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Now you may bring up the question of attitude up. Just because Bisu is confident, and gets punished for it sometimes, just means that he aims high and has a clear goal in mind, and he doesn't spare kind words to his opponents because that is his strategy to succeed, and guess what, it WORKS. Stork on the other hand is a pants-pissing coward who cries every time he knows a silver medal is coming up. I would rather have an arrogant prick who gets fucked up once in a while than a GM stage-fright kid who looks like he is socially inept, getting raped 6 times out of 8 in the grand finals.
qtf
anyways...~~
LOL it's amazing how NaDA can still take a top tier player like Jangbi to game 5
amazing
tornado terran still has it in him
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On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". I would rather have an arrogant prick .
Pretty much reason enough for most people not to like Bisu, just look at FBH and how many people HATE him.
I liked Bisu's attitude until he had the audacity to complain about maps. Arrogant pricks do not complain about maps, ever. That pretty much destroyed his persona for me. Picks an all Zerg group and gets dominated BOTH times and then complains about the maps. I liked Bisu quite a lot before that.
If By.Hero loses to Bisu in the OSL I will be so disappointed. To lose to someone you beat 2-0 in the group stages would be nearly highway robbery, especially if it's something like a 2-3 loss.
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I liked Bisu until his fans started bashing Stork and anyone else that beat him.
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On March 06 2009 06:05 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". I would rather have an arrogant prick . Pretty much reason enough for most people not to like Bisu, just look at FBH and how many people HATE him. I liked Bisu's attitude until he had the audacity to complain about maps. Arrogant pricks do not complain about maps, ever. That pretty much destroyed his persona for me. Picks an all Zerg group and gets dominated BOTH times and then complains about the maps. I liked Bisu quite a lot before that. If By.Hero loses to Bisu in the OSL I will be so disappointed. To lose to someone you beat 2-0 in the group stages would be nearly highway robbery, especially if it's something like a 2-3 loss.
He isn't NEARLY as bad as FBH, it's only the way he says things in interviews, which is translated probably not verbatim since most translations are done on the fly or by people who have a greater mastery of one language than the other. Don't get me wrong, the gist is clear, but the intensity can vary from interview to interview. And even then, who gives a fuck? The guy is indisputably the best Protoss, it's only because of his "attitude" that you want him to not be #1? You would rather have a weaker player who gets stomped on by all 3 races and loses 6/8 finals, just because he is more GM? Please.
11-2 map ZvP + getting raped by a relative newcomer influences your play greatly, even the best player would stumble after that. You think by.hero can rape Bisu in a Bo5 after what Bisu showed against Jaedong? Come on now. He stumbled, and it was because of how he was raped on the maps, blaming the maps is of course only part of the issue but it IS a part of the issue. He never said it was only because of the map, he just listed it as a reason. Of course it's very subjective what you take out of that interview, but he never took any credit away from by.hero, and haters jumped on it saying that because he said something about maps that takes away credit by association or some shit. Even if he was blaming the map entirely, get over it, the map is imba and he got raped, of course he will make excuses for it. Most professional athletes do. It is clearly a reaction right after the fact, influenced by feelings and disappointment. I'm sure if you asked him now why he lost then he will give a more "acceptable" response since he is not in the fallout of the event.
If by.hero beats Bisu in the OSL it will be the biggest fluke to have graced Bisu's career, and it will be fucking shameful. I see close to no chance of it happening in light of the Bo5 Bisu vs. Jaedong.
2353 ELO peak people, wtf? How can you overlook his dominance right now and tell me by.hero would be "robbed" if he lost? Fuck that, Wildcard was luck but Bisu also took the hand dealt to him and took it home, facing tougher and more opponents than by.hero did. If he rapes by.hero it will only be the rightful order of things - King taking one more step to the crown, newb getting destroyed in a league and learning lessons from it. GG no re.
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On March 06 2009 06:07 hacpee wrote:
I liked Bisu until his fans started bashing Stork and anyone else that beat him.
Sorry but if you are including me in that list, I have clearly justified the bashing that Stork has received and if you are blind to those facts then a reality check is in order. The man can play a game of great BW, just most of the time it's not when it matters. Any correlation there? I think so.
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On March 06 2009 06:15 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 06:05 Jayme wrote:On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". I would rather have an arrogant prick . Pretty much reason enough for most people not to like Bisu, just look at FBH and how many people HATE him. I liked Bisu's attitude until he had the audacity to complain about maps. Arrogant pricks do not complain about maps, ever. That pretty much destroyed his persona for me. Picks an all Zerg group and gets dominated BOTH times and then complains about the maps. I liked Bisu quite a lot before that. If By.Hero loses to Bisu in the OSL I will be so disappointed. To lose to someone you beat 2-0 in the group stages would be nearly highway robbery, especially if it's something like a 2-3 loss. He isn't NEARLY as bad as FBH, it's only the way he says things in interviews, which is translated probably not verbatim since most translations are done on the fly or by people who have a greater mastery of one language than the other. Don't get me wrong, the gist is clear, but the intensity can vary from interview to interview. And even then, who gives a fuck? The guy is indisputably the best Protoss, it's only because of his "attitude" that you want him to not be #1? You would rather have a weaker player who gets stomped on by all 3 races and loses 6/8 finals, just because he is more GM? Please. 11-2 map ZvP + getting raped by a relative newcomer influences your play greatly, even the best player would stumble after that. You think by.hero can rape Bisu in a Bo5 after what Bisu showed against Jaedong? Come on now. He stumbled, and it was because of how he was raped on the maps, blaming the maps is of course only part of the issue but it IS a part of the issue. He never said it was only because of the map, he just listed it as a reason. Of course it's very subjective what you take out of that interview, but he never took any credit away from by.hero, and haters jumped on it saying that because he said something about maps that takes away credit by association or some shit. Even if he was blaming the map entirely, get over it, the map is imba and he got raped, of course he will make excuses for it. Most professional athletes do. It is clearly a reaction right after the fact, influenced by feelings and disappointment. I'm sure if you asked him now why he lost then he will give a more "acceptable" response since he is not in the fallout of the event. If by.hero beats Bisu in the OSL it will be the biggest fluke to have graced Bisu's career, and it will be fucking shameful. I see close to no chance of it happening in light of the Bo5 Bisu vs. Jaedong. 2353 ELO peak people, wtf? How can you overlook his dominance right now and tell me by.hero would be "robbed" if he lost? Fuck that, Wildcard was luck but Bisu also took the hand dealt to him and took it home, facing tougher and more opponents than by.hero did. If he rapes by.hero it will only be the rightful order of things - King taking one more step to the crown, newb getting destroyed in a league and learning lessons from it. GG no re.
