This should be a good night. For July, everything is on the line. If he loses now, he is out of the OSL, no more chances. Same for Tester. However, their opponents aren't guaranteed to advance just by winning, it depends week 3-2 results. The winner of Flash v Best, and Kal v Lux advances, period. For all four of them, this is it, right now. I hope we'll have some great games
(This was originally in the other thread, but more people are posting in here, so I'm putting this here as well)
July Tester (nothing against Leta, I just want potential havoc) Flash Luxury
Expecting:
July Leta (even though it's Medusa) Flash Kal (I would have expected Lux to take this a couple days ago, but all of a sudden Kal is on fire and it's his best matchup)
I honestly can't see july losing to any protoss in this situation ...
I mean losing zvp to bisu in a mid-lategame is totally acceptable for ANY zerg, but stork doesn't have the multi-tasking for the multi-phase attacks that bisu does and I think that is the only way to beat july straight up.
On February 18 2009 18:38 AttackZerg wrote: I honestly can't see july losing to any protoss in this situation ...
I mean losing zvp to bisu in a mid-lategame is totally acceptable for ANY zerg, but stork doesn't have the multi-tasking for the multi-phase attacks that bisu does and I think that is the only way to beat july straight up.
July winning today would lead to the first situation in a long time where I'm rooting for Bisu. I like Yarnc, but I'd rather July have the chance of advancing.
On February 18 2009 18:37 Itachii wrote: I voted July Leta Flash Luxury (casted my vote on Lux just before Kal's all-kill, I would probably change it now ~.^
voted that too, I like lux enough that kal's all kill wouldn't change anything
On February 18 2009 18:43 Zzoram wrote: Is the ognHQ cutting out for anyone else?
Me too, but I can live with restarting every now and then for the quality. And the fact that the stream exists at all.
Ya it's annoying to keep hitting play but the stream quality is worth it.
You can change it in vlc settings somewhere so it reconnects automically. Anyway I had the same problem, it died every 15-20s, opened it in WMP and its flawless.
11 Mutalisks heading toward Storks base and he honestly has no Anti-Air to speak of. Stork decides to ignore the mutalisk presence and rushes one of July's bases. Bottom right.
Stork does a zealot counter, can't break the ramp. Hydras countering as Stork retreats. A few mutas hurt and dead, archon out. Stork very behind economically. Stork has storm but mutas snipe HT.
Stork isn't out of the OSL yet. His fate rides on Bisu vs Yarnc now. If yarnc beats Bisu, then Stork is out of the OSL. If yarnc loses to Bisu, then Stork is in tiebreakers with july/yarnc.
On February 18 2009 18:53 Jaksiel wrote: Stork was laughably unprepared for those Mutas.
Go Bisu!
well to be fair, july did snipe his forge. also that allowed july to force stork into wasting storms on his mutas and making an archon, when in reality he really needed those 2 storms to defend against the hydras.
On February 18 2009 18:53 Magic84 wrote: There goes the osl champ.
Not yet. If Bisu beats Yarnc, 3-way tiebreaker for the second spot from the group.
lol, i think bisu will throw it.
I don't think he will. I think Bisu would rather have Stork advance over than july or yarnc. Bisu is an extremely solid PvP player. Jangbi is one of the best pvp players around and Bisu made him look like a newb Besides, a play off gives Bisu more opportunity to study his possible zerg opponents.
On February 18 2009 18:55 Jyvblamo wrote: C'mon Tester, show us why you're known as "What-how-did-this-guy-get-into-the-osl-toss"!
actually I feel sorry for him, that game with Fantasy where he denied his push for so long showed us that this guy actually can be good^^ or at least I thought so.
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
Savior is without a doubt the best zvper of all time. Jaedong and July are about even, but jaedong is much better at zvz and better at zvt.
Then again, theres no real way to prove any of it so it's always debateable.
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
When I say All-Time I'm not stating an opinion, so it has to be savior. Everyone else I could list would techinically be subjective and debatable, savior has the best % vs protoss of all time by a decent margin
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
When I say All-Time I'm not stating an opinion, so it has to be savior. Everyone else I could list would techinically be subjective and debatable, savior has the best % vs protoss of all time by a decent margin
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
When I say All-Time I'm not stating an opinion, so it has to be savior. Everyone else I could list would techinically be subjective and debatable, savior has the best % vs protoss of all time by a decent margin
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
When I say All-Time I'm not stating an opinion, so it has to be savior. Everyone else I could list would techinically be subjective and debatable, savior has the best % vs protoss of all time by a decent margin
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
When I say All-Time I'm not stating an opinion, so it has to be savior. Everyone else I could list would techinically be subjective and debatable, savior has the best % vs protoss of all time by a decent margin
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
When I say All-Time I'm not stating an opinion, so it has to be savior. Everyone else I could list would techinically be subjective and debatable, savior has the best % vs protoss of all time by a decent margin
Why does everyone forget July's ZvP ratio?
The guy hasn't lost a Box to a protoss and has a nearly 70% win rate against them...
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
When I say All-Time I'm not stating an opinion, so it has to be savior. Everyone else I could list would techinically be subjective and debatable, savior has the best % vs protoss of all time by a decent margin
wtf
Savior's peak zvp ELO is 2270. July's peak is 2219. Jaedong's peak is 2204.
july owns toss, thats the truth, savior had amazing streak which ended with the MSL finals vs bisu. best's pvp streak doesnt make him better in this MU than both stork and bisu
I think Savior's absolute invincibility in the matchup for a good year and a half (actually more than that if you subtract Bisu) makes him the best ever, but like others have pointed out, the numbers actually don't have him at #1.
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
When I say All-Time I'm not stating an opinion, so it has to be savior. Everyone else I could list would techinically be subjective and debatable, savior has the best % vs protoss of all time by a decent margin
July vP: 80-37 (68.38%) Savior vP: 63-32 (66.32%)
Well fuck me.
I thought savior was 68% and july 66%
I take that back, julyzerg is the best vP of all time by a decent %
Yes over the course of this many years, 2% is a decent margin...
Edit: I don't care about elo peaks, I care about active gamers, career %'s.
When I look at world champions in chess, I only use elo to compare active vs inactive... Comparing elo peaks of active players, when statistics themselves spell the truth ...... .
