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On March 06 2009 07:04 Mooncat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 06:52 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 06:38 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". You don't like him. Period. How does that not make you an anti-fan? You have no support for your argument. Here is the support for mine: Stork has been playing for years longer than Bisu and has a Gold:Silver ratio of 1:3. Bisu has a ratio of 4:1. What does this say? Stork is not an all-around phenomenal player. In terms of consistency, he has that, but 6 silver medals in a row tell me he is a failure under pressure. His recent gold is over Fantasy, who was going for a royal road, i.e. he is new to the scene and he STILL barely held off his relatively amateur TvP by a meager 3-2 margin. Since he got the gold he has been playing like shit, only scraping by wins to advance in OSL and MSL, neither of which he will win because JangBi is better than him and Bisu is better than him, not to mention other players who could probably destroy his face. He is pathetic in his nerves, in his tears, in his silver medals, and his inferiority to JangBi (always) and Bisu (almost always). Bisu deserves to be on the "Protoss Throne," simply because he is the most successful and best all-around Protoss player. Ever. He revamped his PvT and PvP to amazing levels, winning the previous two tournaments almost on those alone, which were considered to be relative his weak point. When was the last time Stork beat a Zerg player in a finals? Never. Why? Because his PvZ sucks and he hasn't done shit about it. Ooooh he beat Yellow and July to get into the OSL quarterfinals. Guess what happened before that though? Bisu raped him. The king of Protoss has to have the PvP skills right now to eliminate the other Dragons who challenge him, and Stork clearly doesn't have that anymore. Bisu tore him a new asshole. Bisu vs. Jaedong; do you think Stork could make a show like that? 5th game aside, no Protoss can do what Bisu did against Jaedong. Bisu vs. Flash, Bo3, Bisu 2-1 Flash. Last two finals settings where Stork met Flash? Absolute rape in Flash's favor. Stork is clearly inferior in all MUs now. Now you may bring up the question of attitude up. Just because Bisu is confident, and gets punished for it sometimes, just means that he aims high and has a clear goal in mind, and he doesn't spare kind words to his opponents because that is his strategy to succeed, and guess what, it WORKS. Stork on the other hand is a pants-pissing coward who cries every time he knows a silver medal is coming up. I would rather have an arrogant prick who gets fucked up once in a while than a GM stage-fright kid who looks like he is socially inept, getting raped 6 times out of 8 in the grand finals. Bisu is the King. Stork polishes his shoes and wears a jester hat. Any questions? BTW I JUST DON'T LIKE HIM. PERIOD. I'M NOT AN ANTI-FAN BTW LOL. Shit... I don't even know which post to quote... Has anyone ever told you that your nick fits you perfectly? Merely "Fanatic" would be an understatement... Must have really hit a nerve there, have I? You just can't stand anyone not liking your baby boy... Well, that's too bad. Because that's how it works in this world. You like some people, you dislike some. It's as simple as that. Tell me if I'm wrong, but did my post contain any analysis of Bisu's skill in comparison to Stork's? Other than "Yes, he plays amazing from time to time" I can't remember talking about Bisu's current skill level at all. The only thing I said was basically that I don't like Bisu and therefore would like to see another guy take the "Protoss Throne". Sadly, we do not live in wishy wishy wonderland, so this won't necessarily happen. Nevertheless I'm hoping for it. Aren't you so clever? A nick I picked in 5th grade is a perfect reflection of my attitude towards the StarCraft progaming sphere and its members, which I didn't even know of at the time! It's clearly not my foreigner adaptation of my favorite ability in Diablo II! You're a genius. No, I don't give a fuck about people not liking him for a good reason, which they provide if they rant about it. You provided no such reason, just blind hate with no justification, then saying that you hope a far inferior player takes his place as the most dominant Protoss. As if it's that simple or maleable lol. Tell me if I'm wrong, but is that not what you implied? Oh wait, you just proved my hypothesis in the last statement you made. You like some people, don't like others, but when you have no support for either direction, and if you did it would be on third-hand knowledge via post-game interviews affected by language barriers and emotional responses to situations, your dislike is baseless. My dislike of stork is based on his ability as a player and his reactions, nerves, etc. directly from him - his face, his posture, his losses in the finals. So I "blindly hate" Bisu now? Just because I don't like him? Well, thanks for pointing that out to me. It really is astonishing where you get all that information from.... Think it through. Is there really a "justification" not to like somebody you don't know personally? I don't think so. There are always reasons for not liking somebody, but rarely is there a real justification. When I say that I don't like Bisu, I have my reasons of course. But those are just opinions, impressions, etc. Nothing that's based on facts. Like you not liking Stork's face for example. So what if I don't like Bisu's face? Would that satisfy you? Fine then. I don't like Bisu's face, his lisping, his style of play, his complaining, his arrogance.... Shall I go on? No, I didn't imply that I want an inferior player to take the "Protoss Throne". Because when another player takes the "Protoss Throne" he obviously isn't inferior to any other protoss anymore.... That includes Bisu.