the rant was good up untill the
GG no re.
you killed me man
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On March 06 2009 06:17 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 06:15 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 06:05 Jayme wrote:On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". I would rather have an arrogant prick . Pretty much reason enough for most people not to like Bisu, just look at FBH and how many people HATE him. I liked Bisu's attitude until he had the audacity to complain about maps. Arrogant pricks do not complain about maps, ever. That pretty much destroyed his persona for me. Picks an all Zerg group and gets dominated BOTH times and then complains about the maps. I liked Bisu quite a lot before that. If By.Hero loses to Bisu in the OSL I will be so disappointed. To lose to someone you beat 2-0 in the group stages would be nearly highway robbery, especially if it's something like a 2-3 loss. He isn't NEARLY as bad as FBH, it's only the way he says things in interviews, which is translated probably not verbatim since most translations are done on the fly or by people who have a greater mastery of one language than the other. Don't get me wrong, the gist is clear, but the intensity can vary from interview to interview. And even then, who gives a fuck? The guy is indisputably the best Protoss, it's only because of his "attitude" that you want him to not be #1? You would rather have a weaker player who gets stomped on by all 3 races and loses 6/8 finals, just because he is more GM? Please. 11-2 map ZvP + getting raped by a relative newcomer influences your play greatly, even the best player would stumble after that. You think by.hero can rape Bisu in a Bo5 after what Bisu showed against Jaedong? Come on now. He stumbled, and it was because of how he was raped on the maps, blaming the maps is of course only part of the issue but it IS a part of the issue. He never said it was only because of the map, he just listed it as a reason. Of course it's very subjective what you take out of that interview, but he never took any credit away from by.hero, and haters jumped on it saying that because he said something about maps that takes away credit by association or some shit. Even if he was blaming the map entirely, get over it, the map is imba and he got raped, of course he will make excuses for it. Most professional athletes do. It is clearly a reaction right after the fact, influenced by feelings and disappointment. I'm sure if you asked him now why he lost then he will give a more "acceptable" response since he is not in the fallout of the event. If by.hero beats Bisu in the OSL it will be the biggest fluke to have graced Bisu's career, and it will be fucking shameful. I see close to no chance of it happening in light of the Bo5 Bisu vs. Jaedong. 2353 ELO peak people, wtf? How can you overlook his dominance right now and tell me by.hero would be "robbed" if he lost? Fuck that, Wildcard was luck but Bisu also took the hand dealt to him and took it home, facing tougher and more opponents than by.hero did. If he rapes by.hero it will only be the rightful order of things - King taking one more step to the crown, newb getting destroyed in a league and learning lessons from it. GG no re. the rant was good up untill the you killed me man
Wasn't part of the argument, was my reference to the upcoming Bisu vs. by.hero match and how it is a deciding factor in at least my perspective of both players.
Option A
Bisu wins. By.hero loses.
Bisu does what he is SUPPOSED to do and is predicted to do after his games vs. Jaedong, by.hero takes this as a learning experience and I do have to give him props for getting this far in the tournament.
Option B
Bisu loses. By.hero wins.
Bisu fucks up royally or get raped silly, but most likely the first option. He is destroyed by a relative new comer, and on top of his loss to Jaedong (although he played BEAUTIFULLY for most of the series), this would lead me to doubt the state of his PvZ and his nerves after game 5 of the showmatch.
Hence, it is a very important deciding set, hence GG no RE (as in no going back from the results of it).
