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On April 30 2008 21:14 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2008 21:08 Kwark wrote:On April 30 2008 21:03 Orome wrote:On April 30 2008 21:00 Kwark wrote:On April 30 2008 20:58 Orome wrote:
Did Sea lose that many SCVs? Can't see another reason why he'd GG that early. He hadn't taken the nat inside his main and had 3 or so factory against 6 gateway. No way is was taking map control back from that situation. 3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran is a very common situation that's slightly in favour of Protoss. Obviously he was behind, but it wasn't resignable just yet. No, 3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran where the Terran has like 5 factories and has been massing units is common and just on the protoss side. 3 base protoss vs 2 base terran where the protoss has far more production facilities, map control and just utterly destroyed your army is a gg scenario. JangBo could double expand, go carriers and still stop Sea from expanding. He really had no options. His push didn't get utterly destroyed, Jangbi barely managed to break it. Obviously Sea was in a tough position, but it wasn't as hopeless as you make it out to be. Anyway, there's nothing more to argue here really as we both only have a rough estimation of the game situation without the replay and those rough estimations just happen to differ.
dude he was way behind... no way he coulda won that with his few facts... he just had no army production while jangbi had lots of it and no units left and outexped... ez gg
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On April 30 2008 21:14 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2008 21:08 Kwark wrote:On April 30 2008 21:03 Orome wrote:On April 30 2008 21:00 Kwark wrote:On April 30 2008 20:58 Orome wrote:
Did Sea lose that many SCVs? Can't see another reason why he'd GG that early. He hadn't taken the nat inside his main and had 3 or so factory against 6 gateway. No way is was taking map control back from that situation. 3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran is a very common situation that's slightly in favour of Protoss. Obviously he was behind, but it wasn't resignable just yet. No, 3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran where the Terran has like 5 factories and has been massing units is common and just on the protoss side. 3 base protoss vs 2 base terran where the protoss has far more production facilities, map control and just utterly destroyed your army is a gg scenario. JangBo could double expand, go carriers and still stop Sea from expanding. He really had no options. His push didn't get utterly destroyed, Jangbi barely managed to break it. Obviously Sea was in a tough position, but it wasn't as hopeless as you make it out to be. Anyway, there's nothing more to argue here really as we both only have a rough estimation of the game situation without the replay and those rough estimations just happen to differ.
you're forgetting the part where sea lost his first like 5 or 6 tanks and more than 12 scvs from DTs, and had to lift off his CC for a while as jangbi had 3base running.
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XellOs scouts diagonally at first and then finds Daezang second. Marines deny the scout probe of Daezang and goons deny the scout scv of XellOs. Daezang getting fast range so no crazt tech stuff. 4 marines out from XellOs, I've not counted scvs on gas but I expect a FE from terran.
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XellOs taking his nat and has a tank out and machine shop spinning. Daezang rushing out dt.
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On April 30 2008 21:16 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2008 21:14 Orome wrote:On April 30 2008 21:08 Kwark wrote:On April 30 2008 21:03 Orome wrote:On April 30 2008 21:00 Kwark wrote:On April 30 2008 20:58 Orome wrote:
Did Sea lose that many SCVs? Can't see another reason why he'd GG that early. He hadn't taken the nat inside his main and had 3 or so factory against 6 gateway. No way is was taking map control back from that situation. 3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran is a very common situation that's slightly in favour of Protoss. Obviously he was behind, but it wasn't resignable just yet. No, 3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran where the Terran has like 5 factories and has been massing units is common and just on the protoss side. 3 base protoss vs 2 base terran where the protoss has far more production facilities, map control and just utterly destroyed your army is a gg scenario. JangBo could double expand, go carriers and still stop Sea from expanding. He really had no options. His push didn't get utterly destroyed, Jangbi barely managed to break it. Obviously Sea was in a tough position, but it wasn't as hopeless as you make it out to be. Anyway, there's nothing more to argue here really as we both only have a rough estimation of the game situation without the replay and those rough estimations just happen to differ. you're forgetting the part where sea lost his first like 5 or 6 tanks and more than 12 scvs from DTs, and had to lift off his CC for a while as jangbi had 3base running.