I didn't forgot julys ratio, I just flipped it with saviors
On February 18 2009 18:54 Baddieko wrote: stork can't even pvz lol
umm
What exactly could he have done?
He already had to build 4-5 cannons at his front, lost his +1 upgrade and his timing was thrown off.
You expect him when facing a 4 hat hard hydra build, to build 2 cannons in his main also, while getting robo/obs/templar/storm....
Julyzerg completely fucked his build, which is his talent, stork is just fine pvz .... Julyzerg is the second best zerg of all time at beating protoss ...
I'm curious - who do you put #1? Does JD's modern dominance give him the edge over the Maestro's absolute reign of terror?
When I say All-Time I'm not stating an opinion, so it has to be savior. Everyone else I could list would techinically be subjective and debatable, savior has the best % vs protoss of all time by a decent margin
wtf
Savior's peak zvp ELO is 2270. July's peak is 2219. Jaedong's peak is 2204.
exactly, savior was on a big winning streak, thats why his elo in zvp is so high. july is far more consistent in the MU
On February 18 2009 19:05 disciple wrote: july owns toss, thats the truth, savior had amazing streak which ended with the MSL finals vs bisu. best's pvp streak doesnt make him better in this MU than both stork and bisu
Trivia: Savior's longest ZvP winning streak occured after his 0-3 vs Bisu.
July's build was pure genius. He made sure Stork saw the 4hatch before gas so he would skimp on cannons in his main, just so the tech switch to mutas would devastate him.
I told you guys to either change settings in VLC (it was somewhere in advanced settings=>playlist=>>repeat current file) so you don't need to reset it everytime it loses connection, or use WMP, it buffers automically, and seems just to work better heh
On February 18 2009 19:16 Itachii wrote: I told you guys to either change settings in VLC (it was somewhere in advanced settings=>playlist=>>repeat current file) so you don't need to reset it everytime it loses connection, or use WMP, it buffers automically, and seems just to work better heh
Tools -> Playlist -> click the button that says "no repeat" twice so it says "repeat all"
On February 18 2009 19:16 Itachii wrote: I told you guys to either change settings in VLC (it was somewhere in advanced settings=>playlist=>>repeat current file) so you don't need to reset it everytime it loses connection, or use WMP, it buffers automically, and seems just to work better heh
Thanks! (using VLC btw)
I believe you have to restart VLC for it to take effect -_- But it sure is a convenient feature.
On February 18 2009 19:16 Itachii wrote: I told you guys to either change settings in VLC (it was somewhere in advanced settings=>playlist=>>repeat current file) so you don't need to reset it everytime it loses connection, or use WMP, it buffers automically, and seems just to work better heh
Thanks! (using VLC btw)
I believe you have to restart VLC for it to take effect -_- But it sure is a convenient feature.
Leta cleverly drops a tank into Tester's 5 o'lock, and then sneaks vultures in to clean up all the probes and the nexus before testers army makes it back.
Leta takes his 4th at the 9 o'clock, and forces back Testers army in a skirmish in the middle. Tester looks perilously close to missing this window to secure himself the new bases he needs.
If you have stream problems try http://yaoyuan.com/Live.php (works only in IE as far as I know) If you have bad stream just refresh, eventually you will get a good one. It's running perfectly for me.
I thought tester was in good shape after he broke leta's first push, but then one minute later leta's maxed out and tester only has like 120 supply? wtf
I think there is the equivilant of jaedong vs bisu zvp, for tvp, I mean flash is the undisputed best terran in the world, and .... Best's pvt is just evil, I'm going to check his stats brb
Oh dear god. Best was 77% for the year of 2008 pvt (almost identical to his pvp).
On February 18 2009 19:32 darktreb wrote: It'll be really interesting if Hero takes down Fantasy. A tiebreak between Fantasy, Leta, and Hero would be pretty intense.
On February 18 2009 19:32 darktreb wrote: It'll be really interesting if Hero takes down Fantasy. A tiebreak between Fantasy, Leta, and Hero would be pretty intense.
On February 18 2009 19:33 AttackZerg wrote: I think there is the equivilant of jaedong vs bisu zvp, for tvp, I mean flash is the undisputed best terran in the world, and .... Best's pvt is just evil, I'm going to check his stats brb
BeSt has actually lost alot of PvT this year. His PvT might not be what it used to be. We'll see!
On February 18 2009 19:34 ~chut~ wrote: Leta didn't even play well, Tester was just awful. Did he intentionally left half of his giant army on hold position so Leta could detroy it easier ?
the game was already over before then. when tester let leta destory the 5oclock expo he lost 50% of the game, and then when he lost those units + the 12 nexus it was 100% over.
On February 18 2009 19:33 AttackZerg wrote: I think there is the equivilant of jaedong vs bisu zvp, for tvp, I mean flash is the undisputed best terran in the world, and .... Best's pvt is just evil, I'm going to check his stats brb
On February 18 2009 19:32 LosingID8 wrote: flash is going to rape best
Remember their game on collesseum 2? Where Flash didn't scout all game and made like 10 turrets.
Obviously he expected best to do some aggresive shuttle harass but instead best just double expanded and teched hard. Never harassing him once or even tryed to get obs in his base. The turrets were a massive waste of minerals.
Tester made a few basic mistakes. The main one is not leaving his goons in position to guard his expos. Thats just basics. Any solid iccup player will guard their new bases until the cannons come in.
On February 18 2009 19:41 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Tester made a few basic mistakes. The main one is not leaving his goons in position to guard his expos. Thats just basics. Any solid iccup player will guard their new bases until the cannons come in.
Seriously, dont compare Tester to iccup players, lol.
On February 18 2009 19:41 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Tester made a few basic mistakes. The main one is not leaving his goons in position to guard his expos. Thats just basics. Any solid iccup player will guard their new bases until the cannons come in.
Seriously, dont compare Tester to iccup players, lol.
I wasn't.
I was saying he made some basic mistakes that iccup players normally don't make.
It just seemed like the time between game 2 and 3 was a lot more than the time between game 1 and 2. Turns out it was only a few minutes more now that I checked.
Besides, they should cater to my impatience, obviously. Everything's about me.
