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CeJo1
Profile Joined August 2021
32 Posts
February 26 2024 12:12 GMT
#41
Who is the caster with Nyoken? He did a nice job!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5673 Posts
February 26 2024 12:16 GMT
#42
On February 26 2024 21:12 CeJo1 wrote:
Who is the caster with Nyoken? He did a nice job!

Gypsy. He's arguably the current best foreigner Terran after Mihu.
FBH #1!
CeJo1
Profile Joined August 2021
32 Posts
February 26 2024 12:19 GMT
#43
On February 26 2024 21:16 Peeano wrote:
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On February 26 2024 21:12 CeJo1 wrote:
Who is the caster with Nyoken? He did a nice job!

Gypsy. He's arguably the current best foreigner Terran after Mihu.


Thank you dude
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
February 26 2024 12:45 GMT
#44
I like how Sea perfectly scouted what Bisu was doing and he still couldn't do anything to stop it. Great execution from Bisu.

Kinda meh games. Zelot a bit overhyped - didn't really show much. Sea's build in the last game was pretty dumb. Mass expand off 3 fact tanks into BC. He's kinda hoping Light just sits back and does nothing? I get he had to cut some corners to be a chance against light but damn, that was the cuttiest of cut corners he tried.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3246 Posts
February 26 2024 12:51 GMT
#45
On February 26 2024 21:45 RowdierBob wrote:
I like how Sea perfectly scouted what Bisu was doing and he still couldn't do anything to stop it. Great execution from Bisu.

Kinda meh games. Zelot a bit overhyped - didn't really show much. Sea's build in the last game was pretty dumb. Mass expand off 3 fact tanks into BC. He's kinda hoping Light just sits back and does nothing? I get he had to cut some corners to be a chance against light but damn, that was the cuttiest of cut corners he tried.

He probably didn't expect to play Light at all, nor did he has any practice in TvT. I'm more surprised he didn't try to BBS or something like that. At least this is a decent performance compared to the clown show he put on last season.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
February 26 2024 13:26 GMT
#46
On February 26 2024 21:51 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2024 21:45 RowdierBob wrote:
I like how Sea perfectly scouted what Bisu was doing and he still couldn't do anything to stop it. Great execution from Bisu.

Kinda meh games. Zelot a bit overhyped - didn't really show much. Sea's build in the last game was pretty dumb. Mass expand off 3 fact tanks into BC. He's kinda hoping Light just sits back and does nothing? I get he had to cut some corners to be a chance against light but damn, that was the cuttiest of cut corners he tried.

He probably didn't expect to play Light at all, nor did he has any practice in TvT. I'm more surprised he didn't try to BBS or something like that. At least this is a decent performance compared to the clown show he put on last season.

man sea's last season's performance was truly the entire circus encapsulated into one player
POGGERS
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 14:39:08
February 26 2024 14:14 GMT
#47
On February 26 2024 21:51 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2024 21:45 RowdierBob wrote:
I like how Sea perfectly scouted what Bisu was doing and he still couldn't do anything to stop it. Great execution from Bisu.

Kinda meh games. Zelot a bit overhyped - didn't really show much. Sea's build in the last game was pretty dumb. Mass expand off 3 fact tanks into BC. He's kinda hoping Light just sits back and does nothing? I get he had to cut some corners to be a chance against light but damn, that was the cuttiest of cut corners he tried.

He probably didn't expect to play Light at all, nor did he has any practice in TvT. I'm more surprised he didn't try to BBS or something like that. At least this is a decent performance compared to the clown show he put on last season.



Sea didn't even play over the past week, maybe a game here and there. He was busy with his team doing events and variety content. He literally did not play for a week. It showed because he seemed way off. His strategy against Light was kind of a "trying somewhat extremely outlandish and pray to the gods above it works". It did not.

checked. He barely played any starcraft matches since qualifiers. He did female proleague and university events, played league of legends, and played about 14 games total.
JDON MY SOUL!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3246 Posts
February 26 2024 16:25 GMT
#48
On February 26 2024 23:14 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2024 21:51 TMNT wrote:
On February 26 2024 21:45 RowdierBob wrote:
I like how Sea perfectly scouted what Bisu was doing and he still couldn't do anything to stop it. Great execution from Bisu.

Kinda meh games. Zelot a bit overhyped - didn't really show much. Sea's build in the last game was pretty dumb. Mass expand off 3 fact tanks into BC. He's kinda hoping Light just sits back and does nothing? I get he had to cut some corners to be a chance against light but damn, that was the cuttiest of cut corners he tried.

He probably didn't expect to play Light at all, nor did he has any practice in TvT. I'm more surprised he didn't try to BBS or something like that. At least this is a decent performance compared to the clown show he put on last season.



Sea didn't even play over the past week, maybe a game here and there. He was busy with his team doing events and variety content. He literally did not play for a week. It showed because he seemed way off. His strategy against Light was kind of a "trying somewhat extremely outlandish and pray to the gods above it works". It did not.

checked. He barely played any starcraft matches since qualifiers. He did female proleague and university events, played league of legends, and played about 14 games total.

To be fair, all three players today more or less had the same kind of approach vs Light. Can't blame them. Who would want a straight up standard macro game vs the guy who is on like 85% win rate in Major Proleague this month (that's some Flash type of shit if not even scarier).

Sea strategy ironically is the most macro oriented one.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10525 Posts
February 26 2024 17:08 GMT
#49
Bisu had a train to catch or something. Some funny cheeses there.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 17:20:37
February 26 2024 17:19 GMT
#50
On February 27 2024 01:25 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2024 23:14 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On February 26 2024 21:51 TMNT wrote:
On February 26 2024 21:45 RowdierBob wrote:
I like how Sea perfectly scouted what Bisu was doing and he still couldn't do anything to stop it. Great execution from Bisu.

