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Melbourne5338 Posts
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Great banners! Well done!
Rooting for forGG and Leta !!!
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Zurich15328 Posts
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I'm rooting for ZerO... but I don't know if he can make it out of a group of terran. 
Also fOrGG!
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51449 Posts
WOW THAT INTRO WAS AWESOME
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Cattlebruisers, carriers and mutas flying in the intro
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I missed the beginning. Who is red, who is white?
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Leta = red
ForGG = white i believe
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it says i'm missing the necessary codec on GOM player... anyone know where i can get it?
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live report any1? 
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great wraith micro!
On September 18 2008 18:48 plaszczka wrote:live report any1?
I have to go ver soon but so far:
ForGG went 1 fact CC while Leta went 1 fact starport.
It felt like Leta was behind because forGG timings was spot on with acad/armory but he had some amazing wraith micro and hurt forgg's econ quite much. They are both at three base with forgg trying to pull contain on leta
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Traded armies
both with no army right now
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Lots of fighting happening outside Leta's nat, both are running 3 bases. I'd say fOrGG is ahead due to having Leta fairly contained.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
hmm i dont see any streams being listed on teh side lol :|
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
oh wait nvm its showing now
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Failed drop for Leta, fOrGG stopped his 4th. Leta broke the contain at his nat but fOrGG showed up with reinforcements and is walking over Leta. Leta GGs.
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Forgg is way ahead, no way he can lose this
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I see the tab on the right, but when I click nothing happens... :\
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Kang Min baller in the crowd!
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On September 18 2008 19:00 Nintu wrote:
I see the tab on the right, but when I click nothing happens... :\
save the file (playlist.php) and open it on VLC
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I get a browser timeout and also nothing happens :/
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lol, I find it hilarious how many fewer people are staying up watching the MSL as compared to the OSL.
Anyway...wow, ForGG pulled off quite a comeback...I thought he was too far behind considering how much Leta's wraiths were harassing him for.
...goes to show how much I understand TvT... -___-
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Finally a stream that's working for me. Thanks a lot.
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I cant see the link in the "Streams" tab.
Can anyone plz just post the ip?
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great daum, just skipped ahead and missed like 5 min...
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
rofl that ad was aweosme hahahah
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
wow cool intro : O!!1 all 3d and crazy shit
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On September 18 2008 19:02 dyodyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 19:00 Nintu wrote:
I see the tab on the right, but when I click nothing happens... :\ save the file (playlist.php) and open it on VLC
I m using daum right now, when I used to save the playlist file I just get a notification that it timeouted...
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Zero looking kind of nervous
Iris not looking too fresh
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Iris has got this, don't even trip.
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GOD THE INTRO WAS AWESOME
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Zero top left
Iris bottom right
Diag positions
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Game starting! Byzantium 2... ZerO at 10 o'clock, Iris at 4 o'clock.
Oh, guess there's other LRs. Good, I'm bad at it. xD
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Cross positions are gonna favor zerg a little bit...give him a bit more time to get hive tech.
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Zero going 12 hatch at his natural
1 rax for iris, probably going to FE once it's finished, no player has scouted eachother yet.
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no 5pool = no chances for zero ^^
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
On September 18 2008 19:02 PH wrote:
lol, I find it hilarious how many fewer people are staying up watching the MSL as compared to the OSL.
Anyway...wow, ForGG pulled off quite a comeback...I thought he was too far behind considering how much Leta's wraiths were harassing him for.
...goes to show how much I understand TvT... -___-
It's not about MSL and OSL, it's about players. Yesterday were JulyZerg, Bisu, Midas and Luxury and today they are broadcasting some unpopular guys.
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Lair beginning for Zero, after skipping ling speed,
Iris has FE'd on 1rax
2 raxes for Iris
Spire for Zero
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Ouch...things are not looking good for our zerg friend already...his two hatch is scouted, and loses an overlord.
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On September 18 2008 19:19 Bifur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 19:02 PH wrote:
lol, I find it hilarious how many fewer people are staying up watching the MSL as compared to the OSL.
Anyway...wow, ForGG pulled off quite a comeback...I thought he was too far behind considering how much Leta's wraiths were harassing him for.
...goes to show how much I understand TvT... -___- It's not about MSL and OSL, it's about players. Yesterday were JulyZerg, Bisu, Midas and Luxury and today they are broadcasting some unpopular guys.
Hmm, that's true. I dunno why I didn't think of that...lol.
