• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:25
CET 14:25
KST 22:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
2026 KongFu Cup Announcement3BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains15Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block4GSL CK - New online series18
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Terran AddOns placement
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 KongFu Cup Announcement [GSL CK] Team Maru vs. Team herO
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 ASL21 General Discussion Are you ready for ASL 21? Hype VIDEO Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours IPSL Spring 2026 is here! ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread No Man's Sky (PS4 and PC)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT] TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2472 users

[MSL] Ro16 Week 2-1 - Page 78

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 76 77 78 79 80 82 Next
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
February 19 2009 21:04 GMT
#1541
How are people arguing about what is and isn't cheese? Have you ever watched, played, or read about BW before?
Force staff is the best item in the game.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
February 19 2009 21:05 GMT
#1542
its not like he's never gone mm before lol

i suspect it looks remarkably like other progamers going mm
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
February 19 2009 21:07 GMT
#1543
On February 20 2009 06:04 CDRdude wrote:
How are people arguing about what is and isn't cheese? Have you ever watched, played, or read about BW before?

progaming fans that are newer have never seen the time before FE builds and super macro maps, so when you start watching on Longinus, Katrina, Andromeda, and Colosseum, 14cc seems completely standard.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:18:54
February 19 2009 21:16 GMT
#1544
14CC is definitely not cheese, but risky. I'll have to mention it in a more detailed writeup.

On February 20 2009 05:58 Jayme wrote:
See the shock of him going double rax (as if this were a totally uncommon build) is really a showing that Upmagic never really does anything but mech, yea I would have been interested in seeing his MnM push myself.


No, double rax is common, but that's not what he did. He did double cc into double rax.

Nobody does that.

BTW the last mm upmagic used that I remember is when he beat savior on the first byzantium, msl survivor.
......::::........::::........::::........::::........::::.......::::.......::::... Up☆MaGiC ...::::.......::::.......::::........::::........::::........::::........
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
February 19 2009 21:18 GMT
#1545
On February 20 2009 06:16 .risingdragoon wrote:
14CC is definitely not cheese, but risky. I'll have to mention it in a more detailed writeup.

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 05:58 Jayme wrote:
See the shock of him going double rax (as if this were a totally uncommon build) is really a showing that Upmagic never really does anything but mech, yea I would have been interested in seeing his MnM push myself.


No, double rax is common, but that's not what he did. He did double cc into a double rax.

Nobody does that.

BTW the last mm upmagic used that I remember is when he beat savior on the first byzantium, msl survivor.

yeah, 14cc is not actually cheese or risky, but rather completely safe, i'll mention that in my detailed writeup that will bend the laws of time, space, and bw terminology
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:20:57
February 19 2009 21:20 GMT
#1546
risk has nothing to do with it

I'll say no more

there's no point discussing it, might as well write everything down
......::::........::::........::::........::::........::::.......::::.......::::... Up☆MaGiC ...::::.......::::.......::::........::::........::::........::::........
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:26:27
February 19 2009 21:24 GMT
#1547
i don't understand your statement at all. how can something be "definitely not cheese" but "risky"? doesn't that imply that cheese and risk are not synonymous? because they are. unless you complete change what we all have come to accept as the definition of "cheese" i don't see how 14cc can be anything but cheesy.

also, in the live report thread you called a 9pool no gas cheese. how is that cheese but a 14cc is not? did MBCGame forget to tell us about NR15 this time?
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
February 19 2009 21:27 GMT
#1548
I can't believe risingdragoon thinks a long writeup is going to suddenly going to convince everyone that no speed overpool is cheese

glyo
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
February 19 2009 21:30 GMT
#1549
i also can't believe you're amazed at double rax after command center, as if its somehow amazing he builds a second tier 1 production facility. can a terran who 14ccs a lot enlighten us about whether its standard to 2rax after 14cc? it probably is.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:31:28
February 19 2009 21:30 GMT
#1550
I'll say one last thing:

I made the mistake yesterday that all of you are still making

that's all. I'm done here in this thread till I finish.