On February 18 2009 19:41 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Tester made a few basic mistakes. The main one is not leaving his goons in position to guard his expos. Thats just basics. Any solid iccup player will guard their new bases until the cannons come in.
Seriously, dont compare Tester to iccup players, lol.
I wasn't.
I was saying he made some basic mistakes that iccup players normally don't make.
On February 18 2009 19:41 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Tester made a few basic mistakes. The main one is not leaving his goons in position to guard his expos. Thats just basics. Any solid iccup player will guard their new bases until the cannons come in.
Seriously, dont compare Tester to iccup players, lol.
I wasn't.
I was saying he made some basic mistakes that iccup players normally don't make.
that's because Tester is exceedingly bad
Haha well against someone like leta I'm sure a lot of people would look real bad
Wait I have a question, best went for 2 base arbiters because he's behind tech and he knows he's behind tech....? Did I get it right? He went 2 base arbiters not because he wants to be the arbiter version of rock, it was because he was behind tech and needed a comeback.
Jeeeez, Flash is a beast @ getting those mass early tanks and starting a fast push/attack. I remember how well he macro'd in that series against Bisu, game 1 @ neo-chupyonryeoung and Bisu just barely managed to macro up enough + attack in the nick of time to bust it.
I'm sure Bisu/Best trained/consulted a lot about this match, bisu maybe telling him to go for fast arbs.. Best was a monster in breaking that early contain.. it seemed real rough. Now that arbs are out, he'll prolly try for a fast recall.
Go Best!!!
edit: just seen the early recall in the back of flash's base.. ya, Best has got this. You could see in on Flash's face when they sneaked a peek at him. Despair yo. ^ ^ motherF'ing goooo SKT1 PROTOSS
On February 18 2009 20:04 Infinity.SkyLark wrote: Wait I have a question, best went for 2 base arbiters because he's behind tech and he knows he's behind tech....? Did I get it right? He went 2 base arbiters not because he wants to be the arbiter version of rock, it was because he was behind tech and needed a comeback.
Show me the last game when best didn't go 2base arbs against Terran. Then we can take that argument over again.
On February 18 2009 20:06 CDRdude wrote: Flash has no map presence, no gas at his natural, and about five tanks. It's not looking good for the Child Labor terran.
Flash trying to get back into the game with some vulture harass, but Best doesn't have any openings. Flash pushing outside his natural. I really hope he can come back, and make this into a long game.
On February 18 2009 20:08 CDRdude wrote: Flash trying to get back into the game with some vulture harass, but Best doesn't have any openings. Flash pushing outside his natural. I really hope he can come back, and make this into a long game.
nobody comes back vs best ... no tvp ... not ever.
On February 18 2009 20:04 Infinity.SkyLark wrote: Wait I have a question, best went for 2 base arbiters because he's behind tech and he knows he's behind tech....? Did I get it right? He went 2 base arbiters not because he wants to be the arbiter version of rock, it was because he was behind tech and needed a comeback.
Show me the last game when best didn't go 2base arbs against Terran. Then we can take that argument over again.
That said, Flash didn't read him well enough.
Hmm never realized that before......and dang, flash didn't realize that...
God I remember the stork interview after he beat best during the semi's of the last last OSL, he watched the SKT1 vods on medusa and realized that everyone from T1 always did 2 gate robo obs, so he went 4 gate......darn.
On February 18 2009 20:03 Shikyo wrote: Why would flash try to push like that when he could easily win by turtling on 2 bases? Sigh, I'll never understand progamers.
Flash looks so depressed. Honestly, I feel bad for him - I'm happy Doh Jaewook made it through, but against Flash it's kind of sad, especially today after WL games.
Flash 5 fact timing push should have destroyed the natural just before arbiter came out, but Best did a good job in splitting his army so he can soften the push imo.
On February 18 2009 20:11 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: 2 base arbs was the perfect counter for what flash did. If best double expanded he wouldve lost.
I don't think Best intentionally countered what Flash did.
Best has gone 2 base arbiter for his last what, 10 PvT matches at least. I also have to wonder why flash did this build then though.
Maybe not, no way of knowing. He did have obs though.
And even then maybe its mindgames. If what you say is true maybe flash thought "he couldnt possibly do the same strat again he must know that I'll try to counter it, so I'll counter his counter."
Yes seriously, why would flash need to be cautious of Best's reaver harass? Even if Best WOULD go that route, which he never does, he is not good at it anyway. I wonder if Flash tried to think too many steps ahead that time.
Fuck this, this is so fucking stupid Flash will probably take msl and jd probably take osl now, split leauges like they did a few seasons ago ughhh this is so stupid flash is getting overplayed, hes come out this month and raped but is burning out,
On February 18 2009 20:15 Vasoline73 wrote: I mean never getting his freaking NATURAL GAS!?!?
After Flash's push was broken he actually had like 700 gas. Also, his push failed for a lack of Vultures if anything (it was the Zealots that ran him over). It actually was the right play for the push....
I'm kinda sick of people blaming everything and anything other than flash's play.
Flash made a huge mistake, a big part of his army was sitting on mines. Best had a lot of speed zeals and as you could just see most of those mines blew up right on flash's army.
Best played very well. He delayed the push effectively from getting to the high ground until it was too late.
But wasn't pushing itself the mistake T_T Isn't the counter to 2 base toss just turtling and maxing out, teching to vessels and upgrades? He even scouted the lack of a third multiple times?
The whole point is that Flash's play would've been better on this map if he had more time to practice on it, but he had to worry about practicing for winner's league maps as well because of his shitty teammates. Does Best have this problem? NO.
On February 18 2009 20:20 disciple wrote: I want a terran to win this OSL, Bisu would be fine too, just not JD
Whats wrong with JD ò.ó
some ppl hate Bisu, I hate Jd
i hate both >>
/me drinks some more hatorade. WHOOOOO
but i think i want either best or one of the terrans to win as well (not that i really like terrans in general but the ones who made it to this osl are all ones i happen to like, proly the only ones i like actually lol >>)
On February 18 2009 20:23 bubblegumbo wrote: The whole point is that Flash's play would've been better on this protoss biased map if he had more time to practice on it, but he had to worry about practicing for winner's league maps as well because of his shitty teammates. Does Best have this problem? NO.