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On March 06 2009 06:15 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 06:05 Jayme wrote:On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". I would rather have an arrogant prick . Pretty much reason enough for most people not to like Bisu, just look at FBH and how many people HATE him. I liked Bisu's attitude until he had the audacity to complain about maps. Arrogant pricks do not complain about maps, ever. That pretty much destroyed his persona for me. Picks an all Zerg group and gets dominated BOTH times and then complains about the maps. I liked Bisu quite a lot before that. If By.Hero loses to Bisu in the OSL I will be so disappointed. To lose to someone you beat 2-0 in the group stages would be nearly highway robbery, especially if it's something like a 2-3 loss. He isn't NEARLY as bad as FBH, it's only the way he says things in interviews, which is translated probably not verbatim since most translations are done on the fly or by people who have a greater mastery of one language than the other. Don't get me wrong, the gist is clear, but the intensity can vary from interview to interview. And even then, who gives a fuck? The guy is indisputably the best Protoss, it's only because of his "attitude" that you want him to not be #1? You would rather have a weaker player who gets stomped on by all 3 races and loses 6/8 finals, just because he is more GM? Please. 11-2 map ZvP + getting raped by a relative newcomer influences your play greatly, even the best player would stumble after that. You think by.hero can rape Bisu in a Bo5 after what Bisu showed against Jaedong? Come on now. He stumbled, and it was because of how he was raped on the maps, blaming the maps is of course only part of the issue but it IS a part of the issue. He never said it was only because of the map, he just listed it as a reason. Of course it's very subjective what you take out of that interview, but he never took any credit away from by.hero, and haters jumped on it saying that because he said something about maps that takes away credit by association or some shit. Even if he was blaming the map entirely, get over it, the map is imba and he got raped, of course he will make excuses for it. Most professional athletes do. It is clearly a reaction right after the fact, influenced by feelings and disappointment. I'm sure if you asked him now why he lost then he will give a more "acceptable" response since he is not in the fallout of the event. If by.hero beats Bisu in the OSL it will be the biggest fluke to have graced Bisu's career, and it will be fucking shameful. I see close to no chance of it happening in light of the Bo5 Bisu vs. Jaedong. 2353 ELO peak people, wtf? How can you overlook his dominance right now and tell me by.hero would be "robbed" if he lost? Fuck that, Wildcard was luck but Bisu also took the hand dealt to him and took it home, facing tougher and more opponents than by.hero did. If he rapes by.hero it will only be the rightful order of things - King taking one more step to the crown, newb getting destroyed in a league and learning lessons from it. GG no re.
That pretty much insane. Biggest fluke ever? You're kidding right? The issue I have with the map deal is that hes the first truly dominant player EVER to WHINE about MAPS. Keep in mind that By.hero did recently beat Bisu.. AGAIN in WL, and while that holds little weight please lay off of the noob by.hero and don't treat me like a blind fanboy or anti-fanboy.. i'm not one. Dominant people never complain about things like that and you know it.
I know Bisu is the best protoss of all time, I praise his play when he plays well.. he still lost 2-0 to By.Hero in a starleague and got LUCKY having a chance to get back into the starleague. Just because he plays well doesn't mean I have to like him while he does it. I know he's good, I don't flame the guy, but I certainly don't like him.
Yes, it would be robbery if By.Hero lost to Bisu, i'm sorry. Playing the same person twice in a tournament and losing the second time is pretty insane. If it had only been a Bo1 I wouldn't even bat an eye at it, but because it was a Bo3 and Bisu got absolutely DESTROYED it kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
The true measure of someones dominance is overcoming things like map imbalance, Flash does it, Savior did it, so Bisu should sure as hell do it. There is no excuse for playing like that and then subsequently losing in the group stages of both starleagues. NONE. Yea, I do like Stork better than Bisu, especially now. I already said his arrogant personality appeals to me, and it still would if he hadn't made that ridiculous excuse.
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Bisu is gonna lose.
I hope :D
*back on topic*
yay jangbi! :D
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On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". You don't like him. Period. How does that not make you an anti-fan? You have no support for your argument. Here is the support for mine: Stork has been playing for years longer than Bisu and has a Gold:Silver ratio of 1:3. Bisu has a ratio of 4:1. What does this say? Stork is not an all-around phenomenal player. In terms of consistency, he has that, but 6 silver medals in a row tell me he is a failure under pressure. His recent gold is over Fantasy, who was going for a royal road, i.e. he is new to the scene and he STILL barely held off his relatively amateur TvP by a meager 3-2 margin. Since he got the gold he has been playing like shit, only scraping by wins to advance in OSL and MSL, neither of which he will win because JangBi is better than him and Bisu is better than him, not to mention other players who could probably destroy his face. He is pathetic in his nerves, in his tears, in his silver medals, and his inferiority to JangBi (always) and Bisu (almost always). Bisu deserves to be on the "Protoss Throne," simply because he is the most successful and best all-around Protoss player. Ever. He revamped his PvT and PvP to amazing levels, winning the previous two tournaments almost on those alone, which were considered to be relative his weak point. When was the last time Stork beat a Zerg player in a finals? Never. Why? Because his PvZ sucks and he hasn't done shit about it. Ooooh he beat Yellow and July to get into the OSL quarterfinals. Guess what happened before that though? Bisu raped him. The king of Protoss has to have the PvP skills right now to eliminate the other Dragons who challenge him, and Stork clearly doesn't have that anymore. Bisu tore him a new asshole. Bisu vs. Jaedong; do you think Stork could make a show like that? 5th game aside, no Protoss can do what Bisu did against Jaedong. Bisu vs. Flash, Bo3, Bisu 2-1 Flash. Last two finals settings where Stork met Flash? Absolute rape in Flash's favor. Stork is clearly inferior in all MUs now. Now you may bring up the question of attitude up. Just because Bisu is confident, and gets punished for it sometimes, just means that he aims high and has a clear goal in mind, and he doesn't spare kind words to his opponents because that is his strategy to succeed, and guess what, it WORKS. Stork on the other hand is a pants-pissing coward who cries every time he knows a silver medal is coming up. I would rather have an arrogant prick who gets fucked up once in a while than a GM stage-fright kid who looks like he is socially inept, getting raped 6 times out of 8 in the grand finals. Bisu is the King. Stork polishes his shoes and wears a jester hat. Any questions? BTW I JUST DON'T LIKE HIM. PERIOD. I'M NOT AN ANTI-FAN BTW LOL.
Shit... I don't even know which post to quote... Has anyone ever told you that your nick fits you perfectly? Merely "Fanatic" would be an understatement...
Must have really hit a nerve there, have I? You just can't stand anyone not liking your baby boy... Well, that's too bad. Because that's how it works in this world. You like some people, you dislike some. It's as simple as that.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but did my post contain any analysis of Bisu's skill in comparison to Stork's?