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3rd hatch going down, some lings running around iris's base, doing no damage after being picked off by marines.
Iris heading out with 1 group of MnM, mutas out for zero
Iris sensing mutas puts his MnM at his nat while turreting up his main and nat mineral lines. mutas just running around, doing no damage. Iris has too many turrets. And is army at the base of turrets.
Iris pushes out now, scares zero a fair bit. Queens nest up for zero, hHive starting.
Iris finally pushing across the map now, mutas harassing. Iris adding 2 more raxes for 5.
What was 2 groups of MnM has been picked off by mutas, though zero did loose quite alot.
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mutas doing hardly any damage...
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wow i love you zatic, that script owns
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Nice muta control takes out all of Iris' marines and medics from the first attack before they reach ZerO's corner of the map.
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wow...Iris just stabbed himself in the hand.
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medics ran out of energy?
Iris got his group of M&M destroyed
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but he knows about the guards
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Greater spire up, ZerO taking 4th.
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Iris has his factory finished and is getting 3 ports. No sign of a sci facility.
GREATER SPIRE for zero, getting his fourth.
Wraiths for iris
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Guardians done, keeping Iris in his base. Iris getting wraiths from 3 ports.
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Zero got greater spire...and nearly loses his morphing guards...lol.
ok...so three ports were for wraiths to counter guards.
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oh hell, going guards was epic fail :D
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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ZerO types out.
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I think a fast greater spire like that just doesn't work on this map...
I was hoping to see some crazy zerg shit with ultras and all that...not this nonsense...haha.
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What happened was that Iris perfectly countered the guards with 3port wraith with cloak.
Zero was trying to contain with muta guard and ling, iris had something like 8 wraith a couple groups of MnM and just pushed through the contain. Once his contain was broken zero GGed
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Well done ForGG and Iris, I hope they both make it out.
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I didn't see the colours, but I think Iris is orange at 7, with Forgg at 3 and red.
Forgg = 2 fact
Iris = 1fact 1port
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Iris getting cloak, neither player has expoed.
Iris set 3 marines + 2 vults to harass, forgg dealt with it with no SCV loss.
Wraith flys in, but forgg guessed it and has already made some gols. Acad being made for forgg, wraith trying to kill the scv making it, gets 1 kill before another finishes it off, has killed about 4-5 Scvs including the one making forggs nat CC
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forgg pushing with 3~ tanks 4~ gols and a couple vults, setting up a contain. Iris floating in a cc to his nat with setting up 5 tanks in seige to prevent forggs contain from pushing
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forgg kills the neutral allowing access to the cliff behind the main, tanks wars and forgg has free reign over the cliff, forces iris to lift his port
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Wow. This is the most retarded map ever...officially.
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4 fact for iris, looks like for 4 for forgg as well
Iris taking his third
forgg doing the same
iris gas is getting his gass tanked and looks to be on the ropes as forgg just keeps reinforcing his tanks on the high ground
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forgg pushing into iris's nat, GG
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
: ( : ( IRIS BETTER WIN GAME VS whoever
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Does anyone else share my opinion that that was an incredibly lame game? The cliff abusing made it one-sided to the point of ludicrousness...-____-
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On September 18 2008 19:54 PH wrote:
Wow. This is the most retarded map ever...officially.
that access to high ground at the main is pretty imba
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Why can't it be that ForGG used the well to his adv instead of the map is gay?
The map presents interesting dynamics in TvT aggresion and many other mus im sure.
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On September 18 2008 19:59 SuperJongMan wrote:
Why can't it be that ForGG used the well to his adv instead of the map is gay?
The map presents interesting dynamics in TvT aggresion and many other mus im sure.
Where we disagree is where you think that cliff is an interesting dynamic. Personally, I think it's imbalanced.
In TvT, of all matchups, I see it as being ridiculously hard to bust that cliff once the other guy has it in his mind to abuse it that badly. Maybe if the gas were out of reach of the cliff, then yeah...but seriously? How do you break that that early in the game? IMO, they either need to close it off and take out the ramp, or add a LOT more hit points to that temple and/or block the ramp with the minerals. It's too easy to get that ramp too early in the game.
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Leta walls in
Zero 12 hatch 12 pool
Leta getting a factory
Edit: my stream is lagging heaps, I'm not going to be live reporting anymore
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sunken break successful, expo going down. this is gg
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Poor Zero. Nice vulture, though.
