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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
May 15 2008 16:38 GMT
#281
Proof that Canata is actually good at TvT (remember when he beat Flash, 10 games ago?)
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-15 17:21:16
May 15 2008 17:20 GMT
#282
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 15 2008 19:03 GMT
#283
Canata has always shown very high level TvT. His TvZ is inconsistent, one of the very best when he's on, and "average" when he's off. His TvP has been a chronic weakness.

The results of this group were pretty predictable. The only unpredictable match IMO was Luxury vs Sea on Athena.

Poor Upmagic just had the bad luck of getting stuck in a group where he'd have Terran killers in both his games.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
drftsx
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States152 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-15 19:51:52
May 15 2008 19:51 GMT
#284
wow i thought for sure luxury would advance.

anywho, go sea!
blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
May 15 2008 21:16 GMT
#285
Shoulda known Canata would win. He always wins for some reason.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 16 2008 00:28 GMT
#286
On May 15 2008 22:24 Wonders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 21:00 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
and its not a matter one 'one less ultra for a defiler and he'd win ez ez ez ez'

You have to get the mound, consume, plague, and as many defilers as it takes while the terran irradiates everything in sight. He couldn't skimp on ultras or he'd be totally fucked, and that means he'd have to skimp on scourge, which means he'd lose anyway.


Did you see how many ultras he had at one point? At least 10. If defiler mound and consume would cost the same as one. Plague wouldn't be needed. A defiler would cost the same as another. More ultras might be better in the time after an ultra cavern finishes because about 7 ultras are better than 4 ultras and 2 defilers when the armies are small, and the extra force early on might briefly give you stronger map control long enough to enable taking another expo, for example. But when the armies are so big defilers are a must.


the point you're missing is that Luxury wouldn't have had enough defilers to properly defend AND attack, especially if he didn't research plague. Sea's army was MASSIVE, and split in several different places. He always had sufficient defense at his nat and his middle expansions, as well as a large army roaming around the map. With so many vessels (even though he lost a bunch, he had so much gas they were easy to replace), there is absolutely no way Luxury could have held off Sea's repeated attacks with defilers. Additionally, without Plague, Luxury wouldn't be able to do any significant damage to Sea either. It costs a Terran nothing but time to lift a command center and irradiate the defilers and ultralisks under the swarm. And while he's doing that, he can attack somewhere else because if Luxury is attacking he sure as fuck doesn't have gas for defensive defilers at home, because he'll need to replace the ultralisks he lost.

Sea's aggressiveness against Luxury's expansions won him that game, and it was over before Defiler could or would become a factor.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-16 00:30:17
May 16 2008 00:28 GMT
#287
On May 16 2008 01:38 jwd241224 wrote:
Proof that Canata is actually good at TvT (remember when he beat Flash, 10 games ago?)


Canata has always been very, VERY good at TvT. Even when he was playing like total ass he was capable in TvT.

I definitely hoped that Sea would win, but this group played out pretty much how I thought it would. Sea vs Luxury on Colosseum was a lock in my mind, Canata would beat UpMagic, and then Sea vs Canata would be a coin toss. If Sea won, Luxury would advance past UpMagic and Canata. If Canata won, Sea would advance past Luxury in the final game. Lo and behold, that's what happened
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
May 16 2008 01:26 GMT
#288
Would you consider Luxury's insistence on taking the far right expo a mistake? He eventually realized that he couldn't hold it, so he took the one cloes to his third, which was defendable. But by then the game was already over.

If he took that base to begin with, he's be at 4 gases and while in the long run, Sea probably woulda wittled him down, he woulda put up a better fight
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Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
May 16 2008 01:30 GMT
#289
poor lux tho hes in danger of dropping out of both leagues, although in osl noone messes with my man julyzerg, you pick him for "freewin" karma sends your brother into same group AND makes you drop out of both leagues not to mention getting totally outplayed by that "freewin"
OMG you nasty gurl
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
May 16 2008 10:31 GMT
#290
Theme of Group G is cheese. I don't think I've seen as many cheese in 1 group before.
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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
May 16 2008 10:31 GMT
#291
Ha @ last game. I really think Luxury could had gotten defilers. It's probably the timing of the tech switch which is hard. Like people often mentioned, it's only minus 1-2 ultras to have defiler tech. When he won in the open field with 10 ultralisk, that would had been a good time to get defilers. Throwing away ultralisk at Sea's expo didn't help.
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