Other than "Yes, he plays amazing from time to time" I can't remember talking about Bisu's current skill level at all. The only thing I said was basically that I don't like Bisu and therefore would like to see another guy take the "Protoss Throne". Sadly, we do not live in wishy wishy wonderland, so this won't necessarily happen. Nevertheless I'm hoping for it.
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On March 06 2009 06:23 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 06:15 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 06:05 Jayme wrote:On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". I would rather have an arrogant prick . Pretty much reason enough for most people not to like Bisu, just look at FBH and how many people HATE him. I liked Bisu's attitude until he had the audacity to complain about maps. Arrogant pricks do not complain about maps, ever. That pretty much destroyed his persona for me. Picks an all Zerg group and gets dominated BOTH times and then complains about the maps. I liked Bisu quite a lot before that. If By.Hero loses to Bisu in the OSL I will be so disappointed. To lose to someone you beat 2-0 in the group stages would be nearly highway robbery, especially if it's something like a 2-3 loss. He isn't NEARLY as bad as FBH, it's only the way he says things in interviews, which is translated probably not verbatim since most translations are done on the fly or by people who have a greater mastery of one language than the other. Don't get me wrong, the gist is clear, but the intensity can vary from interview to interview. And even then, who gives a fuck? The guy is indisputably the best Protoss, it's only because of his "attitude" that you want him to not be #1? You would rather have a weaker player who gets stomped on by all 3 races and loses 6/8 finals, just because he is more GM? Please. 11-2 map ZvP + getting raped by a relative newcomer influences your play greatly, even the best player would stumble after that. You think by.hero can rape Bisu in a Bo5 after what Bisu showed against Jaedong? Come on now. He stumbled, and it was because of how he was raped on the maps, blaming the maps is of course only part of the issue but it IS a part of the issue. He never said it was only because of the map, he just listed it as a reason. Of course it's very subjective what you take out of that interview, but he never took any credit away from by.hero, and haters jumped on it saying that because he said something about maps that takes away credit by association or some shit. Even if he was blaming the map entirely, get over it, the map is imba and he got raped, of course he will make excuses for it. Most professional athletes do. It is clearly a reaction right after the fact, influenced by feelings and disappointment. I'm sure if you asked him now why he lost then he will give a more "acceptable" response since he is not in the fallout of the event. If by.hero beats Bisu in the OSL it will be the biggest fluke to have graced Bisu's career, and it will be fucking shameful. I see close to no chance of it happening in light of the Bo5 Bisu vs. Jaedong. 2353 ELO peak people, wtf? How can you overlook his dominance right now and tell me by.hero would be "robbed" if he lost? Fuck that, Wildcard was luck but Bisu also took the hand dealt to him and took it home, facing tougher and more opponents than by.hero did. If he rapes by.hero it will only be the rightful order of things - King taking one more step to the crown, newb getting destroyed in a league and learning lessons from it. GG no re. That pretty much insane. Biggest fluke ever? You're kidding right? The issue I have with the map deal is that hes the first truly dominant player EVER to WHINE about MAPS. Keep in mind that By.hero did recently beat Bisu.. AGAIN in WL, and while that holds little weight please lay off of the noob by.hero and don't treat me like a blind fanboy or anti-fanboy.. i'm not one. Dominant people never complain about things like that and you know it. I know Bisu is the best protoss of all time, I praise his play when he plays well.. he still lost 2-0 to By.Hero in a starleague and got LUCKY having a chance to get back into the starleague. Just because he plays well doesn't mean I have to like him while he does it. I know he's good, I don't flame the guy, but I certainly don't like him. Yes, it would be robbery if By.Hero lost to Bisu, i'm sorry. Playing the same person twice in a tournament and losing the second time is pretty insane. If it had only been a Bo1 I wouldn't even bat an eye at it, but because it was a Bo3 and Bisu got absolutely DESTROYED it kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. The true measure of someones dominance is overcoming things like map imbalance, Flash does it, Savior did it, so Bisu should sure as hell do it. There is no excuse for playing like that and then subsequently losing in the group stages of both starleagues. NONE. Yea, I do like Stork better than Bisu, especially now. I already said his arrogant personality appeals to me, and it still would if he hadn't made that ridiculous excuse.
yeah Bisu going 8-0 through the tough OSL tiebreakers was "lucky", he just lucked his way through those 8 games surely
i love how people say bisu getting into the OSL via tiebreaker as lucky, and completely dismiss the fact that he won those games to get in. sure the fact that the tiebreaker happened was due to an event (backho's injury) that bisu had nothing to do with, but Bisu was way less lucky in 8-0'ing that strong field than Tester was in getting that crap group.