Even worse, Luxury didn't even play to help him out because he was focusing purely on his OSL game, yet Flash was forced to play 4 games in Winnersleague.
man this is bullshit, flash has played 21 games this month going 17-4, and 2 of those where to drop the osl he rapes the likes of leta, jd, hwasin, really, sangho, kal, notice, lecaf, ace then randomly loses to best so deserving yet so jewed by ktf coaching staff, they deserve to be hanged
On February 18 2009 20:23 bubblegumbo wrote: The whole point is that Flash's play would've been better on this protoss biased map if he had more time to practice on it, but he had to worry about practicing for winner's league maps as well because of his shitty teammates. Does Best have this problem? NO.
Even worse, Luxury didn't even play to help him out because he was focusing purely on his OSL game, yet Flash was forced to play 4 games in Winnersleague.
Flash's play would have been better had he watched Best vs Light, or Best vs Hwasin.
IMHO, Best's 2base arb builds are the best there are right now. I think that his builds on Andromeda and Colloseum is the best way to play those maps PvT, better than what Stork or Jangbi has thought up. But even as good as they are, they are not free-win, and doing the same build over and over really need to be punished.
Kal used the pylon to block the cannons from being attacked, Lux uses 6 drones to jump 2 over the minerals and attack the warpnig cannons. Overall, 1 drone is killed.
On February 18 2009 20:30 CDRdude wrote: Kal used the pylon to block the cannons from being attacked, Lux uses 6 drones to jump 2 over the minerals and attack the warpnig cannons. Overall, 1 drone is killed.
3 Drones were killed.
In return Luxury does a runby with 6 lings and is now in Kal's main
On February 18 2009 20:28 GinNtoniC wrote: Weird, my stream works just fine.
what stream? all mine are really slow or not loading T_T
top "VLC stream" loaded into windows media player. Now Lux is ripping up Kal's main with 6 lings. Kal has nothing to defend. Last zergling eventually taken out but Kal only has 6-7 probes left. Lux clearly back ahead
Yeah good job luxury why don't you win a proleague game against some two bit zerg so Flash might not have to play FOUR FUCKING GAMES PRIOR TO THIS OSL SET.
On February 18 2009 20:31 AttackZerg wrote: Kal is impossibly behind now
not impossibly, but very much behind yes. It's going to be at least 5-6 minutes before he can make any form of good push. Lux could even go for a 4th bsae if he feels like taking the chance.
On February 18 2009 20:31 AttackZerg wrote: Kal is impossibly behind now
not impossibly, but very much behind yes. It's going to be at least 5-6 minutes before he can make any form of good push. Lux could even go for a 4th bsae if he feels like taking the chance.
Luxury has to fail fucking hard if he loses this, so hard his coach takes his license away and moves him to the D-team of KTF ..
On February 18 2009 20:32 General Nuke Em wrote: Yeah good job luxury why don't you win a proleague game against some two bit zerg so Flash might not have to play FOUR FUCKING GAMES PRIOR TO THIS OSL SET.
This it shows that he hasent practiced at all for WL but just for osl
Losing Flash and Lux would have been just too much. Lux >>> Kal in entertainment value for this OSL. Join the ranks Lux! Jaedong, Lux and hopefuly July, challenge the Bee! :-)
On February 18 2009 20:31 AttackZerg wrote: Kal is impossibly behind now
not impossibly, but very much behind yes. It's going to be at least 5-6 minutes before he can make any form of good push. Lux could even go for a 4th bsae if he feels like taking the chance.
On February 18 2009 20:31 AttackZerg wrote: Kal is impossibly behind now
not impossibly, but very much behind yes. It's going to be at least 5-6 minutes before he can make any form of good push. Lux could even go for a 4th bsae if he feels like taking the chance.
On February 18 2009 20:31 AttackZerg wrote: Kal is impossibly behind now
not impossibly, but very much behind yes. It's going to be at least 5-6 minutes before he can make any form of good push. Lux could even go for a 4th bsae if he feels like taking the chance.
I play starcraft.
If I say impossibly behind, its a fact.... sorry
wtf arrogancy
no, it was a fact. There is nothing toss can do when they are that far behind. They can't even tech the only option is to build 4-5 cannons at each base .... because they is NO timing.
Luxury wins due to Kal's stupidity, what a joke. A great straight up pvz player opting to cheese instead of playing his usual game.Stork should've cheesed, not Kal. The irony.
well damn gg yo I missed the 1st two, which were kinda dissapointing anyway - stork losing and no surprise that TeSter bit it. I actually was looking forward to the Best v Flash match though, and i'm glad I tuned in right on time to catch it.
too bad for Kal, but I think it's really give-n-take on these things. Like you know, he did do an all-kill on CJ in the Winners League.. 4-0.. I'd take that sense of accomplishment anytime. He defeated 1 P, 2 Z's and a T in 1 setting. I think it's more respectable than a single game. (although Kal knew his risk in taking a cheese-rush)
[B]too bad for Kal, but I think it's really give-n-take on these things. Like you know, he did do an all-kill on CJ in the Winners League.. 4-0.. I'd take that sense of accomplishment anytime. He defeated 1 P, 2 Z's and a T in 1 setting. I think it's more respectable than a single game. (although Kal knew his risk in taking a cheese-rush)
I'm confident that Kal would prefer still being in OSL to getting an all-kill.
On February 18 2009 20:32 General Nuke Em wrote: Yeah good job luxury why don't you win a proleague game against some two bit zerg so Flash might not have to play FOUR FUCKING GAMES PRIOR TO THIS OSL SET.
This it shows that he hasent practiced at all for WL but just for osl
Haha, Kal kind of just handed that win to Luxury.
But yes, I agree, it's a real shame that Flash has basically gotten no support lately. He actually came really close to going 0-3 in OSL. More than the loss to Best, the loss to UpMagic really really hurts ... that's a game that I think Flash wins for sure if he has time to prepare for it, even having seen the recent UpMagic Flash games.
The KTF coaching staff really needs to figure out how to handle their only true star. Going 17-4 in the first 18 days of a month does not deserve to be 2 games away from not making RO8 of either league. Guess what KTF coaches, some losses count for more than others!