Per LosingID8's post I'm going to take this to PMs and if anyone else wants to continue any conversation with me on this topic should do the same.
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On March 06 2009 07:03 LosingID8 wrote:
stop talking about bisu in a nada vs jangbi thread
this. seriously. if you haven't convinced everyone that bisu is jesus by now, you're not going to. let it go, or at least just keep that discussion in it's place.
i'm sure nada will be back to dominate again. this isn't the worst loss he's had in his career (i'm sure 0-3 to free was much worse). at least the chances of a khan medal are high =)
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On March 06 2009 07:10 brjdrb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 07:03 LosingID8 wrote:
stop talking about bisu in a nada vs jangbi thread this. seriously. if you haven't convinced everyone that bisu is jesus by now, you're not going to. let it go, or at least just keep that discussion in it's place. i'm sure nada will be back to dominate again. this isn't the worst loss he's had in his career (i'm sure 0-3 to free was much worse). at least the chances of a khan medal are high =)
Nada will never be "back" to dominating, since he hasn't left just because of his loss to Jangbi imo. I think this is evidence that he is still at the top [:
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On March 06 2009 07:21 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 07:10 brjdrb wrote:On March 06 2009 07:03 LosingID8 wrote:
stop talking about bisu in a nada vs jangbi thread this. seriously. if you haven't convinced everyone that bisu is jesus by now, you're not going to. let it go, or at least just keep that discussion in it's place. i'm sure nada will be back to dominate again. this isn't the worst loss he's had in his career (i'm sure 0-3 to free was much worse). at least the chances of a khan medal are high =) Nada will never be "back" to dominating, since he hasn't left just because of his loss to Jangbi imo. I think this is evidence that he is still at the top [:
my mind says to disagree, that nada isn't at the top, but my heart says to just agree. b/c i wish it were true =\
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On March 06 2009 06:58 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 06:55 adelarge wrote:On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". You don't like him. Period. How does that not make you an anti-fan? You have no support for your argument. Here is the support for mine: ... BTW I JUST DON'T LIKE HIM. PERIOD. I'M NOT AN ANTI-FAN BTW LOL. There is a fine difference between liking some player and being a fan of him. The same goes for the opposite. Maybe you don't feel the difference, but laughing at somebody (with caps) doesn't make you look smarter, quite the opposite. It's called mocking. It's not meant to make me look smarter, it's meant to make his baseless statements look more stupid. Whether or not it worked is subjective. Maybe you don't understand that, but cutting apart someone's satirical statement and claiming it was an ego-boosting statement doesn't make you smarter, quite the opposite. See what I did there?
Such a tasteless sarcasm is usually used by people who only want to boost their ego this way, so pardon me for that honest mistake  .
(sorry for this offtopic, it's the last from me...I can't post anything about Nada yet, still so upset over the result)
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On March 06 2009 07:23 brjdrb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 07:21 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 07:10 brjdrb wrote:On March 06 2009 07:03 LosingID8 wrote:
stop talking about bisu in a nada vs jangbi thread this. seriously. if you haven't convinced everyone that bisu is jesus by now, you're not going to. let it go, or at least just keep that discussion in it's place. i'm sure nada will be back to dominate again. this isn't the worst loss he's had in his career (i'm sure 0-3 to free was much worse). at least the chances of a khan medal are high =) Nada will never be "back" to dominating, since he hasn't left just because of his loss to Jangbi imo. I think this is evidence that he is still at the top [: my mind says to disagree, that nada isn't at the top, but my heart says to just agree. b/c i wish it were true =\
Well, not at the VERY top, not #1, not winning golds yet. But his skill is clearly close to the Top 3 (Bisu, Jaedong, Flash). I think Flash would have a hard ass time taking a Bo5 from Jangbi.