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boring ass game... vulture with 10+ kills
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
poor zero : ( llol feel kinda bad for him
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letas build was cooler, but forgg ... is a fucking stud.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
SWEET IRIS LOLOL
4/4 F*** YEA
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lol, lame conclusion to the day. Ok! Homework time!
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error iris , I misunderstood the players lol
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the brackets look really weird, looks like if they both win their next match, they will meet again in the round after that, weird that they arent placed on opposite sides of the bracket
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On September 18 2008 20:37 Chanted wrote:
the brackets look really weird, looks like if they both win their next match, they will meet again in the round after that, weird that they arent placed on opposite sides of the bracket
MSL bracket system has always done that.
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Hell yeah ForGG and Iris!! Great job IRIS FOR MY FANTASY MSL!!
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1/4 today.. was expecting upsets for today, looks like i were wrong... I'm happy Iris advances anyway ^^
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Our Bonjwa candidate didn't Royal Road....
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holy shit forgg when did you become such a fucking beast. Imma forgg fan and even i expected him to have a hard time cause hes in a group with 2 tvt specialist plus he just won a msl he could slump. But no he just breezes through this group. Forgg really improved his tvt
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FUCK YEAH
Both of my favorite terrans advanced!!!!
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On September 18 2008 20:03 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 19:59 SuperJongMan wrote:
Why can't it be that ForGG used the well to his adv instead of the map is gay?
The map presents interesting dynamics in TvT aggresion and many other mus im sure. Where we disagree is where you think that cliff is an interesting dynamic. Personally, I think it's imbalanced. In TvT, of all matchups, I see it as being ridiculously hard to bust that cliff once the other guy has it in his mind to abuse it that badly. Maybe if the gas were out of reach of the cliff, then yeah...but seriously? How do you break that that early in the game? IMO, they either need to close it off and take out the ramp, or add a LOT more hit points to that temple and/or block the ramp with the minerals. It's too easy to get that ramp too early in the game.
How can a mirror matchup be imbalanced? .. jesus. Abuse it as well as you can.
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I think that's the easiest 4/4 I ever had in my LB history 
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where can we see the msl opening?
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I WANNA SEE THE INTRO!!!
also there is no clubday MSL thread yet?
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On September 19 2008 00:42 Naib wrote:I think that's the easiest 4/4 I ever had in my LB history
same
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what do you think guys, which is forgg weakest matchup?
One month ago I would have said that Tvt, but now it seems that tvp.
What do you think?
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United States7488 Posts
On September 19 2008 01:48 ray1234 wrote:
I WANNA SEE THE INTRO!!!
also there is no clubday MSL thread yet?
It's been up for a week
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United States10328 Posts
aww dude leta didn't make it
but forgg + berserker is ok :D
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YES! no more leta
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Russian Federation386 Posts
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On September 18 2008 20:03 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 19:59 SuperJongMan wrote:
Why can't it be that ForGG used the well to his adv instead of the map is gay?
The map presents interesting dynamics in TvT aggresion and many other mus im sure. Where we disagree is where you think that cliff is an interesting dynamic. Personally, I think it's imbalanced. In TvT, of all matchups, I see it as being ridiculously hard to bust that cliff once the other guy has it in his mind to abuse it that badly. Maybe if the gas were out of reach of the cliff, then yeah...but seriously? How do you break that that early in the game? IMO, they either need to close it off and take out the ramp, or add a LOT more hit points to that temple and/or block the ramp with the minerals. It's too easy to get that ramp too early in the game.
BBBAAAWWAAGABABABA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....
...... ...... I'm sorry.
TvT Imba.
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Iris YES.
I was pretty nervous when I saw Leta's fact, but I didn't see Iris' at 1st. OMG that switch to goliaths was so awesome!
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On September 19 2008 02:33 freelander wrote:
what do you think guys, which is forgg weakest matchup?
One month ago I would have said that Tvt, but now it seems that tvp.
What do you think? It is still his tvt, without doubt.
But weakness is relative.
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On September 19 2008 00:28 freelander wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 20:03 PH wrote:On September 18 2008 19:59 SuperJongMan wrote:
Why can't it be that ForGG used the well to his adv instead of the map is gay?