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On March 06 2009 06:39 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 06:23 Jayme wrote:On March 06 2009 06:15 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 06:05 Jayme wrote:On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". I would rather have an arrogant prick . Pretty much reason enough for most people not to like Bisu, just look at FBH and how many people HATE him. I liked Bisu's attitude until he had the audacity to complain about maps. Arrogant pricks do not complain about maps, ever. That pretty much destroyed his persona for me. Picks an all Zerg group and gets dominated BOTH times and then complains about the maps. I liked Bisu quite a lot before that. If By.Hero loses to Bisu in the OSL I will be so disappointed. To lose to someone you beat 2-0 in the group stages would be nearly highway robbery, especially if it's something like a 2-3 loss. He isn't NEARLY as bad as FBH, it's only the way he says things in interviews, which is translated probably not verbatim since most translations are done on the fly or by people who have a greater mastery of one language than the other. Don't get me wrong, the gist is clear, but the intensity can vary from interview to interview. And even then, who gives a fuck? The guy is indisputably the best Protoss, it's only because of his "attitude" that you want him to not be #1? You would rather have a weaker player who gets stomped on by all 3 races and loses 6/8 finals, just because he is more GM? Please. 11-2 map ZvP + getting raped by a relative newcomer influences your play greatly, even the best player would stumble after that. You think by.hero can rape Bisu in a Bo5 after what Bisu showed against Jaedong? Come on now. He stumbled, and it was because of how he was raped on the maps, blaming the maps is of course only part of the issue but it IS a part of the issue. He never said it was only because of the map, he just listed it as a reason. Of course it's very subjective what you take out of that interview, but he never took any credit away from by.hero, and haters jumped on it saying that because he said something about maps that takes away credit by association or some shit. Even if he was blaming the map entirely, get over it, the map is imba and he got raped, of course he will make excuses for it. Most professional athletes do. It is clearly a reaction right after the fact, influenced by feelings and disappointment. I'm sure if you asked him now why he lost then he will give a more "acceptable" response since he is not in the fallout of the event. If by.hero beats Bisu in the OSL it will be the biggest fluke to have graced Bisu's career, and it will be fucking shameful. I see close to no chance of it happening in light of the Bo5 Bisu vs. Jaedong. 2353 ELO peak people, wtf? How can you overlook his dominance right now and tell me by.hero would be "robbed" if he lost? Fuck that, Wildcard was luck but Bisu also took the hand dealt to him and took it home, facing tougher and more opponents than by.hero did. If he rapes by.hero it will only be the rightful order of things - King taking one more step to the crown, newb getting destroyed in a league and learning lessons from it. GG no re. That pretty much insane. Biggest fluke ever? You're kidding right? The issue I have with the map deal is that hes the first truly dominant player EVER to WHINE about MAPS. Keep in mind that By.hero did recently beat Bisu.. AGAIN in WL, and while that holds little weight please lay off of the noob by.hero and don't treat me like a blind fanboy or anti-fanboy.. i'm not one. Dominant people never complain about things like that and you know it. I know Bisu is the best protoss of all time, I praise his play when he plays well.. he still lost 2-0 to By.Hero in a starleague and got LUCKY having a chance to get back into the starleague. Just because he plays well doesn't mean I have to like him while he does it. I know he's good, I don't flame the guy, but I certainly don't like him. Yes, it would be robbery if By.Hero lost to Bisu, i'm sorry. Playing the same person twice in a tournament and losing the second time is pretty insane. If it had only been a Bo1 I wouldn't even bat an eye at it, but because it was a Bo3 and Bisu got absolutely DESTROYED it kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. The true measure of someones dominance is overcoming things like map imbalance, Flash does it, Savior did it, so Bisu should sure as hell do it. There is no excuse for playing like that and then subsequently losing in the group stages of both starleagues. NONE. Yea, I do like Stork better than Bisu, especially now. I already said his arrogant personality appeals to me, and it still would if he hadn't made that ridiculous excuse. yeah Bisu going 8-0 through the tough OSL tiebreakers was "lucky", he just lucked his way through those 8 games surely i love how people say bisu getting into the OSL via tiebreaker as lucky, and completely dismiss the fact that he won those games to get in. sure the fact that the tiebreaker happened was due to an event (backho's injury) that bisu had nothing to do with, but Bisu was way less lucky in 8-0'ing that strong field than Tester was in getting that crap group.
Not that it matters, but... wasn't it actually 6-0?
Against well... lesser players/slumping players?
So anyway..... I don't think he was referring to the 6-0 or 8-0 tiebreakers (whatever the case may be) as lucky wins. What he said was that Bisu was lucky to actually get a shot at coming back into this StarLeague.
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On March 06 2009 06:23 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 06:15 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 06:05 Jayme wrote:On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". I would rather have an arrogant prick . Pretty much reason enough for most people not to like Bisu, just look at FBH and how many people HATE him. I liked Bisu's attitude until he had the audacity to complain about maps. Arrogant pricks do not complain about maps, ever. That pretty much destroyed his persona for me. Picks an all Zerg group and gets dominated BOTH times and then complains about the maps. I liked Bisu quite a lot before that. If By.Hero loses to Bisu in the OSL I will be so disappointed. To lose to someone you beat 2-0 in the group stages would be nearly highway robbery, especially if it's something like a 2-3 loss. He isn't NEARLY as bad as FBH, it's only the way he says things in interviews, which is translated probably not verbatim since most translations are done on the fly or by people who have a greater mastery of one language than the other. Don't get me wrong, the gist is clear, but the intensity can vary from interview to interview. And even then, who gives a fuck? The guy is indisputably the best Protoss, it's only because of his "attitude" that you want him to not be #1? You would rather have a weaker player who gets stomped on by all 3 races and loses 6/8 finals, just because he is more GM? Please. 