On February 18 2009 20:43 MrHoon wrote: KTF preserves their failure tradition of having the worst coaches in Progaming history since 1999
Do gamers like jaedong and flash that constantly get fucked by there teams ever complain about it?
I mean the idea of a team is too train right .... well maybe its me but I rather win starleagues then have a good record in proleague, do players have any rights in contract or otherwise to train. Otherwise I see the poorly managed teams , ktf-oz ruining their stars careers...
On February 18 2009 20:43 MrHoon wrote: KTF preserves their failure tradition of having the worst coaches in Progaming history since 1999
Do gamers like jaedong and flash that constantly get fucked by there teams ever complain about it?
I mean the idea of a team is too train right .... well maybe its me but I rather win starleagues then have a good record in proleague, do players have any rights in contract or otherwise to train. Otherwise I see the poorly managed teams , ktf-oz ruining their stars careers...
They never outright complain about it, but the coaches sure as hell say things like "Well flash is suffering right now that's why we bought shine"
They know, they just don't do anything about it. Koreans hate KTF coaching staff for a reason. OZ isn't nearly as bad off in comparison.
On February 18 2009 20:43 MrHoon wrote: KTF preserves their failure tradition of having the worst coaches in Progaming history since 1999
Do gamers like jaedong and flash that constantly get fucked by there teams ever complain about it?
I mean the idea of a team is too train right .... well maybe its me but I rather win starleagues then have a good record in proleague, do players have any rights in contract or otherwise to train. Otherwise I see the poorly managed teams , ktf-oz ruining their stars careers...
Oz staff is incredible, as far as Hwaseung is concerned you can pretty much blame the players who aren't performing well as supporting cast members (ForGG, Backho).
On February 18 2009 20:43 MrHoon wrote: KTF preserves their failure tradition of having the worst coaches in Progaming history since 1999
Do gamers like jaedong and flash that constantly get fucked by there teams ever complain about it?
I mean the idea of a team is too train right .... well maybe its me but I rather win starleagues then have a good record in proleague, do players have any rights in contract or otherwise to train. Otherwise I see the poorly managed teams , ktf-oz ruining their stars careers...
Oz staff is incredible, as far as Hwaseung is concerned you can pretty much blame the players who aren't performing well as supporting cast members (ForGG, Backho).
hmm
I think the coach and jaedong have said in at least 4 of his starleague appearances they weren't able to schedule him practice time because of proleague ....
Actually vs Kal last week jaedong himself said that after all-killing
Hoping for UpMagiC to take the Terran torch. Leta can eat dust for all I care. by.hero > Fantasy into by.hero + Fantasy going through :-) Won't be the same without Flash anyway! Flash :-( But I can't really be unhappy with Bisu, JD and Lux going through, possibly July to join!
On February 18 2009 20:58 MrHoon wrote: Oz staff has been awarded the "Best staff of 2008" awards.
KTF on the otherhand had their 3rd staff fired lol
Well its not like they are using different approaches in WL they send out Flash and Jaedong last , because they want them to have less opponents to play so that they don't get overworked , but it seems to fail as the rest of the team doesn't deliver the necessary wins ... What else can they do ?
On February 18 2009 20:58 MrHoon wrote: Oz staff has been awarded the "Best staff of 2008" awards.
KTF on the otherhand had their 3rd staff fired lol
Well its not like they are using different approaches in WL they send out Flash and Jaedong last , because they want them to have less opponents to play so that they don't get overworked , but it seems to fail as the rest of the team doesn't deliver the necessary wins ... What else can they do ?
You think coaching is all about deciding when to send everyone out?
On February 18 2009 20:58 MrHoon wrote: Oz staff has been awarded the "Best staff of 2008" awards.
KTF on the otherhand had their 3rd staff fired lol
Well its not like they are using different approaches in WL they send out Flash and Jaedong last , because they want them to have less opponents to play so that they don't get overworked , but it seems to fail as the rest of the team doesn't deliver the necessary wins ... What else can they do ?
You think coaching is all about deciding when to send everyone out?
On February 18 2009 21:33 monstar123 wrote: GJ Best, you deserve it. OSL tit is yours,at least Bisu's
Yes a slumping best deserves beating out the best player in the world with his every fucking game 2 base arbs, carriers are to rock what arbs are to best or however that saying goes
On February 18 2009 21:33 monstar123 wrote: GJ Best, you deserve it. OSL tit is yours,at least Bisu's
Yes a slumping best deserves beating out the best player in the world with his every fucking game 2 base arbs, carriers are to rock what arbs are to best or however that saying goes
dont be so harsh mate, Flash forced best to play that way, I'm sure DJW had smth else in mind, but he had to adapt, he was calm enough to wait for his first arb to come out and macroed just enough zealots to break the push, I dont see what better he could do to counter flash's strat. On side note flash must leave KTF, seriously
But what's everyone got against Best's Arbiters? You have to get some tech vs Terran, and Best used his gas to get Arbs instead of Templars. I don't see any problem with that.
And as for
On February 18 2009 21:38 Scaramanga wrote: Yes a slumping best deserves beating out the best player in the world with his every fucking game 2 base arbs,
if you put it like that, this was one of the best players in the world eliminating another one of the best players in the world. The way he broke that push was awesome, and not many players could have withstood it.
How can you be happy about flash dropping out of an OSL? It's not like he dropped due to Jaedong or Bisu, the only 2 other players that are not a "bad" trade for his spot, he dropped against "overrated, boring and can't PvZ for shit "Best"".
I much rather have had Kal in this OSL (and that has nothing to do with him being on STX, it's just that his games are more entertaining... Hell, I would trade Best for Backho in an eye blink).
I really can't stand Terran as a race, but seeing Flash drop to this scrub because of a stupid BO1 annoys me to no end.
On February 18 2009 21:33 monstar123 wrote: GJ Best, you deserve it. OSL tit is yours,at least Bisu's
Yes a slumping best deserves beating out the best player in the world with his every fucking game 2 base arbs, carriers are to rock what arbs are to best or however that saying goes
Guess Best isn't slumping that hard.
Flash, on the other hand, is UpMagicing all day long...