Jangbi only had 2 base at that moment, but yeah, that's why I asked how many SCVs Sea had lost.
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Textbook FD opening from XellOs, 4 rines, 1 tank, vult with mines. Daezang micros perfectly vs it and kills the rines and hurts the tank without loss. But the mines went down so the dark won't help much. Daezang double expands.
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Ok, dark walks round the mines and strolls into XellOs' base and fucks him up. Not entiresluyre ure how this happened. Daezang did all this on 1 gate though which is v impressive. He's now on 3 base and has a robo done.
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Daezang now has like 3 times the eco XellOs has and the entire protoss tech tree. It's pretty much his game now.
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On April 30 2008 21:15 Kaolla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2008 21:14 Orome wrote:On April 30 2008 21:08 Kwark wrote:On April 30 2008 21:03 Orome wrote:On April 30 2008 21:00 Kwark wrote:On April 30 2008 20:58 Orome wrote:
Did Sea lose that many SCVs? Can't see another reason why he'd GG that early. He hadn't taken the nat inside his main and had 3 or so factory against 6 gateway. No way is was taking map control back from that situation. 3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran is a very common situation that's slightly in favour of Protoss. Obviously he was behind, but it wasn't resignable just yet. No, 3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran where the Terran has like 5 factories and has been massing units is common and just on the protoss side. 3 base protoss vs 2 base terran where the protoss has far more production facilities, map control and just utterly destroyed your army is a gg scenario. JangBo could double expand, go carriers and still stop Sea from expanding. He really had no options. His push didn't get utterly destroyed, Jangbi barely managed to break it. Obviously Sea was in a tough position, but it wasn't as hopeless as you make it out to be. Anyway, there's nothing more to argue here really as we both only have a rough estimation of the game situation without the replay and those rough estimations just happen to differ. dude he was way behind... no way he coulda won that with his few facts... he just had no army production while jangbi had lots of it and no units left and outexped... ez gg
boxer vs joyo?
Seriously, there's so many things that impact the game, it was far from impossible for him to win. running into stray mines, careless attacks... in the position jangbi was in, it was entirely possible for him to get careless. True, the situation was VERY bad for sea, but for him to quit at that time made it seem more like a weak fighting-spirit rather than an entirely hopeless scenario.
Not that it matters now, he'll just have to prove himself in the next game.
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XellOs taking his nat inside his main to even the base count but Daezangs had his for a long time now. 6 gates running for Daezang vs 2 factory.
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thx for the live reports kwark. Keep it up!. Kinda pissed that Sea or Daezang have to out ;< Love them both
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Goddamnit Sea, if you're going to lose to anyone lose to Daezang, not Jangbi. : (
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Daezang flies a shuttle full of stormers and zees into a turret and escapes with 1hp. He also takes the 3 o clock exp. He harasses XellOs' min only main nat from below the cliff with the shuttle of storms and kills a lot of scv, although messes it up so some escape. He tries to use the same stormer twice when it has no energy rather than switching them. Still effective though, and he's on at least 10 gateways now.
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poor xellos he'll have nightmares about dt tongight
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lol daezang rape ^_^ damn hes in top shape ^_^
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XellOs has a lot of tank and Daezang is being a little conservative in terms of expanding. Content to stay one ahead. XellOs is not vult map controling, instead massing. Daezang has the entire PvT army at his disposal. 2 stargate carriers, many shuttles with stormers in them and a huge army.
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On April 30 2008 21:23 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Goddamnit Sea, if you're going to lose to anyone lose to Daezang, not Jangbi. : (
He still might :/
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Nooooo Xellos 
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XellOs slowly sieging forwards. Dazeang decides to fuck him up. XellOs gets fucked up.
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EPT