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Nada played excellently and was so close to victory. And why are people spamming about by.hero vs Bisu, when Bisu has to beat Best, and by.hero beat friggin Hwasin. Worst case scenario we get Bisu vs Hwasin, though that wouldnt be so bad if Hwasin finally takes the set.
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I was so sad seeing Nada lose the last game. You can really appreciate old guard vs new style when watching Nada compete with today's best. I think from a purely technical stand point he's way outmatched by the young guys, but he's expert at microing, positioning around the map and going all out balls as opposed to winning by little accumulated gains. Hats off to Nada for staying this good for so long.
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On March 06 2009 07:52 mog87 wrote:
Nada played excellently and was so close to victory. And why are people spamming about by.hero vs Bisu, when Bisu has to beat Best, and by.hero beat friggin Hwasin. Worst case scenario we get Bisu vs Hwasin, though that wouldnt be so bad if Hwasin finally takes the set.
Bisu vs. Hwasin would be epic IMO, they have had the rivalry (with Bisu raping him I guess) forever, and it would be nice to see if Hwasin steps up or if Bisu continues to destroy him. Either way it'd be entertaining. Scouts anyone? :D
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Poor NaDa, he played so well. Well at least I have one more reason to hate Khan. Hope to see these two play again though, very entertaining sets
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lol @ Bisu fan boys. I don't really understand why so many people like him.. he's unnecessarily arrogant and acts like a tool in many interviews I've seen/read.
Anyway, next time NaDa.. I believe in you :>
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Nvm, was gonna respond to fanaticist from the prev. page but obv that's gone on too long.
So I'll just comment on this match. JangBi is a freakin machine and NaDa won another fan today. I usually can't stand Terran players, but damn he played amazing and EXCITING. Ppl get all jumped up over Fantasy, but I think it's more OOV than anything. NaDa seems to respond to the series AS it's going, and just wow. He had a great build for game 1, an awesome cheese back at JB in game 4, and game 5 was really close during JB's carrier transition. If NaDa had scanned it a little earlier, or managed to shut down an expo before the carrier mass got big... it might have been a much different game. Great series.
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I hate the people who say that Jangbi is a fag cause he used carriers....
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i just watched jangbi vs nada game 1 on byz. omfg. lolol jangbi had it okay but nada was on another level this game. damn.
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how was the series guys? i forgot i had a test and couldn't watch the games
im really surprised that nada took jangbi to all 5 games, losing 3-2. no shame in that, losing to the top PvT (bisu's pvt is arguable.. but this is a jangbi vs nada thread). nada always surprises me..
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It was easily better than ZerO/sAviOr and Leta/Luxury. Really electrifying games if you were watching live/had not been spoiled yet.
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On March 06 2009 08:39 theKnife wrote:
lol @ Bisu fan boys. I don't really understand why so many people like him.. he's unnecessarily arrogant and acts like a tool in many interviews I've seen/read.
Anyway, next time NaDa.. I believe in you :>
It was the Bisu antifans who started first here throwing hate on Bisu out of the blue.
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On March 06 2009 08:39 theKnife wrote:
lol @ Bisu fan boys. I don't really understand why so many people like him.. he's unnecessarily arrogant and acts like a tool in many interviews I've seen/read.
Anyway, next time NaDa.. I believe in you :>
You don't really understand why so many peope like Bisu?
Unnecessarily arrogant and acts like a tool?
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On March 06 2009 09:07 imperfect wrote:
how was the series guys? i forgot i had a test and couldn't watch the games
im really surprised that nada took jangbi to all 5 games, losing 3-2. no shame in that, losing to the top PvT (bisu's pvt is arguable.. but this is a jangbi vs nada thread). nada always surprises me..
3 games involved proxies. Some people liked that I guess, others may not care for it so much.
I'm sad for Nada though, after seeing him come so close to winning the series it was really quite a heartbreaking loss.
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I usually have an (irritatingly uncontrable) urge to vote for Protoss as I play it mostly myself, but damn I'm sad to see Nada lose. Then again, I'm really happy to see Nada do this well, it truly is quite a feat.
Oh and about the entire Bisu thing, what I gather from a lot of people, and at leasts counts for me personally, the love comes mostly from his play and the simple fact that there's finally a truely (more or less) dominating protoss in all MU's, something that hasnt been around for a long long time. If his hairstyle or w/ever suits people or not is a whole other (and imo hugely uninteresting) discussion.
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