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MineraIs
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MineraIs
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KEEP THIS POST 100% SPOILER FREE. PLEASE DO NOT EVEN POST ANYTHING ABOUT THE KOREAN STREAM HERE. WE ARE ADVERTISING ENGLISH CASTING HERE ONLY. English stream by ZZZero. (schedule TBA) Graphics made by Depleted | ||
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NotJumperer
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Aiur
Sweden138 Posts
On July 05 2023 21:29 Jumperer wrote: no chinese players. invalid tournament It's based on the name of the map contest and not a tournament wich everyone in the world could qualify for | ||
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Aiur
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TMNT
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C is literally the hardest group he could possibly get. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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HYPE ! ! ! | ||
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Qikz
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HOLYBATS
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Go Dewalt! | ||
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Kreuger
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HOLYBATS
Turkey731 Posts
On July 06 2023 03:26 Kreuger wrote: Rooting for Dewalt, but damn, Royal and Action, wont be easy At least it is BO1. | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden729 Posts
True, keeping my hopes up | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
Will be adding some more info to the post later tonight. Graphics made by Depleted. | ||
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
PLEASE KEEP THIS POST 100% SPOILER FREE. DO NOT EVEN POST ANYTHING ABOUT THE KOREAN STREAM HERE. WE ARE ADVERTISING ENGLISH CAST HERE ONLY. (similar to Tastosis vs StarcastTV ASL casting) | ||
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FaCE_1
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
On July 06 2023 19:06 FaCE_1 wrote: is it only me or everything in the first post is broken ? Mobile is broken atm but should be fixed in the next day or two. (Turn the phone sideways) | ||
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jimminy_kriket
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
On July 07 2023 10:37 jimminy_kriket wrote: Am I blind? When does it start? Eng schedule will be announced and start very soon!  | ||
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Mutaller
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RowdierBob
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
On July 08 2023 17:29 RowdierBob wrote: Jungle story is such a random inclusion but looking forward to seeing some modern games played on it. Check out this Queen vs JyJ test game on jungle story 2. https://vod.afreecatv.com/ST/103105092?change_second=5947 | ||
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Chosi
Germany1302 Posts
On July 07 2023 12:30 MineraIs wrote: Eng schedule will be announced and start very soon! Any updates? Really excited about this :-) | ||
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Rus_Brain
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On July 07 2023 10:16 GTR wrote: How are the maps picked? Because from what I can tell so far no one in their mind is going to deviate from Vermeer/Retro/Polypoid until the Bo5 stages and even then, two of those maps will probably be vetoed out of the pool. Obviously should have been set in stone before the tournament.. if there are completely new maps alongside old known ones, nobody will pick the new ones.. kinda baffled about the decision tbh.. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
And forcing them to use a new map with certain rules is never a good thing. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On July 11 2023 12:50 Cruiser0929 wrote: If players think the new map is a good map, they will choose the new map. And forcing them to use a new map with certain rules is never a good thing. Riiight.. Except when you make a tournament specifically to showcase the new maps.. | ||
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
some big news coming soon... ![[image loading]](https://media.tenor.com/GeD8d1OcIb8AAAAC/shabbat-shalom-randy-savage.gif) | ||
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Kreuger
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On July 19 2023 03:48 Kreuger wrote: According to wiki several grousp should have been played by now, do we have any results? I think the results have been deleted from liquipedia (because I saw them inserted there earlier) so to not spoil the english cast (?) Idk for sure though | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden729 Posts
On July 19 2023 15:00 M3t4PhYzX wrote: I think the results have been deleted from liquipedia (because I saw them inserted there earlier) so to not spoil the english cast (?) Idk for sure though Ok. Strange if so. Would expect to be spoiled when checking wiki | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
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QOGQOG
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On August 02 2023 08:28 Devolved wrote: Any update on this tournament? Looks like it's gonna be fun. I think I'd better just watch the Korean casts... this is going to end up being cast in English during ASL if at all. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On August 02 2023 08:58 QOGQOG wrote: I think I'd better just watch the Korean casts... this is going to end up being cast in English during ASL if at all. such a damn shame.. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3373 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
