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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
February 19 2009 10:26 GMT
#581
derr at least this is the match i'm gonna miss when i'm at lunch
SeedyV
Profile Joined November 2008
United States29 Posts
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#582
Flash undefeated in MSL Ro16. What a sick kid.
x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#583
On February 19 2009 19:25 Vivi57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 19:23 AttackZerg wrote:
btw this is my favorite tvt map of all time!

I haven't seen much of it

do the games go to epic dropship chess battles that last an hour?

have u heard of checkers being solved? its spposed to have like 100000000 moves or something. imagine starcraft checkers! thats like 100000000000000000000000000000 moves ^1000000000 power! its gona be way longer than an hour.
Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, when at the cross the Savior made me whole
OSWater
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1343 Posts
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#584
Flash didnt do crazy eyes.
Leta may have a chance.
Douglas is the king of the mountain, and the mountain is great
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#585
On February 19 2009 19:22 Fwmeh wrote:
14cc is cheese imo.


14cc is some pretty serious chesse imho. The only difference to a rush-like kind of cheese is, that it actually LOOKS like a straight up game. But really, if the terran is in the last position you scout, you're pretty much done for. You could that 14cc if it works/is not scouted, is the "safest" cheese of all.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 10:28:06
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#586
On February 19 2009 19:26 inlagdsil wrote:
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On February 19 2009 19:17 Shikyo wrote:
Well... UpMagic should know savior isn't afraid of going for 9pools, he went 9pool speed in the first game. That's why this seems pretty dumb.. Didn't he go 14cc in the last game too? I didn't get to watch it, but I think I read so from a LR. I don't know why he would try to 14cc, though... 9pool seemed pretty likely. If it was against someone like GGPlay who always 12hatches, I'd understand and accept it, but vs savior it seems... silly.

I'm pretty disappointed, but at least savior advances. ^_^

I think Up's reasoning went like this:
People tend to play standard in the last match. They tend to go for the most reasonable builds and hope that they will outplay their opponent.
Now Savior's most comfortable build has historically been 12 hatch->3 hatch muta. It wasn't stupid for Up to expect this kind of play out of Savior. Thus he wanted to eek out an advantage with 14CC, especially since it was a big 4-player map.
Savior's mentality was different. By playing 9pool, he was able to be safe and also control the pace of the game. Knowing that Up would expect a 12 hatch, he also hoped to be facing a super greedy build. 9pool wasn't even a gamble for MJY. It was a smart way of either getting an easy win or a low-risk opening.



9pool is a pretty terrible opening against 1rax cc (done correctly)
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#587
BOs are never luck... map positions, however, are. I think Savior would have won even if it had been cross-positions, though.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#588
flash yellow at 5

leta red at 1
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#589
Game 2 wasn't as one-sided as you think. It really came down to a timing window as Up couldn't allow Savior enough time to get the muta mass going. Even with a 14CC it's damn near impossible to stop a 2 gas Zerg from having map control (unless your name is Fantasy,Flash or Hwasin)
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#590
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mark718
Profile Joined February 2008
United States73 Posts
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#591
On February 19 2009 19:11 Cambium wrote:
It's okay, anti-fans, savior will get raped by ANY one of the other three. lol

I was just thinking how lucky savior is having to play against up, instead of the other six


And Flash would have gotten boned by Up. He's lucky he's playing Leta. :p
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
February 19 2009 10:27 GMT
#592
On February 19 2009 19:20 Lockon Stratos wrote:
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On February 19 2009 19:19 Signet wrote:
On February 19 2009 19:16 astalkulo wrote:
On February 19 2009 19:14 Highways wrote:
On February 19 2009 19:12 astalkulo wrote:
I still can't figure who is going to be #1 this Power Rank Flash or Jaedong


(P)Bisu


I think Flash is ahead for all the games he has played so far this month and the quality

Bisu won GOM against arguably the #2 PvP player and advanced from his OSL group, beating July.

Flash has been raping the shit out of proleague but was eliminated from his OSL group.

Edge Bisu.

Lets not forget that Bisu was eliminated from his MSL group.

True, although I'm assuming that was taken into account in the current PR.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
February 19 2009 10:28 GMT
#593
On February 19 2009 19:24 StRyKeR wrote:
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On February 19 2009 19:23 darktreb wrote:
If game 2 had been a little closer I think it would feel a little different. If game 2 hadn't been so one-sided the reaction probably would have felt more like "Savior scout hax, perfect build, vintage Maestro mind games" but man, game 2 makes it really hard to feel that way.


True that, it's like savior didn't deserve his win.


Lemme put it this way - I'm REALLY REALLY HAPPY that Savior is still in a Starleague. I mean, he hasn't been in RO8 in over a year, right? Coming into tonight, if you had told me Savior advances I would have said "I'll take it, any way I can get it" especially given how good his ZvZ has been lately. But wow, I could never have imagined this, haha.

Now what would really make me happy is a Flash win, then later an epic Savior Flash RO4 matchup in which my head explodes (gotta root for Savior, but man do I love Flash).
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
February 19 2009 10:28 GMT
#594
what happened to colors? observer was like woot.
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
February 19 2009 10:28 GMT
#595
nothing out of the ordinary so far...
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
February 19 2009 10:28 GMT
#596
Flash is still pissed from losing to both Best and Upmagic last night. He is so going to run Leta over. Well, we'll see.
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
February 19 2009 10:28 GMT
#597
as soon as i say that, i see leta sending out a scout before depot even finishes
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
February 19 2009 10:29 GMT
#598
wow. 16% vs. 84%.
isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
February 19 2009 10:29 GMT
#599
LEESSANG!!!!!!!!!! LEESSANG, FAIL AGAIN PLEASE.
KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 10:29:51
February 19 2009 10:29 GMT
#600
oh shit. leta proxying his rax

flash scouting the wrong way
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