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[ASL15] Ro8 Day 1
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BLinD-RawR
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masoka82
Spain594 Posts
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
but that doesn't matter. fuck it bruh, best fighting!! | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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Magic Powers
Austria3767 Posts
On April 03 2023 18:48 whylessness wrote: look, we all know action is gonna win. he's gonna hydra bust best until his spirit is broken. but that doesn't matter. fuck it bruh, best fighting!! I'm not so sure about that. Best has shown that he can play strong PvZ when it counts. Action is the favorite of course. | ||
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HOLYBATS
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outscar
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sh4w
United States713 Posts
On April 03 2023 19:21 outscar wrote: Action is a scary player to play against. That giant ling attack was terrifying | ||
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oxKnu
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True_Spike
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BLinD-RawR
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sh4w
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RogerChillingworth
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 03 2023 19:56 RogerChillingworth wrote: ASL15ChampBeSt !! don't jinx it. | ||
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Kaal
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Simplistik
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sh4w
United States713 Posts
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HOLYBATS
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whylessness
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Simplistik
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BLinD-RawR
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sh4w
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Magic Powers
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Seacow
Sweden99 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria3767 Posts
On April 03 2023 20:08 Seacow wrote: I'm pretty new to watching BW, can someone explain how Action lost g2? He looked SO far ahead especially after no-cancel killing Best's third. Watching BW is so confusing sometimes, it's like I think SC2's logic applies... He kept attacking with many hydras clumped up and Best was prepared for that old mistake. | ||
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Simplistik
1999 Posts
Instead of consolidating his advantage by expanding or teching, Action kept trying to go for a killing blow. Best correctly read the drops and the attacks and his unit splits were close to perfect. | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
edit: +2 shields now! (3-2-3) i feel like the shields upgrade is often neglected in pvz where archons are so important | ||
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Magic Powers
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Kaal
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oxKnu
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Peeano
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BLinD-RawR
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Kaal
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RogerChillingworth
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HOLY... Freaking campaign mission box art insanity... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Simplistik
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outscar
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Zergxhx
China144 Posts
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sh4w
United States713 Posts
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Simplistik
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Peeano
Netherlands4974 Posts
On April 03 2023 20:51 Simplistik wrote: What are we even watching here?! Your next major battle report lmao | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey726 Posts
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TMNT
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Simplistik
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Simplistik
1999 Posts
I'm gonna call the writers union. These players obviously have it in for us! | ||
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Simplistik
1999 Posts
Sometimes he manages to keep it together... | ||
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Simplistik
1999 Posts
Just needs to go back to play standard. | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2514 Posts
Edit: WB audio | ||
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outscar
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sh4w
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Kaal
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outscar
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Simplistik
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Didn't action have a solid economy on four bases? | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
On April 03 2023 21:20 Simplistik wrote: I was surprised by the gg timing. Didn't action have a solid economy on four bases? TILTED. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4974 Posts
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Bonyth
Poland552 Posts
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oxKnu
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On April 03 2023 21:19 Peeano wrote: Best upgrades ftw. I was worried when he ran 12-16 zealots into a mine field of lurkers earlier. He really didn't want to give Action any time to reinforce it and solidify a soft contain there. Getting armor upgrades so early was definitely a play this series. I think he had a read on Action and what he is going to do in the mid-game. Pretty good adjustment. Also that's one of the ways most P's lose to Zerg on that map. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13002 Posts
Can’t believe he won those games on HBR and Nemesis. I think I saw the supply diff in the nemesis game at 200 v 120 at one point. Incredible. | ||
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Simplistik
1999 Posts
On April 03 2023 23:01 RowdierBob wrote: What a series, so happy for Best. Can’t believe he won those games on HBR and Nemesis. I think I saw the supply diff in the nemesis game at 200 v 120 at one point. Incredible. I'm also quite impressed. Especially Nemesis, where he blew a big lead, but didn't crumble. Looking strong! | ||
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RJBTV
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On April 03 2023 21:19 outscar wrote: Is one DA with maelstrom new meta? BTW BeSt storms become so well, almost Jangbi good. If he plays like this, making hydra bust look like nothing he can take out any zerg. Been Meta since early 2020 to stop muta strategies at the time. Then people moved away from Muta strategies back to hydra and the DA stayed. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1612 Posts
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Miragee