11-2 map ZvP + getting raped by a relative newcomer influences your play greatly, even the best player would stumble after that. You think by.hero can rape Bisu in a Bo5 after what Bisu showed against Jaedong? Come on now. He stumbled, and it was because of how he was raped on the maps, blaming the maps is of course only part of the issue but it IS a part of the issue. He never said it was only because of the map, he just listed it as a reason. Of course it's very subjective what you take out of that interview, but he never took any credit away from by.hero, and haters jumped on it saying that because he said something about maps that takes away credit by association or some shit. Even if he was blaming the map entirely, get over it, the map is imba and he got raped, of course he will make excuses for it. Most professional athletes do. It is clearly a reaction right after the fact, influenced by feelings and disappointment. I'm sure if you asked him now why he lost then he will give a more "acceptable" response since he is not in the fallout of the event. If by.hero beats Bisu in the OSL it will be the biggest fluke to have graced Bisu's career, and it will be fucking shameful. I see close to no chance of it happening in light of the Bo5 Bisu vs. Jaedong. 2353 ELO peak people, wtf? How can you overlook his dominance right now and tell me by.hero would be "robbed" if he lost? Fuck that, Wildcard was luck but Bisu also took the hand dealt to him and took it home, facing tougher and more opponents than by.hero did. If he rapes by.hero it will only be the rightful order of things - King taking one more step to the crown, newb getting destroyed in a league and learning lessons from it. GG no re. That pretty much insane. Biggest fluke ever? You're kidding right? The issue I have with the map deal is that hes the first truly dominant player EVER to WHINE about MAPS. Keep in mind that By.hero did recently beat Bisu.. AGAIN in WL, and while that holds little wait please lay off. Dominant people never complain about things like and you know it. If someone like Michael Jordan had done that there would have been such immense outcry... and yes it's rather comparable in domination. I know Bisu is the best protoss of all time, I praise his play when he plays well.. he still lost 2-0 to By.Hero is a starleague and got LUCKY having a chance to get back into the starleague. Just because he plays well doesn't mean I have to like him while he does it. I know he's good, I don't flame the guy, but I certainly don't like him. Yes, it would be robbery if By.Hero lost to Bisu, i'm sorry. Beating the same person twice in a tournament and losing the second time is pretty insane. If it had only been a Bo1 I wouldn't even bat an eye at it, but because it was a Bo3 and Bisu got absolutely DESTROYED it kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. The true measure of someones dominance is overcoming things like map imbalance, Flash does it, Savior did it, so Bisu should sure as hell do it. There is no excuse for playing like that and then subsequently losing in the group stages of both starleagues. NONE. Yea, I do like Stork better than Bisu, especially now. I already said his arrogant personality appeals to me, and it still would if he hadn't made that ridiculous excuse.
Yes, if Bisu loses the Bo5, it will be the biggest fluke in his career. Why? Because by.hero is a newcomer and Bisu is the king of PvZ. It's already a map imbalance and nerve issue that made him lose the first time in the Bo3, which in my opinion is the biggest misstep in his career (outside of his slump) right now, and if he loses the Bo5 it will be an even bigger upset. Savior did have Longinus, so yes, you have a point there, but back then the distance between him and the others was five times greater than the difference between Bisu and other progamers. I don't kid myself, I know Bisu isn't eons ahead of others in SC development and that he isn't comparable to the bonjwas of old. But, he is the best player right now. The map was 11-2 when he played it. That is fucking abysmal. With the level of non-S class pros getting closer and closer to those at the pinnacle, those stats speak much louder than the stats of Longinus back in the day. Flash's dominance back when he invented the Katrina build isn't similar to Bisu's dominance right now, in my opinion. Flash is still relatively under-achieved compared to Bisu. I see merit in the fact that they overcame the map imbalance even if in slightly different conditions, but you have to see the fact that Bisu's situation is different. He got RAPED on an IMBA map by a newcomer. He is the PvZ king. Do you know how that must feel? I'd fucking explode and not be able to play the next game either, and then when I lost the Bo3 you better believe I'll be ranting about the piece of shit map that started me on my downward spiral. Is it admirable? No. Is it GM? No. Is it understandable? Yes. Just because bonjwas of old didn't have this weakness because of their different skill level compared to others, and thus didn't have a chance to react this way, doesn't mean shit. Even if he was BM in every match, every series, he is still the best player right now. Unfortunately that is not the case, so using one series as justifying your hate for a player just makes you seem like a flake. Get over it.
Yes, he got lucky, too bad. He could have gotten lucky and failed, but no, he has RAPED the opposition thus far in the OSL. What does that say? That he belongs there, and the first series was a FLUKE, a fuck-up. End of story. Bisu got beat by Savior in MSL in a map that is 10-4 ZvP right now, almost as bad as 11-2. This concludes the reasons for his eliminations, any questions? (assuming the point I made about the difference between S-class and other gamers at the moment). Bisu is the most dominant player there is right now, and considering the level of competition he has, it is hard to imagine that there could be a player any more dominant at the moment.
It would not be robbery. Whoever wins the series is the better player between the two of them on that day, and if it happens to be Bisu, it is what it is. Jangbi beat Bisu in WL right before their most recent finals, and Bisu still beat Jangbi 3-1. Is that robbery? No, because it doesn't matter if it's in tournament or not, people have off days and good days, good maps and bad maps, in the current climate of BW.
Liking Stork over Bisu is pretty questionable in my opinion, but understandable since it's subjective. Liking Stork's play over Bisu's play right now is insane, and liking him enough to want him to be #1 Toss over Bisu is even more ridiculous. Bisu would have to fail hard and Stork would have to pick up his game hardcore for it to be possible.