Kinda meh games. Zelot a bit overhyped - didn't really show much. Sea's build in the last game was pretty dumb. Mass expand off 3 fact tanks into BC. He's kinda hoping Light just sits back and does nothing? I get he had to cut some corners to be a chance against light but damn, that was the cuttiest of cut corners he tried.

He probably didn't expect to play Light at all, nor did he has any practice in TvT. I'm more surprised he didn't try to BBS or something like that. At least this is a decent performance compared to the clown show he put on last season.



Sea didn't even play over the past week, maybe a game here and there. He was busy with his team doing events and variety content. He literally did not play for a week. It showed because he seemed way off. His strategy against Light was kind of a "trying somewhat extremely outlandish and pray to the gods above it works". It did not.

checked. He barely played any starcraft matches since qualifiers. He did female proleague and university events, played league of legends, and played about 14 games total.

To be fair, all three players today more or less had the same kind of approach vs Light. Can't blame them. Who would want a straight up standard macro game vs the guy who is on like 85% win rate in Major Proleague this month (that's some Flash type of shit if not even scarier).

Sea strategy ironically is the most macro oriented one.


Light is the best standard style player since Flash left, and has really good surprise build orders/mindgames as hidden secret strategies. So yeah it is not unexpected they tried to force him into non standard situations. But Sea literally didn't prepare because he wasnt even expecting he had a chance. which is fine. his focus is on his team.
JDON MY SOUL!
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic949 Posts
February 26 2024 18:46 GMT
#51
Keeping it BO1 is an unfortunate decision.. Expected players got to next round, but watching this definitely left some bitter taste..
never too old for starcraft :)
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
February 26 2024 20:10 GMT
#52
On February 27 2024 03:46 Destroyer wrote:
Keeping it BO1 is an unfortunate decision.. Expected players got to next round, but watching this definitely left some bitter taste..

agreed
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
February 26 2024 20:11 GMT
#53
did they just change the group order?

I'm almost 100% sure the Group B was C and C was B.. wtf?
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
February 26 2024 20:25 GMT
#54
original pic of groups (with dates) --> https://i.imgur.com/yNj0Lr6.png
dr0pship
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada520 Posts
February 26 2024 22:03 GMT
#55
If I was someone who took the game seriously and played 1000 hours a month, I'd be pretty frustrated that Sea gets a spot in Ro24, which he squanders like an entitled child, and during which he proceeds to make a mockery of himself and professional starcraft competition.

dude is a clown riding a false high from his clown games and female streamer attention.

just look at his face during the competition. cant even take himself seriously

is ASL something to take seriously?

FriedrichNietzsche
Profile Joined January 2024
92 Posts
February 26 2024 22:24 GMT
#56
what a weird take

he qualified

What else really is there to it?
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10525 Posts
February 26 2024 22:36 GMT
#57
On February 27 2024 07:03 dr0pship wrote:
If I was someone who took the game seriously and played 1000 hours a month, I'd be pretty frustrated that Sea gets a spot in Ro24, which he squanders like an entitled child, and during which he proceeds to make a mockery of himself and professional starcraft competition.

dude is a clown riding a false high from his clown games and female streamer attention.

just look at his face during the competition. cant even take himself seriously

is ASL something to take seriously?


While I think it would've been nice to have some other players qualify over Sea (Queen), he played in the open qualifier and made it. I think Sea making it is an inherent issue with the current open qualifiers because there are definitely some players who get an easier road than others with so many qualification groups. An idea could be to make groups bigger with 2 people advancing and a double elimination format. Therefore, first place in any group will have to go up against a solid opponent, and a high quality player who might get knocked out early can still make a comeback to advance.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
February 26 2024 23:31 GMT
#58
Sea's group was pretty good with Horang2 and Calm in it. But you could argue them three being put in the same group is weird to begin with, which it is.
JDON MY SOUL!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3246 Posts
February 27 2024 00:44 GMT
#59
It was Sea Horang2 and Guemchi (not Calm) which of course feels arranged. However Ddasik - a top amateur player whose level is similar to the likes of Zelot and Scan - was also in that qualifier group, so those 1000-hour-per-month players can only blame themselves for not beating those part time BW players full time variety streamers. And Zelot, who made it to the finals, lost fair and square to Sea as well.

Note that Sea played macro in all 3 games and Zelot was actually the one who cheesed in both of his games so I'm not sure why Sea is criticized for his body language. Personally I find his expressions funny tbh.

RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
February 27 2024 00:53 GMT
#60
On February 27 2024 09:44 TMNT wrote:
It was Sea Horang2 and Guemchi (not Calm) which of course feels arranged. However Ddasik - a top amateur player whose level is similar to the likes of Zelot and Scan - was also in that qualifier group, so those 1000-hour-per-month players can only blame themselves for not beating those part time BW players full time variety streamers. And Zelot, who made it to the finals, lost fair and square to Sea as well.

Note that Sea played macro in all 3 games and Zelot was actually the one who cheesed in both of his games so I'm not sure why Sea is criticized for his body language. Personally I find his expressions funny tbh.


Sea only deserves criticism for his lack of practice. But even his lack of practice is understandable. He's legitimately running a business. I expected Horang2 to qualify over Sea because Horang2 practiced like 5 times as much as Sea did. They only have themselves to blame for losing to Sea.
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