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On March 26 2024 20:06 HOLYBATS wrote: Solid game from SnOw. SnOwlid. Nice. | ||
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PVJ
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PVJ
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On March 26 2024 18:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: I believe Ro8 bracket draw is right after the group too. If Snow gets out first -- there are 2 1st, 2 2nd place tosses. I think that means at least 1 PvP for sure If Snow gets out second -- there might be 1 or 0 PvPs. | ||
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TMNT
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On March 26 2024 20:12 PVJ wrote: If Snow gets out first -- there are 2 1st, 2 2nd place tosses. I think that means at least 1 PvP for sure Not for sure. It could be Soulkey vs Mini, Bisu vs Hero, Snow vs Rush, Best vs [Sharp/Mind/Action]. But yeah, very likely we have 1 PvP if Snow gets out first. | ||
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PVJ
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On March 26 2024 20:18 TMNT wrote: Not for sure. It could be Soulkey vs Mini, Bisu vs Hero, Snow vs Rush, Best vs [Sharp/Mind/Action]. But yeah, very likely we have 1 PvP if Snow gets out first. Oh, okay I thought there's a rule to have cross-bracket matches. However yes, A1-B2, B1-A2, C1-D2, D1-C2 would be cool! I'm okay to have PvP's starting in Ro4 when 4 protoss has made it there | ||
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Peeano
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Peeano
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 Sharp! Kinda hoping he can do it now and then Mind crushing Action and we get SnOw vs Mind lol | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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great series, overall. Very happy that SnOw made it through. GGs!  | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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On March 26 2024 21:42 Terrorbladder wrote: This map pool is actually disgusting. I miss Flash. LMAO!  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Game Set 2? Yes (10) No (0) If you have time (0) 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Game Set 2? | ||
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TMNT
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The reason Protoss is doing well this time, and Terran somewhat worse, is because there are no more Zergs for Terrans to farm and to Hydra bust Protoss, with Soma in the military and Queen along with some mid tier Zergs dropping out in the qualifiers. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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and this is an actually good game too. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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maybenexttime
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Sharp - Soulkey Snow - Rush Best - Mini hero - Bisu 0/4 xD | ||
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Hoanghai227
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TMNT
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Dream scenario for Soulkey though. ZvP all the way to the finals. Honestly I can only see the two Terrans stopping him. | ||
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PVJ
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Sick round of 8! Can't wait until next week. | ||
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HOLYBATS
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Mini will take the revenge but will lost to SnOw. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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great matchups! can't wait. hope the games will not disappoint. let the best player win (hopefully it's a protoss, hehe  )! | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On March 26 2024 23:21 TMNT wrote: That's really unbalanced brackets. Like if you put the 4 players on the left side vs the 4 on the right side in a Proleague, you can see it end up 0-4 0-4. Dream scenario for Soulkey though. ZvP all the way to the finals. Honestly I can only see the two Terrans stopping him. You're massively underselling Rush and Sharp's current online performance there. Rush is 2nd on Eloboard and Sharp is 4th. Rush specifically has been doing very well. We Legitimately have rank #1Snow, #2Rush, #3Bisu, #4Sharp, #5Hero, #6Soulkey, (#7queen), #8Mini and #9Best on Eloboard in the Top 8 in ASL. That's legitimately the MOST well rounded ASL round of 8. For once we actually have the best 8 online performers in the top 8 offline tournament. | ||
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Peeano
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Poll: Recommend Final Game Set 2? Yes (8) No (1) If you have time (0) 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Game Set 2? Poll: Recommend Final Game Set 3? Yes (5) No (1) If you have time (1) 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Game Set 3? | ||
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kaspa84
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On March 26 2024 23:20 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: It is going to be Best vs SnOw finals! I logged to say I hope for that. My favorite player is Mini, but he already has a trophy. The other two only have a silver or two each. (Best's back in 2.008!) | ||
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Soft_General_5023
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TMNT
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On March 26 2024 23:36 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: You're massively underselling Rush and Sharp's current online performance there. Rush is 2nd on Eloboard and Sharp is 4th. Rush specifically has been doing very well. We Legitimately have rank #1Snow, #2Rush, #3Bisu, #4Sharp, #5Hero, #6Soulkey, (#7queen), #8Mini and #9Best on Eloboard in the Top 8 in ASL. That's legitimately the MOST well rounded ASL round of 8. For once we actually have the best 8 online performers in the top 8 offline tournament. Elo points are the least reliable stats in the streaming era though. That's why I never mentioned it in any of my analyses. The reason is the "selective farming" of the more active players. It's like ladder but you get to choose who you play, so you get only 5 pts every time you beat someone much weaker than you, but you can repeatedly do it 10 times. For example if you check Rush, he gained at least 100 pts this month from farming the likes of Paralyze and Sacsri. Even the proleague elo points are not reliable due to the inconsistent activities of proleague and k league. Stork as #3 in PL elo this month, with BTS #4 and Shinee #5, says it all for you. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On March 27 2024 00:36 TMNT wrote: Elo points are the least reliable stats in the streaming era though. That's why I never mentioned it in any of my analyses. The reason is the "selective farming" of the more active players. It's like ladder but you get to choose who you play, so you get only 5 pts every time you beat someone much weaker than you, but you can repeatedly do it 10 times. For example if you check Rush, he gained at least 100 pts this month from farming the likes of Paralyze and Sacsri. Even the proleague elo points are not reliable due to the inconsistent activities of proleague and k league. Stork as #3 in PL elo this month, with BTS #4 and Shinee #5, says it all for you. Look at Rush again. He got a lot of points off Hero, soulkey, and bisu. Sharp got a lot off Rush and stork. Every time he met Mini in march he won. he went about 50/50 vs hero and up on Action. | ||