On February 18 2009 21:33 monstar123 wrote: GJ Best, you deserve it. OSL tit is yours,at least Bisu's
Yes a slumping best deserves beating out the best player in the world with his every fucking game 2 base arbs, carriers are to rock what arbs are to best or however that saying goes
how much I love irrational losing player's fanboy hate hahaha
On February 18 2009 23:17 Velr wrote: How can you be happy about flash dropping out of an OSL? It's not like he dropped due to Jaedong or Bisu, the only 2 other players that are not a "bad" trade for his spot, he dropped against "overrated, boring and can't PvZ for shit "Best"".
I much rather have had Kal in this OSL (and that has nothing to do with him being on STX, it's just that his games are more entertaining... Hell, I would trade Best for Backho in an eye blink).
I really can't stand Terran as a race, but seeing Flash drop to this scrub because of a stupid BO1 annoys me to no end.
Thats too harsh. BeSt might not have been doing too good recently but I think his macro oriented TvP style is very entertaining. Calling him a "scrub" is ignorant, both Bisu and Boxer tipped him as the next Bonjwa in separate interviews not too far back.
On February 18 2009 23:17 Velr wrote: How can you be happy about flash dropping out of an OSL? It's not like he dropped due to Jaedong or Bisu, the only 2 other players that are not a "bad" trade for his spot, he dropped against "overrated, boring and can't PvZ for shit "Best"".
flash played like crap and deserved to be knocked out, period. If it wasnt for hwasin's sloppy late-game, flash would've finished this group with a superb 0-3. And Best is too cool for school, flash isnt. pz~
If anyone saw Merz vs. Dreiven on SCforall: I may be mistaken, but I think that Best went with that same kind of build, as in staying off of two bases and massing up. As a Terran player, you aren't supposed to push into that.
Omg! Just realised... This results means that July can only hope to advance if Bisu defeats yellow. This means that if I want to see July progress, I must cheer for Bisu! OH NOES!!!1 On one hand I would love to see the Hungry Zerg in the finals again, on the other hand cheering for Bisu goes against my principles!1 Oh, cruel destiny.
Its not even irrational hate with best, he literally goes 2 base arbitors every game into recalls over the factories or nearby, every game literally, like pretty much no variation whatsoever...Its almost dumb to see him come out on top of Flash in this manner, like I wouldnt even blame lack of practice because he umm does the same thing. Just unfortunate to see flash out of the osl, quite the shame. I guess Im rooting for Hwasin or July(hopefully Bisu doesnt go and fuck this up, again).
Hwasin fucking blows and he hope he gets owned by upmagic.
And Flash.... well who cares about OSL, as long as he advances through MSL tomorrow I don't care, playing 2 league's at a time 1 day apart is ridiculous by any standard.
On February 19 2009 02:57 JohnBall wrote: Omg! Just realised... This results means that July can only hope to advance if Bisu defeats yellow. This means that if I want to see July progress, I must cheer for Bisu! OH NOES!!!1 On one hand I would love to see the Hungry Zerg in the finals again, on the other hand cheering for Bisu goes against my principles!1 Oh, cruel destiny.
I don't know about the rest of you, but as a Bisu fan I just begin cackling maniacally when I read this post.
Uh Luxury lost a ZvZ, that does happen...and Hwasin doesnt suck, he deserves a title, so does Midas and Sea for that matter, but I cant help but like the classic terran with insane TvZ mnm skills, read: not upmagic.
edit: Flash has no "worst" matchup, hes one of those players that or so good, you cant really state they have a "worst" matchup you can only point to statistically insignificant difference, but TvT would probably be the easiest for him to lose in a straightup fashion, according to himself, but by no means is it his worst match up.
Does anyone find it really funny that, when Flash first broke into the scene, his only major weakness was Carriers (hello Flash vs Stork on Python)?
Then he turns to 'revolutionize' the match-up somewhat by making an anti-carrier build? Nether the less I personally think it's still his weakest match-up, although as stated above, the match-up stats in the TLPD are kind of inflated because of his first 6 months being awful vs P.
-.- Well..Stork vs July was a gimmie Stork's vZ is weak while July is on a vP killing spree ..
amazing..Tester had Medusa and still lost to Leta well that could go both ways.. either Tester sucks monumentally or Leta is just a beast
No suprises on BeST vs Flash.. The lost to Hwasin was just a hiccup to BeST and i still do believe that best has the "best" PvT and PvP amongst all toss players
it is his worse matchup, just because he's still a monster in it doesn't mean its still his worse : P
What do you want me to say? That I've seen his tvp from the beginning? And you've only seen some numbers? What is a .44% suppose to mean?
It's in the game, dude.
Flash's known for 2 things - debuting on a 9-0 run vP, gets destroyed by stork's carriers, then coming back stronger than ever with a killer build. It's pretty obvious his vP was something back then when protoss destroyed all the terrans except him.
Look at his stats on PvT heaven medusa: 7-1. Medusa PvT total is 35-15, Flash has half the wins for Terran on Medusa. Need I go on?
His weakest is clearly vZ, he's dropped the most starleague series to zergs.
daum osl - BO5 loss 2-3 ggplay (royal road blocked) gomtv msl 4 - BO5 loss 1-3 jaedong ever osl 08 - BO3 loss 0-2 luxury incruit osl - BO3 loss 1-2 ggplay (again) clubday msl - BO3 loss 0-2 yellow-arnc
You guys are fags. Best played amazing vs Flash. Everyone knows in the early mind games and opening builds, Flash totally raped Best. The fast robo failed, nexus cancel, shitty goon range cancel to bite him on the ass, and ... well that's a lot of early game failure. Flash obv makes a few turrets cuz the most logical thing would be Best to counter reaver drop buy time and get expo up and reclaim some lost advantage. Even by this point, with his CC faster than the Nexus and him throwing off Best's early game, Flash was definately in great shape. Then the 5 fact push came. And it doesn't get countered by 2base arb. This is a build to hit and kill a 2 base arb. Arbs are SLOWWW. They probably take like a command center lenght to build or something shitty. If Best had to macro, he coulda easily easily ran 6 smooth gate from 2 base. THAT, is the build that smashes this 5 fact nonsense. Instead he chose 4+star, allowing Flash to set up outside. Then the tension was super thick, and Best even waited for an arbiter (I dunno why though, it didn't really help breakt he contain) and then did one of those WTF Best moments. Yeah he has those. All kinds. Best is a very WTF gosu.
