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CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
February 19 2009 21:04 GMT
#1541
How are people arguing about what is and isn't cheese? Have you ever watched, played, or read about BW before?
Force staff is the best item in the game.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
February 19 2009 21:05 GMT
#1542
its not like he's never gone mm before lol

i suspect it looks remarkably like other progamers going mm
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
February 19 2009 21:07 GMT
#1543
On February 20 2009 06:04 CDRdude wrote:
How are people arguing about what is and isn't cheese? Have you ever watched, played, or read about BW before?

progaming fans that are newer have never seen the time before FE builds and super macro maps, so when you start watching on Longinus, Katrina, Andromeda, and Colosseum, 14cc seems completely standard.
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.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:18:54
February 19 2009 21:16 GMT
#1544
14CC is definitely not cheese, but risky. I'll have to mention it in a more detailed writeup.

On February 20 2009 05:58 Jayme wrote:
See the shock of him going double rax (as if this were a totally uncommon build) is really a showing that Upmagic never really does anything but mech, yea I would have been interested in seeing his MnM push myself.


No, double rax is common, but that's not what he did. He did double cc into double rax.

Nobody does that.

BTW the last mm upmagic used that I remember is when he beat savior on the first byzantium, msl survivor.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
February 19 2009 21:18 GMT
#1545
On February 20 2009 06:16 .risingdragoon wrote:
14CC is definitely not cheese, but risky. I'll have to mention it in a more detailed writeup.

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 05:58 Jayme wrote:
See the shock of him going double rax (as if this were a totally uncommon build) is really a showing that Upmagic never really does anything but mech, yea I would have been interested in seeing his MnM push myself.


No, double rax is common, but that's not what he did. He did double cc into a double rax.

Nobody does that.

BTW the last mm upmagic used that I remember is when he beat savior on the first byzantium, msl survivor.

yeah, 14cc is not actually cheese or risky, but rather completely safe, i'll mention that in my detailed writeup that will bend the laws of time, space, and bw terminology
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.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:20:57
February 19 2009 21:20 GMT
#1546
risk has nothing to do with it

I'll say no more

there's no point discussing it, might as well write everything down
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:26:27
February 19 2009 21:24 GMT
#1547
i don't understand your statement at all. how can something be "definitely not cheese" but "risky"? doesn't that imply that cheese and risk are not synonymous? because they are. unless you complete change what we all have come to accept as the definition of "cheese" i don't see how 14cc can be anything but cheesy.

also, in the live report thread you called a 9pool no gas cheese. how is that cheese but a 14cc is not? did MBCGame forget to tell us about NR15 this time?
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
February 19 2009 21:27 GMT
#1548
I can't believe risingdragoon thinks a long writeup is going to suddenly going to convince everyone that no speed overpool is cheese

glyo
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
February 19 2009 21:30 GMT
#1549
i also can't believe you're amazed at double rax after command center, as if its somehow amazing he builds a second tier 1 production facility. can a terran who 14ccs a lot enlighten us about whether its standard to 2rax after 14cc? it probably is.
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.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:31:28
February 19 2009 21:30 GMT
#1550
I'll say one last thing:

I made the mistake yesterday that all of you are still making

that's all. I'm done here in this thread till I finish.

On February 20 2009 06:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
i also can't believe you're amazed at double rax after command center, as if its somehow amazing he builds a second tier 1 production facility. can a terran who 14ccs a lot enlighten us about whether its standard to 2rax after 14cc? it probably is.


You need to chill out.
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mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
February 19 2009 21:30 GMT
#1551
Fuck Leta, Fuck useless ass all-ining cant give my teammate a hand Luxury, Eh fuck forgg for cheesing, well not really...but I didnt really wanna see forgg or free get eliminated, but I think free is way more likely to do damage than Forgg would. Meh starleagues are sucking. Go Nada!! and I guess forgg if all else fails..but god why flash and why hwasin...this could have been both of their years, but atleast hwasin is still in the osl..

Kinda felt sorry for upmagic after raping savior, then umm losing without really getting to play.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
February 19 2009 21:34 GMT
#1552
On February 20 2009 06:30 .risingdragoon wrote:
I'll say one last thing:

I made the mistake yesterday that all of you are still making

that's all. I'm done here in this thread till I finish.

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 06:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
i also can't believe you're amazed at double rax after command center, as if its somehow amazing he builds a second tier 1 production facility. can a terran who 14ccs a lot enlighten us about whether its standard to 2rax after 14cc? it probably is.