That's 88,6% of games played on most standard of current maps. Sand Storm was played zero (0) times. Not quite "New Worlds" now, is it? This tournament had great potential.. but it was, unfortunately, squandered. Well.. thanks for hosting and casting anyways, I guess. Cheers to everyone involved | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Snow vs Ssak was played on new maps only and was really an interesting viewer experience! Even if it comes out later as long as there are VODs to rewatch it I have marked a couple matches, and matchups on maps, that I definitely am interested in. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On August 12 2023 21:58 M3t4PhYzX wrote: 93 out of 105 games so far have been played on either Vermeer (45), Retro (31) or Polypoid (17) XD That's 88,6% of games played on most standard of current maps. Sand Storm was played zero (0) times. Not quite "New Worlds" now, is it? This tournament had great potential.. but it was, unfortunately, squandered. Well.. thanks for hosting and casting anyways, I guess. Cheers to everyone involved The group stage is fixed to use vermeer, polypoid, and retro. From Ro.16, all maps will be used. and It's also very natural for players not to use maps that are against them. You need to change your perspective in watching this tournament. Don't focus on how many other maps are used In the stage after Ro.16, I want you will focus on which map players choose among the maps other than Vermeer, Retro, and Polypoid. That means the competitiveness that maps have. From my point of view, the initial purpose of this tournament is not to see how many other maps are used, but to see how competitive they are against ASL maps. For example, based on Bo5, you can watch which maps are most used besides Polypoid, Retro, and Vermeer. Excluding those maps, you can see which maps players have picked the most from the map pool. And that means that players like the map, which means that you can see which map is the most competitive among the maps excluding ASL maps. | ||
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
On August 12 2023 21:58 M3t4PhYzX wrote: 93 out of 105 games so far have been played on either Vermeer (45), Retro (31) or Polypoid (17) XD That's 88,6% of games played on most standard of current maps. Sand Storm was played zero (0) times. Not quite "New Worlds" now, is it? This tournament had great potential.. but it was, unfortunately, squandered. Well.. thanks for hosting and casting anyways, I guess. Cheers to everyone involved It really is a damn shame how starcast took the original vision of the tournament and ended up just doing his own thing by excluding zzzero from streaming the English cast and just hogging the content. He told me that nyoken and diggity would be doing the English cast but that doesn’t seem to be the case. I paid for a really nice graphic package that looked awesome and it wasn’t even used because he decided to change the tournament name at the last second. What a joke, fuck that guy. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On August 18 2023 22:14 MineraIs wrote: It really is a damn shame how starcast took the original vision of the tournament and ended up just doing his own thing by excluding zzzero from streaming the English cast and just hogging the content. He told me that nyoken and diggity would be doing the English cast but that doesn’t seem to be the case. I paid for a really nice graphic package that looked awesome and it wasn’t even used because he decided to change the tournament name at the last second. What a joke, fuck that guy. Well... when we were planning this tournament, we made some initial promises. You should remember that, also you should remember that I tried to cast myself in English before we made that appointment. And no one ever told you to spend money on graphics, and the tournament with an English cast is NWSL. And indeed, Nyoken, Diggity, and Razz are casting this tournament. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On August 18 2023 14:38 Cruiser0929 wrote: The group stage is fixed to use vermeer, polypoid, and retro. From Ro.16, all maps will be used. and It's also very natural for players not to use maps that are against them. You need to change your perspective in watching this tournament. Don't focus on how many other maps are used In the stage after Ro.16, I want you will focus on which map players choose among the maps other than Vermeer, Retro, and Polypoid. That means the competitiveness that maps have. From my point of view, the initial purpose of this tournament is not to see how many other maps are used, but to see how competitive they are against ASL maps. For example, based on Bo5, you can watch which maps are most used besides Polypoid, Retro, and Vermeer. Excluding those maps, you can see which maps players have picked the most from the map pool. And that means that players like the map, which means that you can see which map is the most competitive among the maps excluding ASL maps. this is so stupid that i'm not even going to bother with adressing any of the points being made wow | ||
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Qikz
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art_of_turtle
United States1184 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On September 24 2023 22:31 art_of_turtle wrote: thought this was a new tournament, seems that things got lost in translation. Im sorry man you spent some money on the graphics but they were still very impressive none the less. That wasn't me, but I'm guessing the person who did the graphics probably didn't seem to get paid yet. Same as the winners. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 25 2023 02:35 Qikz wrote: That wasn't me, but I'm guessing the person who did the graphics probably didn't seem to get paid yet. Same as the winners. Why do you assume that? I thought the default assumption would be winners are paid already, otherwise we would have heard something from the Koreans. I think in the end this is just a tournament held by Starcast TV mostly for Korean players, with a promise of an English cast that eventually arrived 3 months late. Looks like there are some big issues among the production team but we don't know the details exactly. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On September 25 2023 03:01 TMNT wrote: Why do you assume that? I thought the default assumption would be winners are paid already, otherwise we would have heard something from the Koreans. I think in the end this is just a tournament held by Starcast TV mostly for Korean players, with a promise of an English cast that eventually arrived 3 months late. Looks like there are some big issues among the production team but we don't know the details exactly. I bought this up because CasterMuse has heard that the winners haven't been paid yet, but I didn't want to outright say that initially just in case it was wrong. EDIT: I've been in contact with Minerals and he said the whole situation is a mess, but he hasn't run off with the money. I'm not sure what he's going to do but he's probably going to make a post explaining it. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 25 2023 03:38 Qikz wrote: I bought this up because CasterMuse has heard that the winners haven't been paid yet, but I didn't want to outright say that initially just in case it was wrong. EDIT: I've been in contact with Minerals and he said the whole situation is a mess, but he hasn't run off with the money. I'm not sure what he's going to do but he's probably going to make a post explaining it. Now that you said this, I had a quick look and SCTV actually made this post a few days ago: https://bj.afreecatv.com/cruiser0929/post/107441205 So basically what SCTV says is the prize money is from Afreeca and Minerals, but Minerals didn't release his part (for the obvious reason we saw in this thread), so SCTV used their own money to pay the winners. I'm glad that the players are paid, otherwise SCTV would just be blacklisted in the Korean community. However Minerals is and we'll likely never see his maps being used in Korean tournaments. What a mess. | ||
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
On September 25 2023 03:01 TMNT wrote: Why do you assume that? I thought the default assumption would be winners are paid already, otherwise we would have heard something from the Koreans. I think in the end this is just a tournament held by Starcast TV mostly for Korean players, with a promise of an English cast that eventually arrived 3 months late. Looks like there are some big issues among the production team but we don't know the details exactly. There was a nice production plan in place but somebody’s ego got in the way and had to make everything extremely difficult. The graphics dude was paid and the matcherino is waiting for nwsl vod to release the funds… if the name of the tournament wasn’t changed then matcherino would release the funds. We need NWSL vod/brackets to release the funds as per matcherino admins. Would’ve been great if everything worked out as originally planned but these last minute changes from cruiser made things extremely difficult. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1125369059836432445/1133089428013850716/NWSL_intro.mp4 | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
So I won't talk about this issue anymore after this post. Everything will get back to normal. And the prize I paid to the players will be paid to me through matcherino. And Minerals will no longer be active in the Korean scene. ggs | ||
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Sonic_md
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iRkSupperman
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littlechava
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Suricatta
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
just sad stuff -.- | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On September 25 2023 19:30 iRkSupperman wrote: The tournament is finished already. But one dude tried to withhold players deserved prize pool and even edited Liquipedia to remove results because of his butthurt. I mean.. he was deceived quite a bit by the korean side so it isn't just "butthurt". a terrible situation overall | ||
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PVJ
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iRkSupperman
Norway132 Posts
On September 28 2023 15:47 M3t4PhYzX wrote: I mean.. he was deceived quite a bit by the korean side so it isn't just "butthurt". a terrible situation overall Or, Minerals was not acting according to what he initially promised, and due to that StarCast had to make changes to protect the tournament which they did the vast majority of the job organising. Including ending up having to apologise to the Korean community publicly in that Afreeca post somebody linked earlier. Not the first time we've seen here on TL that there's been organisational issues with BW events/community events due to Mr Minerals, but oh well. What's done is done. The cast being posted now on StarCast YouTube is really good, and there are some great players in this event. Definitely check it out, or the Korean VODs. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3373 Posts
On September 29 2023 01:04 jhgtzufhfere wrote: A respected bw forum? By whom? By yourself? Yeah, you guys are doing a great job at respected yourself and disrespecting everything else There is basically no "outsider" having any interest for you guys. Has ESL ever shown interest? Are other sponsor coming in? Of all the companies to use as examples, you picked the one with the worst organizational track record by far. ESL is a joke, now they are propped up by Saudi blood money, but still a joke. TL is known to all foreign top players and a lot of koreans, it s known by ASL casters and some players too. But you re just going to keep and try your pathetic trolls, it s honestly impressive, and equally sad, how much effort you put for our little "unknown and not respected website". But hey you generate traffic and keep making accounts, providing TL with some money, so thanks for that, keep it up ~ | ||
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TMNT
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On September 29 2023 17:13 gbfdeweqas wrote: nuked I wrote the original comment you are trying to pick apart. Show me a broodwar / esports focused site that has been ongoing for 20 years, covering all scenes worldwide. I'm not trying to push "tl" as a brand here. I'm also not trying to make artificial gate's for keeping. But just as inven or fomo (naver cafe's later tistory blogs) have been staples in korean language for getting information, same applies for this forum. I'm talking about the BW forum, yes. Guess where we are discussing this as well? Guess which forum we are all reading and writing about a small co-produced foreigner/korean tourney. Why do you think it shouldn't be, or that it isn't respected? Not sure what your issue is with TL, me, some posters here etc. But the site being online for 20 years is a fact. The site being a huge network of interested people (passive or active) is a fact. The site hosting a dedicated wiki for Bw (both the game and the scene/esport) is a fact. It generally allows you to follow, discuss, read news, watch events for/with/about/of Broodwar and also could be a place to organise tourneys and announce them! We might have our separate truth's each to our own but there's only one reality which we share. Anyway I'm sad to have derailed this thread and got you to comment. | ||