On February 20 2009 06:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
i also can't believe you're amazed at double rax after command center, as if its somehow amazing he builds a second tier 1 production facility. can a terran who 14ccs a lot enlighten us about whether its standard to 2rax after 14cc? it probably is.


You need to chill out.
......::::........::::........::::........::::........::::.......::::.......::::... Up☆MaGiC ...::::.......::::.......::::........::::........::::........::::........
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
February 19 2009 21:30 GMT
#1551
Fuck Leta, Fuck useless ass all-ining cant give my teammate a hand Luxury, Eh fuck forgg for cheesing, well not really...but I didnt really wanna see forgg or free get eliminated, but I think free is way more likely to do damage than Forgg would. Meh starleagues are sucking. Go Nada!! and I guess forgg if all else fails..but god why flash and why hwasin...this could have been both of their years, but atleast hwasin is still in the osl..

Kinda felt sorry for upmagic after raping savior, then umm losing without really getting to play.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
February 19 2009 21:34 GMT
#1552
On February 20 2009 06:30 .risingdragoon wrote:
I'll say one last thing:

I made the mistake yesterday that all of you are still making

that's all. I'm done here in this thread till I finish.

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 06:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
i also can't believe you're amazed at double rax after command center, as if its somehow amazing he builds a second tier 1 production facility. can a terran who 14ccs a lot enlighten us about whether its standard to 2rax after 14cc? it probably is.


You need to chill out.

14cc = cheese
9p != cheese

no amount of text is going to change that
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
February 19 2009 21:35 GMT
#1553
Damnit, free, what are you doing...

At least Savior and Lux won.
Zero fighting.
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:41:39
February 19 2009 21:39 GMT
#1554
ok

still writing it, and 14cc is not cheese

not asking you to like it, or hate savior, you just have to wait.
......::::........::::........::::........::::........::::.......::::.......::::... Up☆MaGiC ...::::.......::::.......::::........::::........::::........::::........
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
February 19 2009 21:42 GMT
#1555
On February 20 2009 06:39 .risingdragoon wrote:
ok

still writing it

and 14cc is not cheese

i thought you were done in this thread until you were finished

and today when i went to mcdonalds i ordered a big mac and told them to hold the 14cc, then put a giant pot of 14cc all over my macaroni
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:42:44
February 19 2009 21:42 GMT
#1556
Cheese-fest! Alot of fans have to be very upset right about now. Though I think the right people advanced save maybe Leta
.
"If I think, everything is lost"
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:48:56
February 19 2009 21:43 GMT
#1557
On February 20 2009 06:42 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 06:39 .risingdragoon wrote:
ok

still writing it

and 14cc is not cheese

i thought you were done in this thread until you were finished

and today when i went to mcdonalds i ordered a big mac and told them to hold the 14cc, then put a giant pot of 14cc all over my macaroni

lol you're the worst savior fanboy here, you're not satified even when he won (albeit lucky win).

unlike last night I'm calm and thinking straight

settle down if you want to have a conversation
......::::........::::........::::........::::........::::.......::::.......::::... Up☆MaGiC ...::::.......::::.......::::........::::........::::........::::........
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:50:34
February 19 2009 21:48 GMT
#1558
On February 20 2009 06:43 .risingdragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 06:42 Hot_Bid wrote:
On February 20 2009 06:39 .risingdragoon wrote:
ok

still writing it

and 14cc is not cheese

i thought you were done in this thread until you were finished

and today when i went to mcdonalds i ordered a big mac and told them to hold the 14cc, then put a giant pot of 14cc all over my macaroni

lol you're the worst savior fanboy here

you're not satified even when he won (albeit lucky win).

settle down if you want to have a conversation

lol what are you talking about, if you read anything i write about savior it's way less fanboyish and more realistic than anyone. i have yet to make a 2009 joke, i don't think many savior fans can claim that. i'm thrilled he won (check my posts in the LR thread) and frankly very satisfied that he made the Ro8. hell, i wrote in my blog i would be satisfied if he just qualified for Ro16.