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To be perfectly honest, the real reason why Best won this series is that he scouted so well in games 2-4 and always build the correct amount of defense (enough but not too much) to not die to early hydras. It's very hard to do that and many of the best Protosses could have easily died early here, in which case the series would have gone 3-0 for Action within 30 minutes or so... Late game protoss has always been extremely strong in PvZ. I still have nightmares of trying to fight lategame toss on Bluestorm... It just rarely gets to that point because Hydras. And Dark Archons are underrated. Protosses never build them and if they build them, zergs ignore them... On April 03 2023 21:20 Simplistik wrote: I was surprised by the gg timing. Didn't action have a solid economy on four bases? Economy was solid I think but I think he realised Best was already on 2-2, probably 3-3 on the way. He might have stopped at 2-0, so extremely far behind in upgrades, and just lost his entire lurker force, no sunkens or sim city at his bases. So he was definitely in a rough spot but, as mentioned above, it was the last match in the series in case of a loss, so not trying to fight a little longer seems like an odd decision. | ||
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Lazyer
United States341 Posts
Gonna be hard to top games 2 and 3 of this set in ASL15. The maelstrom usage on HBR was so slick, and almost mining out Nemesis was such a crazy situation. So happy for Best!!! Last Protoss hope looking super strong! | ||
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TMNT
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On April 04 2023 06:37 Miragee wrote: To be perfectly honest, the real reason why Best won this series is that he scouted so well in games 2-4 and always build the correct amount of defense (enough but not too much) to not die to early hydras. It's very hard to do that and many of the best Protosses could have easily died early here, in which case the series would have gone 3-0 for Action within 30 minutes or so... Late game protoss has always been extremely strong in PvZ. I still have nightmares of trying to fight lategame toss on Bluestorm... It just rarely gets to that point because Hydras. Amazing play from Best but honestly, if it wasn't Action who couldn't stop himself from suiciding hydras and drops nonstop for the killing blow, I don't think he could make those comebacks. You put a guy like Soulkey or Hero in those situations and it's 3-0 for Zerg. It's ridiculous in this matchup that Action can opened with hydras to have a game ending threat, but could still transition out of it into a macro game where he had the lead. I mean, Best built the correct amount of cannons to survice - a difficult task in itself - only to continue the game in a position where he was expected to lose. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4170 Posts
yes! beautifully done! An absolutely deserved ro4 appearance, so very happy for him ^^ | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Had a lot of action, and by that i mean action keep suiciding his armies at a good pace. I wouldn't call him match fixing, like many people seems to think. lol Overall good match, i feel like game 4th ended a bit too fast, but cant blame action after what hes been through in previous games (except game 1). Happy for best and i think this ASL is his, if he keep that mindset, no1 in the pool can beat him a bo5 at the moment. | ||
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outscar
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Simplistik
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On April 04 2023 09:05 TMNT wrote: It's ridiculous in this matchup that Action can opened with hydras to have a game ending threat, but could still transition out of it into a macro game where he had the lead. I mean, Best built the correct amount of cannons to survice - a difficult task in itself - only to continue the game in a position where he was expected to lose. I don't think I agree with the assessment. In game 2, Action was behind after the initial Hydra-pressure, and he took a long time to even get his mineral only. The reason he nearly won was the multi-angle Lurker drops that did huge damage. At no point did Action actually have an army that could overwhelm Best in a defensive posture. Similarly in game 3, after the Hydra pressure, Action was actually almost dead. The game went long because Best made the questionable decision to attack Action's natural, instead of going for the softer 3rd base. If he kept his army in tact, to get a couple of Reavers, he could've probably broken the natural. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Nirli
Bulgaria364 Posts
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Miragee
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On April 04 2023 09:05 TMNT wrote: Amazing play from Best but honestly, if it wasn't Action who couldn't stop himself from suiciding hydras and drops nonstop for the killing blow, I don't think he could make those comebacks. You put a guy like Soulkey or Hero in those situations and it's 3-0 for Zerg. It's ridiculous in this matchup that Action can opened with hydras to have a game ending threat, but could still transition out of it into a macro game where he had the lead. I mean, Best built the correct amount of cannons to survice - a difficult task in itself - only to continue the game in a position where he was expected to lose. Completely agree on both points. PvZ always starts with the assumption Protoss will lose in my head. It's such an uphill battle. | ||
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moktira
Ireland1543 Posts
On April 03 2023 21:23 Bonyth wrote: DA always an option when dealing against 973 Can you explain why against 973 specifically? | ||
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Artas1984
Lithuania118 Posts
Honestly Best did not look like a championship level player. It feels like his victories vs. Action come due to the cause of Action's shity decision making and lack of patience - the same happens to Soma more than it should. However, Do Jae Wook's perseverance to never surrender even when the odds seem pathetic is what i admire the most about him. Truly he is that guy which will fight to the very end. And often this results in the most epic games ever. On April 03 2023 19:29 BLinD-RawR wrote: What the hell is wrong with you guys? Most of you do not recommend the first game? But it was a brilliant mini mind game from Action! Do you consider this cheesy? | ||
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Gescom
Canada3357 Posts
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2_2
Poland30 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2385 Posts
On April 05 2023 08:59 Artas1984 wrote: Honestly Best did not look like a championship level player. He had perhaps the best spell usage PvZ I've ever seen. I don't even think I'm exaggerating there. I agree with you that Action likely threw away winning games but I think Best deserves plenty of credit here. Also agree with you about game one by the way, it's something novel to see lings just bust down the gateway and break in like that with four zealots sat there powerless. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
This series was insane, honestly legendary. It's always great when one player has a god tier performance, but when both players play absolutely great games and one shows resolve even greater beyond it's definitely those nerd chills artosis always talks about. wooo! | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
That Game 3 though, hot damn. Shows why BW is the best. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3093 Posts
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Djabanete
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