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Kraekkling
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Do you guys remember the Paranoid Android remake that was winning the map contest? Guess what, due to Minerals influence and propaganda, the map maker of new PA and his map were disqualified. This meant that a map by Minerals ended up winning (what a coincidence). In that contest, there also was price money which was part from donations, and once again Minerals decided to withhold it because only he "can decide what is best to do with the money". | ||
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Testbug[bwmn]
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On September 29 2023 19:27 Kraekkling wrote: So, first, Minerals is upset that his map didn't win the initial map-making contest vote. Do you guys remember the Paranoid Android remake that was winning the map contest? Guess what, due to Minerals influence and propaganda, the map maker of new PA and his map were disqualified. This meant that a map by Minerals ended up winning (what a coincidence). In that contest, there also was price money which was part from donations, and once again Minerals decided to withhold it because only he "can decide what is best to do with the money". Oh, it wasn't exactly like that. He wanted to disqualify me, but he found a better solution: choose me as the winner, but not give me the money. After crying, he wrote a post saying that he is withdrawing from the competition, and that I am the winner. But he won't give me the money | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
Gl Dewalt ! Also cool to see 815, I loved this KT Zerg back then! Edit: lmao nvm I thought it was a new thread for an upcoming tournament ;; | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3373 Posts
On October 01 2023 21:20 Glioburd wrote: Wow hypu! Gl Dewalt ! Also cool to see 815, I loved this KT Zerg back then! Edit: lmao nvm I thought it was a new thread for an upcoming tournament ;; Omg glio is alive! Nice to see you come back to play and join CPL10 : Sorry mods, tiny bit of french: + Show Spoiler + les inscriptions sont en cours pour la CPL, c est un tournoi sympa et tranquille, rejoins le côté obscur :p | ||
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Jealous
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On October 01 2023 16:17 Testbug[bwmn] wrote: Oh, it wasn't exactly like that. He wanted to disqualify me, but he found a better solution: choose me as the winner, but not give me the money. After crying, he wrote a post saying that he is withdrawing from the competition, and that I am the winner. But he won't give me the money A link to said post would be nice. On October 01 2023 19:29 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Minerals took the minerals for himself .. LOL | ||
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Testbug[bwmn]
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On October 02 2023 00:42 Jealous wrote: A link to said post would be nice. Oh, his messages are in the map competition thread, and in our public discord. But i can tell you how it happened: 1) The contest organizer spent $800 paying players to test his map "sandstorm". He made adjustments to his map based on feedback from the players he hired, so he feels his map is the best map of the competition. 2) The contest organizer sent messages to 1500 people telling them to vote (and did not clarify that they should not vote according to the 1v1 meta). The people who received his message may have felt compelled to vote for the map created by the person who sent them the message. Or they may evaluate Paranoid according to the 1v1 meta and didnt vote for PA. 3) The contest organizer sent his map to different tournaments, so that it becomes known. And he shared VODs of his map being played by korean players. He sent some PMs to people, sharing this VODs. 4) The contest organizer noticed that another map has more votes than his map (despite discounting the latin american votes, or the votes of new accounts, or the votes of people contacted by me, my map was the winner with or without the controversial votes). I even provided a list of the people contacted by me, and proved strangers were voting for my map. 5) The contest organizer withdraws his map from the contest, and starts writing negative things publicly (about me, and saying that no matter how bad is my map, latin american voters will vote for it, and things like that). He also removed the peruvian flag from my map description, because he was sure the peruvian flag was influencing latin american voters to vote for my map, no matter how bad my map was. 6) The contest organizer un-withdraws his map from the contest (as he is the organizer, he can withdraw and un-withdraw as he pleases) and proposes that I should not be awarded the monetary prize. 7) The contest organizer writes me a message telling me to please understand him, saying that he has spent too much money on this contest and to please understand his situation. He never apologized to me. I understand he wanted to recoup a little of that $800 he spent. Or, maybe he spent them thinking it was 100% sure he would win the competition. Surprisingly, when we all gave up the cash prize, the organizer stopped the circus and accepted my map as the winner. 🙄 | ||
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qet
Australia244 Posts
On October 02 2023 00:42 Jealous wrote: A link to said post would be nice. LOL Link to post? https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/610921-new-worlds-map-contest-iii-finals-vote-here?page=5#94 | ||
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