this is the second time you've said settle down, when you're the one who's angry, so angry that your convoluted definition of 14cc=notcheese isn't right that you keep returning to this thread to respond despite saying you won't return until you finish some magical dissertation.

try to keep your nerd rage in check, please. and get off upmagic's nuts, any cheesy noob can do 14cc.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 21:52:18
February 19 2009 21:51 GMT
#1559
On February 20 2009 06:43 .risingdragoon wrote:

unlike last night I'm calm and thinking straight

settle down if you want to have a conversation


you want to be convinced but good stuff takes time

avoid the mcdonalds jokes, it's pretty obvious who's the angry one

i'm done here till i finish. for reals this time.

......::::........::::........::::........::::........::::.......::::.......::::... Up☆MaGiC ...::::.......::::.......::::........::::........::::........::::........
RivetHead
Profile Joined March 2005
United States842 Posts
February 19 2009 21:53 GMT
#1560
On February 20 2009 06:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 06:43 .risingdragoon wrote:
On February 20 2009 06:42 Hot_Bid wrote:
On February 20 2009 06:39 .risingdragoon wrote:
ok

still writing it

and 14cc is not cheese

i thought you were done in this thread until you were finished

and today when i went to mcdonalds i ordered a big mac and told them to hold the 14cc, then put a giant pot of 14cc all over my macaroni

lol you're the worst savior fanboy here

you're not satified even when he won (albeit lucky win).

settle down if you want to have a conversation

lol what are you talking about, if you read anything i write about savior it's way less fanboyish and more realistic than anyone. i have yet to make a 2009 joke, i don't think many savior fans can claim that. i'm thrilled he won (check my posts in the LR thread) and frankly very satisfied that he made the Ro8. hell, i wrote in my blog i would be satisfied if he just qualified for Ro16.

this is the second time you've said settle down, when you're the one who's angry, so angry that your convoluted definition of 14cc=notcheese isn't right that you keep returning to this thread to respond despite saying you won't return until you finish some magical dissertation.

try to keep your nerd rage in check, please. and get off upmagic's nuts, any cheesy noob can do 14cc.


But 14cc isn't cheese? Are you just trying to rile him up or something. NEITHER overpool or 14 cc is cheese, simple as that.
I *heart* bisu, nada, mind, and the lakers
Prev 1 76 77 78 79 80 82 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Team League
12:00
Group B
WardiTV411
IntoTheiNu 2
Liquipedia
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 4: Group D
ByuN vs SHIN
Maru vs Krystianer
Tasteless1420
IndyStarCraft 262
Rex160
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #123
Classic vs CreatorLIVE!
CranKy Ducklings94
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 1420
IndyStarCraft 262
Rex 160
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 57812
Calm 14068
firebathero 5467
Horang2 2391
GuemChi 1990
Jaedong 1500
BeSt 878
EffOrt 649
Mini 429
Stork 325
[ Show more ]
Rush 262
Soma 247
actioN 179
Last 120
Dewaltoss 102
Mind 92
ToSsGirL 76
Backho 52
Sea.KH 52
Barracks 41
Hm[arnc] 39
JulyZerg 36
sorry 31
IntoTheRainbow 29
Nal_rA 18
GoRush 16
ivOry 10
SilentControl 9
Icarus 8
Terrorterran 3
Dota 2
Gorgc6548
XaKoH 267
canceldota115
BananaSlamJamma63
Counter-Strike
byalli682
zeus404
x6flipin374
edward61
kRYSTAL_22
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King90
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor287
Other Games
B2W.Neo2009
Liquid`RaSZi882
Fuzer 183
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream25040
Other Games
gamesdonequick858
ComeBackTV 285
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 16
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 98
• musti20045 22
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP6
• Adnapsc2 5
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 18
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1648
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
3h 36m
BSL
6h 36m
GSL
18h 36m
Wardi Open
22h 36m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
WardiTV Team League
1d 22h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
OSC
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-13
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
BSL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
NationLESS Cup
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.