Plus, he has never failed at OSL group stages, and even Flash won't change that.
Besides that, I wanted to say watching Tester lose like that on Medusa... what a terrible way to start getting ready to retire. I made too much fun of that man over the years T.T I'm sorry Tester. I wish Leta didn't work you so hard. It was really really sad to watch. YOU SHOULDA EXPOED UP TOP YOU NOOB... god. =(
Also, LOLOLOL FLASH YOUR ASS GOT RAPED BY BEST'S ONE BUILD ON THE HARDEST MAP FOR P~!!! KYAKYAKYAKAYKYAKYAKAYA
it is his worse matchup, just because he's still a monster in it doesn't mean its still his worse : P
What do you want me to say? That I've seen his tvp from the beginning? And you've only seen some numbers? What is a .44% suppose to mean?
It's in the game, dude.
Flash's known for 2 things - debuting on a 9-0 run vP, gets destroyed by stork's carriers, then coming back stronger than ever with a killer build. It's pretty obvious his vP was something back then when protoss destroyed all the terrans except him.
Look at his stats on PvT heaven medusa: 7-1. Medusa PvT total is 35-15, Flash has half the wins for Terran on Medusa. Need I go on?
His weakest is clearly vZ, he's dropped the most starleague series to zergs.
daum osl - BO5 loss 2-3 ggplay (royal road blocked) gomtv msl 4 - BO5 loss 1-3 jaedong ever osl 08 - BO3 loss 0-2 luxury incruit osl - BO3 loss 1-2 ggplay (again) clubday msl - BO3 loss 0-2 yellow-arnc
What now you are going to pick and choose which matches we can include so that your statement is true?
Again I agree that he is a monster and I repeat an absolute MONSTER in TvP he destroys most Protoss players, but you cannot argue the numbers, you cannot start taking out matches just so that your argument is true. Maybe you need to be more specific in your argument and say CURRENTLY his best match up is TvP according to recent stats. But you did not mention any of that in your post. That is like me saying that Bisu's best matchup is PvP or PvT because currently he has been winning all those, but we all know that he is known for PvZ. But currently his PvZ has been lacking somewhat.
On February 19 2009 06:14 SuperJongMan wrote: Also, LOLOLOL FLASH YOUR ASS GOT RAPED BY BEST'S ONE BUILD ON THE HARDEST MAP FOR P~!!! KYAKYAKYAKAYKYAKYAKAYA
<3, BeSt deserves a bit more love lately. WL has been ugly for him...hopefully he's just channeling his gosu for an OSL title.
it is his worse matchup, just because he's still a monster in it doesn't mean its still his worse : P
What do you want me to say? That I've seen his tvp from the beginning? And you've only seen some numbers? What is a .44% suppose to mean?
It's in the game, dude.
Flash's known for 2 things - debuting on a 9-0 run vP, gets destroyed by stork's carriers, then coming back stronger than ever with a killer build. It's pretty obvious his vP was something back then when protoss destroyed all the terrans except him.
Look at his stats on PvT heaven medusa: 7-1. Medusa PvT total is 35-15, Flash has half the wins for Terran on Medusa. Need I go on?
His weakest is clearly vZ, he's dropped the most starleague series to zergs.
daum osl - BO5 loss 2-3 ggplay (royal road blocked) gomtv msl 4 - BO5 loss 1-3 jaedong ever osl 08 - BO3 loss 0-2 luxury incruit osl - BO3 loss 1-2 ggplay (again) clubday msl - BO3 loss 0-2 yellow-arnc
What now you are going to pick and choose which matches we can include so that your statement is true?
Again I agree that he is a monster and I repeat an absolute MONSTER in TvP he destroys most Protoss players, but you cannot argue the numbers, you cannot start taking out matches just so that your argument is true. Maybe you need to be more specific in your argument and say CURRENTLY his best match up is TvP according to recent stats. But you did not mention any of that in your post. That is like me saying that Bisu's best matchup is PvP or PvT because currently he has been winning all those, but we all know that he is known for PvZ. But currently his PvZ has been lacking somewhat.
FlaSh's TvP hasn't been lacking at all, and it is still much better and more impressive than all of his other match-ups so I don't see your points.
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
flash's tvp record should be understood in the context of his peer terrans. i dont think anyone has a consistently stronger record vs p as does flash during the last year or so. on pure ability too, flash is obviously among the most talented players in history.
On February 19 2009 04:10 ZoW wrote: Lol if I were Bisu I would purposely lose so it makes things easier =P
It doesn't make things easier for him since it forces him to play Jaedong in the next round.
no it doesn't, it gives him a 1/3 chance of playing jaedong.
That's a risk I don't think Bisu is really willing to take you know. As far as Zergs go Jaedong is extraordinarily dangerous for Bisu, I really don't see him intentionally getting an early Bo5 against him. Jaedong is really the one zerg that nullifies Bisu's greatest strength, his multitasking.
On February 19 2009 04:10 ZoW wrote: Lol if I were Bisu I would purposely lose so it makes things easier =P
It doesn't make things easier for him since it forces him to play Jaedong in the next round.
no it doesn't, it gives him a 1/3 chance of playing jaedong.
That's a risk I don't think Bisu is really willing to take you know. As far as Zergs go Jaedong is extraordinarily dangerous for Bisu, I really don't see him intentionally getting an early Bo5 against him. Jaedong is really the one zerg that nullifies Bisu's greatest strength, his multitasking.
i'm just saying that guy is misinformed.
i seriously doubt he has any incentive to throw the game, though. jaedong is a confirmed #1 seed, and his teammates best and fantasy are favorites to take #1 seeds. also there's a matter of pvz pride.
On February 19 2009 04:10 ZoW wrote: Lol if I were Bisu I would purposely lose so it makes things easier =P
It doesn't make things easier for him since it forces him to play Jaedong in the next round.
no it doesn't, it gives him a 1/3 chance of playing jaedong.