You need to chill out.

14cc = cheese
9p != cheese

no amount of text is going to change that
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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
February 19 2009 21:35 GMT
#1553
Damnit, free, what are you doing...

At least Savior and Lux won.
Zero fighting.
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:41:39
February 19 2009 21:39 GMT
#1554
ok

still writing it, and 14cc is not cheese

not asking you to like it, or hate savior, you just have to wait.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
February 19 2009 21:42 GMT
#1555
On February 20 2009 06:39 .risingdragoon wrote:
ok

still writing it

and 14cc is not cheese

i thought you were done in this thread until you were finished

and today when i went to mcdonalds i ordered a big mac and told them to hold the 14cc, then put a giant pot of 14cc all over my macaroni
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Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:42:44
February 19 2009 21:42 GMT
#1556
Cheese-fest! Alot of fans have to be very upset right about now. Though I think the right people advanced save maybe Leta
.
"If I think, everything is lost"
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:48:56
February 19 2009 21:43 GMT
#1557
On February 20 2009 06:42 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 06:39 .risingdragoon wrote:
ok

still writing it

and 14cc is not cheese

i thought you were done in this thread until you were finished

and today when i went to mcdonalds i ordered a big mac and told them to hold the 14cc, then put a giant pot of 14cc all over my macaroni

lol you're the worst savior fanboy here, you're not satified even when he won (albeit lucky win).

unlike last night I'm calm and thinking straight

settle down if you want to have a conversation
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:50:34
February 19 2009 21:48 GMT
#1558
On February 20 2009 06:43 .risingdragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 06:42 Hot_Bid wrote:
On February 20 2009 06:39 .risingdragoon wrote:
ok

still writing it

and 14cc is not cheese

i thought you were done in this thread until you were finished

and today when i went to mcdonalds i ordered a big mac and told them to hold the 14cc, then put a giant pot of 14cc all over my macaroni

lol you're the worst savior fanboy here

you're not satified even when he won (albeit lucky win).

settle down if you want to have a conversation

lol what are you talking about, if you read anything i write about savior it's way less fanboyish and more realistic than anyone. i have yet to make a 2009 joke, i don't think many savior fans can claim that. i'm thrilled he won (check my posts in the LR thread) and frankly very satisfied that he made the Ro8. hell, i wrote in my blog i would be satisfied if he just qualified for Ro16.

this is the second time you've said settle down, when you're the one who's angry, so angry that your convoluted definition of 14cc=notcheese isn't right that you keep returning to this thread to respond despite saying you won't return until you finish some magical dissertation.

try to keep your nerd rage in check, please. and get off upmagic's nuts, any cheesy noob can do 14cc.
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.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:52:18
February 19 2009 21:51 GMT
#1559
On February 20 2009 06:43 .risingdragoon wrote:

unlike last night I'm calm and thinking straight

settle down if you want to have a conversation


you want to be convinced but good stuff takes time

avoid the mcdonalds jokes, it's pretty obvious who's the angry one

i'm done here till i finish. for reals this time.

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RivetHead
Profile Joined March 2005
United States842 Posts
February 19 2009 21:53 GMT
#1560
On February 20 2009 06:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 06:43 .risingdragoon wrote:
On February 20 2009 06:42 Hot_Bid wrote:
On February 20 2009 06:39 .risingdragoon wrote:
ok

still writing it

and 14cc is not cheese

i thought you were done in this thread until you were finished

and today when i went to mcdonalds i ordered a big mac and told them to hold the 14cc, then put a giant pot of 14cc all over my macaroni

lol you're the worst savior fanboy here

you're not satified even when he won (albeit lucky win).

settle down if you want to have a conversation

lol what are you talking about, if you read anything i write about savior it's way less fanboyish and more realistic than anyone. i have yet to make a 2009 joke, i don't think many savior fans can claim that. i'm thrilled he won (check my posts in the LR thread) and frankly very satisfied that he made the Ro8. hell, i wrote in my blog i would be satisfied if he just qualified for Ro16.

this is the second time you've said settle down, when you're the one who's angry, so angry that your convoluted definition of 14cc=notcheese isn't right that you keep returning to this thread to respond despite saying you won't return until you finish some magical dissertation.

try to keep your nerd rage in check, please. and get off upmagic's nuts, any cheesy noob can do 14cc.


But 14cc isn't cheese? Are you just trying to rile him up or something. NEITHER overpool or 14 cc is cheese, simple as that.
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