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Smorrie
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I'd say Rush probably would cause the most problems for SK and Hero. In turn, Hero could cause problems for anyone in the bracket, but Rush is probably his worst opponent. I think SK is the favorite to win the right side bracket. Let's see if Snow is able to keep his run going. Sharp has been looking good, I like the matchup vs Best. I'd say Bisu has a tough time ahead of him, facing the 3 favorites of each race in his path to victory, but I think he would generally have to dig deep vs anyone in the bracket regardless. That said he did output really good results lately. Rush vs SK final? | ||
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cheesehuehue
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On March 27 2024 03:57 Smorrie wrote: Pretty good bracket I think. While there are a couple favorites, all remaining players should be able to produce 3 good series. I'd say Rush probably would cause the most problems for SK and Hero. In turn, Hero could cause problems for anyone in the bracket, but Rush is probably his worst opponent. I think SK is the favorite to win the right side bracket. Let's see if Snow is able to keep his run going. Sharp has been looking good, I like the matchup vs Best. I'd say Bisu has a tough time ahead of him, facing the 3 favorites of each race in his path to victory, but I think he would generally have to dig deep vs anyone in the bracket regardless. That said he did output really good results lately. Rush vs SK final? As a Zerg player and Soulkey fan, I want to see him win two ASLs in a row. However, I don't have high expectations of him defeating two (and maybe even 3 if Best makes it to the finals) top-level protoss in a row. Yes, he defeated Mini 4-1 last year, but those matches were very close. If Mini has rewatched the replays, he has probably noticed that he could have won the last match if he didn't hesitate so much on attacking SK's bases on the bottom left. And even if he defeats Mini again, he struggles a lot with Snow and Bisu. I'd say it's a coin flip against Snow, but I have the impression he has a losing odds against Bisu --just going off the top of my head without checking any statistics. I hope I'm proved wrong. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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Bad draw for Mini in ro8 but at least we get that match. Best to the finals? Snow vs Bisu PvP is also quite hype. | ||
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TMNT
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Snow is 50/50 against Soulkey online when the sample size is in the range of dozens. But in a BO7 series Soulkey will have more tools up his sleeve. A hydra bust or a 9 pool speed here and there to gain momentum for example. It's just impossible to dominate him in the strong matchup for Zerg. The other side of the bracket is 50/50 in literally all games. There's just no favorite. | ||
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PVJ
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On March 27 2024 05:03 TMNT wrote: Bisu is the Protoss most likely to take down Soulkey on that side of the bracket. The problem is he probably can't win a BO5 against Snow. He can take 1 game yes, but not 3 out of 5. Snow is 50/50 against Soulkey online when the sample size is in the range of dozens. But in a BO7 series Soulkey will have more tools up his sleeve. A hydra bust or a 9 pool speed here and there to gain momentum for example. It's just impossible to dominate him in the strong matchup for Zerg. The other side of the bracket is 50/50 in literally all games. There's just no favorite. Isn't Best a clear favourite against Sharp? | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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I'd say about 50/50 currently. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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His PvsZ is probably is strongest match up now, but his PvsT is no joke either. And he seems to be able to bring his Agame on stage now, quite scary if you ask me. Also, Best being "on fire lately" is an under statement. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Either guy will struggle against Best though, and he will be a massive (PvsP weakest mu, by far) underdog against anyone in finals, but i expect him to reach RO2. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On March 27 2024 15:35 TornadoSteve wrote: If there is one guy who can perform under pressure, vs top tier players, its Bisu. If SnOw can perform at his best, nobody in Ro8 should be able to beat him in a Bo5/7 even if his opponents were to peak and bring their best performance ever. | ||
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Ideas
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Soulkey is most likely to make it to finals on his side of bracket, but I'm done making predictions in ASL lol. On the other side it's really hard to call. I want to say Best is favored over sharp and that rush is favored over hero. Best would also be favored over Rush. But best historically chokes in Ro8 a lot no matter how good he's playing. My gut says rush to the finals. | ||
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cheesehuehue
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Nirli
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Sharp was impressive this time around. | ||
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iRkSupperman
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Subtitles not really needed. Assuming Rush keeps up his streak of blasting herO in ASL, Best only needs to focus on his PvT until the finals. He'd have absolutely 0 chance in a PvP final though. | ||
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HOLYBATS
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On March 28 2024 15:40 Nirli wrote: When I hear Sharp, I think vulture. When I hear Best, I think zealot. Vulture > zealot. Sharp was impressive this time around. BeSt is one of six Dragons not zealot. | ||
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TMNT
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On March 28 2024 18:14 iRkSupperman wrote: Consider Best's own reaction to the ro8 draw: https://youtu.be/ZQ73bwvWKgE?feature=shared "not Mini, not Mini..." probably Best's thought at that moment. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On March 28 2024 19:27 TMNT wrote: "not Mini, not Mini..." probably Best's thought at that moment. Would be hilariois if best lost. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On March 30 2024 02:16 moktira wrote: Bisu vs Snow, nooooo! I always root for Bisu but really want Snow to get an ASL, still, can't not root for Bisu after 17 years! Can't see Soulkey losing to any of Mini, Bisu or Snow. Click this: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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