That's a risk I don't think Bisu is really willing to take you know. As far as Zergs go Jaedong is extraordinarily dangerous for Bisu, I really don't see him intentionally getting an early Bo5 against him. Jaedong is really the one zerg that nullifies Bisu's greatest strength, his multitasking.
i'm just saying that guy is misinformed.
i seriously doubt he has any incentive to throw the game, though. jaedong is a confirmed #1 seed, and his teammates best and fantasy are favorites to take #1 seeds. also there's a matter of pvz pride.
this is the Bisu that threw Flash, Jaedong, Hwasin and FBH in the same MSL group he also decided not to pick Flash for his OSL group
..i'm pretty sure Bisu is not worried too much about his pride, rather winning the freaking tourny
fbh, jaedong, and hwasin were already in the same group. and you know, no one picked flash for their osl group.
and everything i wrote before "pvz pride" is in accord with your point, anyway - i was saying how it wouldn't be beneficial to throw the game given his potential opponents. but it won't really make much of a difference either way.
On February 19 2009 04:10 ZoW wrote: Lol if I were Bisu I would purposely lose so it makes things easier =P
It doesn't make things easier for him since it forces him to play Jaedong in the next round.
no it doesn't, it gives him a 1/3 chance of playing jaedong.
That's a risk I don't think Bisu is really willing to take you know. As far as Zergs go Jaedong is extraordinarily dangerous for Bisu, I really don't see him intentionally getting an early Bo5 against him. Jaedong is really the one zerg that nullifies Bisu's greatest strength, his multitasking.
i'm just saying that guy is misinformed.
i seriously doubt he has any incentive to throw the game, though. jaedong is a confirmed #1 seed, and his teammates best and fantasy are favorites to take #1 seeds. also there's a matter of pvz pride.
this is the Bisu that threw Flash, Jaedong, Hwasin and FBH in the same MSL group he also decided not to pick Flash for his OSL group
..i'm pretty sure Bisu is not worried too much about his pride, rather winning the freaking tourny
You would have rather had a Stork Bisu Flash Jaedong group for OSL? :-/
On February 19 2009 04:10 ZoW wrote: Lol if I were Bisu I would purposely lose so it makes things easier =P
It doesn't make things easier for him since it forces him to play Jaedong in the next round.
no it doesn't, it gives him a 1/3 chance of playing jaedong.
That's a risk I don't think Bisu is really willing to take you know. As far as Zergs go Jaedong is extraordinarily dangerous for Bisu, I really don't see him intentionally getting an early Bo5 against him. Jaedong is really the one zerg that nullifies Bisu's greatest strength, his multitasking.
i'm just saying that guy is misinformed.
i seriously doubt he has any incentive to throw the game, though. jaedong is a confirmed #1 seed, and his teammates best and fantasy are favorites to take #1 seeds. also there's a matter of pvz pride.
this is the Bisu that threw Flash, Jaedong, Hwasin and FBH in the same MSL group he also decided not to pick Flash for his OSL group
..i'm pretty sure Bisu is not worried too much about his pride, rather winning the freaking tourny
You would have rather had a Stork Bisu Flash Jaedong group for OSL? :-/
admit it you would have liked it :D
you know what fuck it a JD stork Bisu Flash SEMI"S WOULD BE BETTER
On February 19 2009 04:10 ZoW wrote: Lol if I were Bisu I would purposely lose so it makes things easier =P
It doesn't make things easier for him since it forces him to play Jaedong in the next round.
no it doesn't, it gives him a 1/3 chance of playing jaedong.
That's a risk I don't think Bisu is really willing to take you know. As far as Zergs go Jaedong is extraordinarily dangerous for Bisu, I really don't see him intentionally getting an early Bo5 against him. Jaedong is really the one zerg that nullifies Bisu's greatest strength, his multitasking.
i'm just saying that guy is misinformed.
i seriously doubt he has any incentive to throw the game, though. jaedong is a confirmed #1 seed, and his teammates best and fantasy are favorites to take #1 seeds. also there's a matter of pvz pride.
this is the Bisu that threw Flash, Jaedong, Hwasin and FBH in the same MSL group he also decided not to pick Flash for his OSL group
..i'm pretty sure Bisu is not worried too much about his pride, rather winning the freaking tourny
You would have rather had a Stork Bisu Flash Jaedong group for OSL? :-/
admit it you would have liked it :D
you know what fuck it a JD stork Bisu Flash SEMI"S WOULD BE BETTER
On February 19 2009 07:09 Zozma wrote: Bisu has more honor than that, I think... rather than trying to fix things, he'll at least do his best in every game.
Wow, Flash lost because KTF pushes him waaaaaaaaay to much. They should just suck it up and lose a few WL matches and give flash a break. Best barely has to play any games compared to flash. I'm not saying best played badly, he played very well, I am just saying that this would've went alot different if flash isn't pushed so much.
On February 19 2009 14:44 fearus wrote: I thought pro-gamers trained/played games for 10-12+ hours a day, 6 days a week.
How is flash playing 3 WL games overworked?
Because we're obviously only blinded enough to look at today's games. He's played 21 games in this month and there's still 10 days left. By comparison, Bisu plaed 23 in the entire last month and he played a Bo5. ?
On February 19 2009 14:44 fearus wrote: I thought pro-gamers trained/played games for 10-12+ hours a day, 6 days a week.
How is flash playing 3 WL games overworked?
Because uh, he actually played FOUR WL games because his team is absolutely full of failure.
He consistently has to play 3-4 WL games because again, his team is full of fail. Flash plays so many games that he really doesn't have to time to practice for his individual leagues and basically has to carry his team on his back.
While Luxury goes right on and makes it after losing to a zerg he had no right losing to at all.
On February 19 2009 14:44 fearus wrote: I thought pro-gamers trained/played games for 10-12+ hours a day, 6 days a week.
How is flash playing 3 WL games overworked?
it's not that he's overworked in a fatigued sense (maybe he is, but there's no way to tell for sure), it's that he has to practice all the matchups on most of the maps, which not only dilutes his quality of training, but also takes away practice time from individual leagues.
now, to be fair though flash has it among the worst, every good progamer, in leagues, suffers from this to some extent because of the nature of the format.
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