch Violet vs Luxury - that wasn't Luxury playing bad, that was Violet beating out a Luxury playing maybe not at the top of his game, but very well. Luxury vs Saint? Okay, so Saint's ZvZ isn't good, but Luxury absolutely trashed him. As usual, I think we'll see the good Luxury show up now that starleague season is back in force.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
June 04 2009 18:06 GMT
#548
CJ Entus has 7 of its players in 8 of the possible groups.

CJ fans, get ready to see your team CRUMBLE in the Proleague.
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
June 04 2009 18:26 GMT
#549
Shiiiiiiiit these groups are good.
Bisu v Jangbi
Jaedong v Movie
Horang2 v Upmagic
Zero v Skyhigh
etc etc etc

Almost every matchup is awesome.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
June 04 2009 18:36 GMT
#550
On June 05 2009 03:06 soudo wrote:
CJ Entus has 7 of its players in 8 of the possible groups.

CJ fans, get ready to see your team CRUMBLE in the Proleague.


This is CJ. Effort sAviOr Kwanro Devil skyhigh Iris Move Much jjonga nbs With the team all split up like this, they can just go, "Hmm, who's practicing for MSL and who can play this week?" What's going to be more problematic is the few who qualified for the OSL as well...
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
June 04 2009 18:37 GMT
#551
wtf why is group F always the group of death?
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
June 04 2009 18:56 GMT
#552
Time for some completely baseless predictions:

Group A: (T)HiyA and (Z)EffOrt

Group B: (P)JangBi and (P)Kal

Group C: (P)Stork and (Z)Kwanro

Group D: (T)Sea and (Z)Calm

Group E: (T)NaDa and (T)UpMaGiC

Group F: (T)Leta and (Z)Jaedong

Group G: (T)Flash and (T)go.go

Group H: (T)fOrGG and (P)Pure

Jaedong is going to win this MSL!
perfecting the art of five pool forever
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 04 2009 18:57 GMT
#553
OMFJC

Group F is just insane
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-04 18:59:28
June 04 2009 18:57 GMT
#554
4 dragons in one group. at least they only have to practice 1 match up

movie and fantasy for group F!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 04 2009 19:02 GMT
#555
Someone should make a poll about this
Like what's the 2nd most dificult group (the first is pretty obvious), or which group sounds like the most intresting one
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
JitNik
Profile Joined May 2009
Russian Federation134 Posts
June 04 2009 19:26 GMT
#556
SAVIOR, I BELIEVE
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
June 04 2009 19:32 GMT
#557
WOW WHUT?
GROUP B WHAT?
BISU FREE JANGBI KAL?

DRAGON TIME
cw)minsean(ru
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
June 04 2009 19:33 GMT
#558
MAAAA JAE YOOOOOOOOOON

He better have been practicing hard since he hasn't been on the bench the last few games.
scwizard
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1195 Posts
June 04 2009 19:41 GMT
#559
Jaedong's group is sick, it's built for the sole purpose of sniping Jaedong. The only thing it's lacking is (T)sKyHigh unfortunately
Nanoo
Profile Joined March 2009
229 Posts
June 04 2009 19:41 GMT
#560
Bisu and JangBi is slightly favourite in group B..since they can practice with the remaining dragons...
Prev 1 26 27 28 29 30 31 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
AI Arena Tournament
20:00
RO8
Laughngamez YouTube
DaveTesta Events
18:15
The Dave Testa Open #11
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 202
Liquid`TLO 99
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 56
NaDa 19
nyoken 5
Dota 2
420jenkins276
League of Legends
JimRising 362
Counter-Strike
fl0m686
Stewie2K678
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox941
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor225
Other Games
summit1g6186
tarik_tv3897
Grubby3529
crisheroes281
ToD218
ZombieGrub61
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick932
Counter-Strike
PGL225
StarCraft 2
angryscii 59
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 71
• musti20045 45
• HeavenSC 24
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki18
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2656
• Noizen28
League of Legends
• Doublelift3198
Other Games
• imaqtpie994
• Shiphtur248
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
52m
PiG Sty Festival
9h 52m
Clem vs Serral
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10h 52m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15h 52m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Wardi Open
1d 12h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-27
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.