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On March 06 2009 06:38 Mooncat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". You don't like him. Period. How does that not make you an anti-fan? You have no support for your argument. Here is the support for mine: Stork has been playing for years longer than Bisu and has a Gold:Silver ratio of 1:3. Bisu has a ratio of 4:1. What does this say? Stork is not an all-around phenomenal player. In terms of consistency, he has that, but 6 silver medals in a row tell me he is a failure under pressure. His recent gold is over Fantasy, who was going for a royal road, i.e. he is new to the scene and he STILL barely held off his relatively amateur TvP by a meager 3-2 margin. Since he got the gold he has been playing like shit, only scraping by wins to advance in OSL and MSL, neither of which he will win because JangBi is better than him and Bisu is better than him, not to mention other players who could probably destroy his face. He is pathetic in his nerves, in his tears, in his silver medals, and his inferiority to JangBi (always) and Bisu (almost always). Bisu deserves to be on the "Protoss Throne," simply because he is the most successful and best all-around Protoss player. Ever. He revamped his PvT and PvP to amazing levels, winning the previous two tournaments almost on those alone, which were considered to be relative his weak point. When was the last time Stork beat a Zerg player in a finals? Never. Why? Because his PvZ sucks and he hasn't done shit about it. Ooooh he beat Yellow and July to get into the OSL quarterfinals. Guess what happened before that though? Bisu raped him. The king of Protoss has to have the PvP skills right now to eliminate the other Dragons who challenge him, and Stork clearly doesn't have that anymore. Bisu tore him a new asshole. Bisu vs. Jaedong; do you think Stork could make a show like that? 5th game aside, no Protoss can do what Bisu did against Jaedong. Bisu vs. Flash, Bo3, Bisu 2-1 Flash. Last two finals settings where Stork met Flash? Absolute rape in Flash's favor. Stork is clearly inferior in all MUs now. Now you may bring up the question of attitude up. Just because Bisu is confident, and gets punished for it sometimes, just means that he aims high and has a clear goal in mind, and he doesn't spare kind words to his opponents because that is his strategy to succeed, and guess what, it WORKS. Stork on the other hand is a pants-pissing coward who cries every time he knows a silver medal is coming up. I would rather have an arrogant prick who gets fucked up once in a while than a GM stage-fright kid who looks like he is socially inept, getting raped 6 times out of 8 in the grand finals. Bisu is the King. Stork polishes his shoes and wears a jester hat. Any questions? BTW I JUST DON'T LIKE HIM. PERIOD. I'M NOT AN ANTI-FAN BTW LOL. Shit... I don't even know which post to quote... Has anyone ever told you that your nick fits you perfectly? Merely "Fanatic" would be an understatement... Must have really hit a nerve there, have I? You just can't stand anyone not liking your baby boy... Well, that's too bad. Because that's how it works in this world. You like some people, you dislike some. It's as simple as that. Tell me if I'm wrong, but did my post contain any analysis of Bisu's skill in comparison to Stork's? Other than "Yes, he plays amazing from time to time" I can't remember talking about Bisu's current skill level at all. The only thing I said was basically that I don't like Bisu and therefore would like to see another guy take the "Protoss Throne". Sadly, we do not live in wishy wishy wonderland, so this won't necessarily happen. Nevertheless I'm hoping for it.
Aren't you so clever? A nick I picked in 5th grade is a perfect reflection of my attitude towards the StarCraft progaming sphere and its members, which I didn't even know of at the time! It's clearly not my foreigner adaptation of my favorite ability in Diablo II! You're a genius.
No, I don't give a fuck about people not liking him for a good reason, which they provide if they rant about it. You provided no such reason, just blind hate with no justification, then saying that you hope a far inferior player takes his place as the most dominant Protoss. As if it's that simple or maleable lol. Tell me if I'm wrong, but is that not what you implied? Oh wait, you just proved my hypothesis in the last statement you made.
You like some people, don't like others, but when you have no support for either direction, and if you did it would be on third-hand knowledge via post-game interviews affected by language barriers and emotional responses to situations, your dislike is baseless. My dislike of stork is based on his ability as a player and his reactions, nerves, etc. directly from him - his face, his posture, his losses in the finals.
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On March 06 2009 06:05 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". I would rather have an arrogant prick . Pretty much reason enough for most people not to like Bisu, just look at FBH and how many people HATE him. I liked Bisu's attitude until he had the audacity to complain about maps. Arrogant pricks do not complain about maps, ever. That pretty much destroyed his persona for me. Picks an all Zerg group and gets dominated BOTH times and then complains about the maps. I liked Bisu quite a lot before that. If By.Hero loses to Bisu in the OSL I will be so disappointed. To lose to someone you beat 2-0 in the group stages would be nearly highway robbery, especially if it's something like a 2-3 loss.
Wait.
So "arrogant pricks 'do not' complain about maps, ever"
Hmmm, really think about that.
Too bad you're not a fan of Bisu anymore.
There's alot of disappointment in your near future.
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On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". You don't like him. Period. How does that not make you an anti-fan? You have no support for your argument. Here is the support for mine: ... BTW I JUST DON'T LIKE HIM. PERIOD. I'M NOT AN ANTI-FAN BTW LOL.
There is a fine difference between liking some player and being a fan of him. The same goes for the opposite.
Maybe you don't feel the difference, but laughing at somebody (with caps) doesn't make you look smarter, quite the opposite.
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NADA!!
He played amazing, like a true S-Class player. Got lucky in Game5 with those scarabs but still could not manage a win. Taking two games from the best PvT in the world right now is fuking incredible much respect. =[[[[[
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On March 06 2009 06:55 adelarge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". You don't like him. Period. How does that not make you an anti-fan? You have no support for your argument. Here is the support for mine: ... BTW I JUST DON'T LIKE HIM. PERIOD. I'M NOT AN ANTI-FAN BTW LOL. There is a fine difference between liking some player and being a fan of him. The same goes for the opposite. Maybe you don't feel the difference, but laughing at somebody (with caps) doesn't make you look smarter, quite the opposite.
It's called mocking. It's not meant to make me look smarter, it's meant to make his baseless statements look more stupid. Whether or not it worked is subjective.
Maybe you don't understand that, but cutting apart someone's satirical statement and claiming it was an ego-boosting statement doesn't make you smarter, quite the opposite.
See what I did there?