The map presents interesting dynamics in TvT aggresion and many other mus im sure. Where we disagree is where you think that cliff is an interesting dynamic. Personally, I think it's imbalanced. In TvT, of all matchups, I see it as being ridiculously hard to bust that cliff once the other guy has it in his mind to abuse it that badly. Maybe if the gas were out of reach of the cliff, then yeah...but seriously? How do you break that that early in the game? IMO, they either need to close it off and take out the ramp, or add a LOT more hit points to that temple and/or block the ramp with the minerals. It's too easy to get that ramp too early in the game. How can a mirror matchup be imbalanced? .. jesus. Abuse it as well as you can.
The map, buddy. I'm saying the MAP is imba. -_____-;;
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<3 Berserker always, but was kinda hoping Leta would make it instead of Forgg.
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United States20661 Posts
On September 19 2008 13:37 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2008 00:28 freelander wrote:On September 18 2008 20:03 PH wrote:On September 18 2008 19:59 SuperJongMan wrote:
Why can't it be that ForGG used the well to his adv instead of the map is gay?
The map presents interesting dynamics in TvT aggresion and many other mus im sure. Where we disagree is where you think that cliff is an interesting dynamic. Personally, I think it's imbalanced. In TvT, of all matchups, I see it as being ridiculously hard to bust that cliff once the other guy has it in his mind to abuse it that badly. Maybe if the gas were out of reach of the cliff, then yeah...but seriously? How do you break that that early in the game? IMO, they either need to close it off and take out the ramp, or add a LOT more hit points to that temple and/or block the ramp with the minerals. It's too easy to get that ramp too early in the game. How can a mirror matchup be imbalanced? .. jesus. Abuse it as well as you can. The map, buddy. I'm saying the MAP is imba. -_____-;;
All maps are meant to be 'imbalanced' in some strategic way or another, if you take imbalanced to mean some strategies being inherently superior. Not all strategies are meant to be valid on all maps; otherwise there'd be no point in making new maps.
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On September 19 2008 13:37 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2008 00:28 freelander wrote:On September 18 2008 20:03 PH wrote:On September 18 2008 19:59 SuperJongMan wrote:
Why can't it be that ForGG used the well to his adv instead of the map is gay?
The map presents interesting dynamics in TvT aggresion and many other mus im sure. Where we disagree is where you think that cliff is an interesting dynamic. Personally, I think it's imbalanced. In TvT, of all matchups, I see it as being ridiculously hard to bust that cliff once the other guy has it in his mind to abuse it that badly. Maybe if the gas were out of reach of the cliff, then yeah...but seriously? How do you break that that early in the game? IMO, they either need to close it off and take out the ramp, or add a LOT more hit points to that temple and/or block the ramp with the minerals. It's too easy to get that ramp too early in the game. How can a mirror matchup be imbalanced? .. jesus. Abuse it as well as you can. The map, buddy. I'm saying the MAP is imba. -_____-;; When a map is called imbalance, it is called imbalance with regards to a particular matchup. If not this, then care to elaborate on what you mean?
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On September 19 2008 13:37 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2008 00:28 freelander wrote:On September 18 2008 20:03 PH wrote:On September 18 2008 19:59 SuperJongMan wrote:
Why can't it be that ForGG used the well to his adv instead of the map is gay?
The map presents interesting dynamics in TvT aggresion and many other mus im sure. Where we disagree is where you think that cliff is an interesting dynamic. Personally, I think it's imbalanced. In TvT, of all matchups, I see it as being ridiculously hard to bust that cliff once the other guy has it in his mind to abuse it that badly. Maybe if the gas were out of reach of the cliff, then yeah...but seriously? How do you break that that early in the game? IMO, they either need to close it off and take out the ramp, or add a LOT more hit points to that temple and/or block the ramp with the minerals. It's too easy to get that ramp too early in the game. How can a mirror matchup be imbalanced? .. jesus. Abuse it as well as you can. The map, buddy. I'm saying the MAP is imba. -_____-;;
Well, we need a larger sample size and examples before saying it's imbalanced, because the presence of a cliff near your base doesn't always make it imbalanced. I doubt any zerg player would allow the tanks to have free reign over the temple. I don't know about protoss though, I don't think the protoss gets contained too often to surrender such large map control. It could be, we'll have to see more games.
On a sidenote, you already lost this argument since a staff member doesn't agree with your opinion.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Iris vs Zero proves something that's been fairly common knowledge for a while now
Lower level zergs really shouldn't try to outsmart Iris, cuz they arent gonna
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fOrGG vs 
ZerO on Byzantium 2
