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gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1988 Posts
October 26 2025 09:01 GMT
#101
On October 26 2025 18:00 Gorsameth wrote:
So much army spend by Snow to try and get the high ground at 3 o clock and when he gets it nothing actually changes in the game...

Maybe he should have included a probe and built cannons there. He had minerals to spare.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
October 26 2025 09:01 GMT
#102
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13307 Posts
October 26 2025 09:01 GMT
#103
That was always going to be a tough map for Snow but his choice of strategy didn’t help. Just needed to build on Bisu’s blueprint I reckon.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2094 Posts
October 26 2025 09:02 GMT
#104
Roaring Currents another Protoss graveyard. Kinda sad. Still, questionable decision-making by Snow.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1256 Posts
October 26 2025 09:02 GMT
#105
Really Z favoured map which is always in consideration - but that felt like a very "flat" strategy from Snow to me. I don't really understand what the theory of victory is there? Obviously with the map itself it's hard to get the strategy down but that game just felt so all over the place in terms of what the objectives were.
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
October 26 2025 09:03 GMT
#106
Snow was so lost this game. He had such an great start and soma played right into his hand but just he outplayed himself.

All he needed to get an good bust with reavers on his front door around 15 min mark.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13307 Posts
October 26 2025 09:03 GMT
#107
Zergs have a 60% win rate on roaring currents. Brutal
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia426 Posts
October 26 2025 09:06 GMT
#108
On October 26 2025 18:03 SkelA wrote:
Snow was so lost this game. He had such an great start and soma played right into his hand but just he outplayed himself.

All he needed to get an good bust with reavers on his front door around 15 min mark.


Right, where Z has a backstab base to engulf him, be serious
j.r.r.
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway764 Posts
October 26 2025 09:08 GMT
#109
What a shit Zerg favored map in a Zerg favored MU.

HOWEVER!
I think Snow actually will win. Yeah, he lost this map, but he showed how good his multitasking and army controll is.
He just need to guess some build orders and he's winning this finale easy.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
October 26 2025 09:10 GMT
#110
On October 26 2025 18:06 Rainalcar wrote:
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On October 26 2025 18:03 SkelA wrote:
Snow was so lost this game. He had such an great start and soma played right into his hand but just he outplayed himself.

All he needed to get an good bust with reavers on his front door around 15 min mark.


Right, where Z has a backstab base to engulf him, be serious


Snow had more bases max army the correct tech. Absolutely no chance for zerg to do anything at that timing.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
634 Posts
October 26 2025 09:12 GMT
#111
lol why tf are ppl complaining about this being a Zerg map

we've seen several Protoss do very well with sair/reaver/carrier on this map during the recent weeks in daily pl

snow himself won games like this
(*^^)(^*)
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia426 Posts
October 26 2025 09:14 GMT
#112
On October 26 2025 18:10 SkelA wrote:
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On October 26 2025 18:06 Rainalcar wrote:
On October 26 2025 18:03 SkelA wrote:
Snow was so lost this game. He had such an great start and soma played right into his hand but just he outplayed himself.

All he needed to get an good bust with reavers on his front door around 15 min mark.


Right, where Z has a backstab base to engulf him, be serious


Snow had more bases max army the correct tech. Absolutely no chance for zerg to do anything at that timing.


Soma would have stalled him with sunkens and then you would see a hydra lurker pincer. Z economy is too strong for timing attacks on this map.
j.r.r.
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia426 Posts
October 26 2025 09:15 GMT
#113
On October 26 2025 18:12 Kraekkling wrote:
lol why tf are ppl complaining about this being a Zerg map

we've seen several Protoss do very well with sair/reaver/carrier on this map during the recent weeks in daily pl

snow himself won games like this


Actually we have seen very seldom such games. And in ASL it was just ugly.
j.r.r.
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
634 Posts
October 26 2025 09:15 GMT
#114
like, why go for gateway units and only attack at 24 minutes?
(*^^)(^*)
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia426 Posts
October 26 2025 09:16 GMT
#115
On October 26 2025 18:15 Kraekkling wrote:
like, why go for gateway units and only attack at 24 minutes?


Because he was delayed by going for shuttle island.
j.r.r.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3122 Posts
October 26 2025 09:16 GMT
#116
On October 26 2025 18:03 RowdierBob wrote:
Zergs have a 60% win rate on roaring currents. Brutal

60% win rate doesn't tell the whole story for ZvP on this map. In online games, Zerg lost mostly due to (a) in early days when strategies hadn't been developed very well, and (b) agressive play (to get a quick win) in early/mid game that sets them back massively.

In ASL, Zergs all chose to play defensively which is the correct strategy for Zerg on this map, and they win 100% of the games.
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
634 Posts
October 26 2025 09:20 GMT
#117
On October 26 2025 18:16 TMNT wrote:
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On October 26 2025 18:03 RowdierBob wrote:
Zergs have a 60% win rate on roaring currents. Brutal

60% win rate doesn't tell the whole story for ZvP on this map. In online games, Zerg lost mostly due to (a) in early days when strategies hadn't been developed very well, and (b) agressive play (to get a quick win) in early/mid game that sets them back massively.

In ASL, Zergs all chose to play defensively which is the correct strategy for Zerg on this map, and they win 100% of the games.


the map is at 47.2% WR for Protoss on eloboard...
(*^^)(^*)
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-26 09:23:07
October 26 2025 09:22 GMT
#118
On October 26 2025 18:12 Kraekkling wrote:
lol why tf are ppl complaining about this being a Zerg map

we've seen several Protoss do very well with sair/reaver/carrier on this map during the recent weeks in daily pl

snow himself won games like this

We actually didn't. I'm keeping track of all the PvZ games on this map recently.

Every time Protoss won the game would require a blunder from Zerg in the early/mid game by being too aggressive (like trying to bust the natural) or too greedy (4 Hatch before Pool).

If Zergs play defensively, they win like 90% of the times.

In ASL where the stake is high, they chose that strategy and won 100% so far.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8542 Posts
October 26 2025 09:23 GMT
#119
very good drone and ling control from soma !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13307 Posts
October 26 2025 09:24 GMT
#120
Soma crushing this game. This could be a quick finals at this rate
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
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