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stop talking about bisu in a nada vs jangbi thread
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On March 06 2009 06:52 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 06:38 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 05:59 fanatacist wrote:On March 06 2009 04:50 Mooncat wrote:On March 06 2009 04:09 dekuschrub wrote:
sigh I know that I should root for jangbi since he took out nada...
but i hope stork or forgg win the msl.
or the other side of the bracket would be fine too. I'm rooting for JangBi to win the MSL and by.hero/Jaedong to win the OSL. Stork winning both SLs would be awesome too. I just can't stand seeing Bisu on the "Protoss Throne". Yes, he plays amazing from time to time, but I just don't like him. Period. No, that doesn't make me an "anti-fan". You don't like him. Period. How does that not make you an anti-fan? You have no support for your argument. Here is the support for mine: Stork has been playing for years longer than Bisu and has a Gold:Silver ratio of 1:3. Bisu has a ratio of 4:1. What does this say? Stork is not an all-around phenomenal player. In terms of consistency, he has that, but 6 silver medals in a row tell me he is a failure under pressure. His recent gold is over Fantasy, who was going for a royal road, i.e. he is new to the scene and he STILL barely held off his relatively amateur TvP by a meager 3-2 margin. Since he got the gold he has been playing like shit, only scraping by wins to advance in OSL and MSL, neither of which he will win because JangBi is better than him and Bisu is better than him, not to mention other players who could probably destroy his face. He is pathetic in his nerves, in his tears, in his silver medals, and his inferiority to JangBi (always) and Bisu (almost always). Bisu deserves to be on the "Protoss Throne," simply because he is the most successful and best all-around Protoss player. Ever. He revamped his PvT and PvP to amazing levels, winning the previous two tournaments almost on those alone, which were considered to be relative his weak point. When was the last time Stork beat a Zerg player in a finals? Never. Why? Because his PvZ sucks and he hasn't done shit about it. Ooooh he beat Yellow and July to get into the OSL quarterfinals. Guess what happened before that though? Bisu raped him. The king of Protoss has to have the PvP skills right now to eliminate the other Dragons who challenge him, and Stork clearly doesn't have that anymore. Bisu tore him a new asshole. Bisu vs. Jaedong; do you think Stork could make a show like that? 5th game aside, no Protoss can do what Bisu did against Jaedong. Bisu vs. Flash, Bo3, Bisu 2-1 Flash. Last two finals settings where Stork met Flash? Absolute rape in Flash's favor. Stork is clearly inferior in all MUs now. Now you may bring up the question of attitude up. Just because Bisu is confident, and gets punished for it sometimes, just means that he aims high and has a clear goal in mind, and he doesn't spare kind words to his opponents because that is his strategy to succeed, and guess what, it WORKS. Stork on the other hand is a pants-pissing coward who cries every time he knows a silver medal is coming up. I would rather have an arrogant prick who gets fucked up once in a while than a GM stage-fright kid who looks like he is socially inept, getting raped 6 times out of 8 in the grand finals. Bisu is the King. Stork polishes his shoes and wears a jester hat. Any questions? BTW I JUST DON'T LIKE HIM. PERIOD. I'M NOT AN ANTI-FAN BTW LOL. Shit... I don't even know which post to quote... Has anyone ever told you that your nick fits you perfectly? Merely "Fanatic" would be an understatement... Must have really hit a nerve there, have I? You just can't stand anyone not liking your baby boy... Well, that's too bad. Because that's how it works in this world. You like some people, you dislike some. It's as simple as that. Tell me if I'm wrong, but did my post contain any analysis of Bisu's skill in comparison to Stork's? Other than "Yes, he plays amazing from time to time" I can't remember talking about Bisu's current skill level at all. The only thing I said was basically that I don't like Bisu and therefore would like to see another guy take the "Protoss Throne". Sadly, we do not live in wishy wishy wonderland, so this won't necessarily happen. Nevertheless I'm hoping for it. Aren't you so clever? A nick I picked in 5th grade is a perfect reflection of my attitude towards the StarCraft progaming sphere and its members, which I didn't even know of at the time! It's clearly not my foreigner adaptation of my favorite ability in Diablo II! You're a genius. No, I don't give a fuck about people not liking him for a good reason, which they provide if they rant about it. You provided no such reason, just blind hate with no justification, then saying that you hope a far inferior player takes his place as the most dominant Protoss. As if it's that simple or maleable lol. Tell me if I'm wrong, but is that not what you implied? Oh wait, you just proved my hypothesis in the last statement you made. You like some people, don't like others, but when you have no support for either direction, and if you did it would be on third-hand knowledge via post-game interviews affected by language barriers and emotional responses to situations, your dislike is baseless. My dislike of stork is based on his ability as a player and his reactions, nerves, etc. directly from him - his face, his posture, his losses in the finals.
So I "blindly hate" Bisu now? Just because I don't like him? Well, thanks for pointing that out to me. It really is astonishing where you get all that information from....
Think it through. Is there really a "justification" not to like somebody you don't know personally? I don't think so. There are always reasons for not liking somebody, but rarely is there a real justification. When I say that I don't like Bisu, I have my reasons of course. But those are just opinions, impressions, etc. Nothing that's based on facts. Like you not liking Stork's face for example. So what if I don't like Bisu's face? Would that satisfy you? Fine then. I don't like Bisu's face, his lisping, his style of play, his complaining, his arrogance.... Shall I go on?
No, I didn't imply that I want an inferior player to take the "Protoss Throne". Because when another player takes the "Protoss Throne" he obviously isn't inferior to any other protoss anymore.... That includes Bisu.
Edit: At LosingID8's request, this is my last post in this thread concerning Bisu. It was never my intention to provoke such a huge debate.
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