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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
March 28 2023 08:23 GMT
#2
Group Of Death!
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masoka82
Profile Joined June 2020
Spain594 Posts
March 28 2023 08:25 GMT
#3
Hype!!! Snow & Best for the win!!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 08:39:03
March 28 2023 08:37 GMT
#4
Probably the strongest ro16 group in the history of ASL.. Just.. insane.


PROTOSS FIGHTING ! ! !
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 08:44 GMT
#5
On March 28 2023 17:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Group Of Death!

+1 !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13006 Posts
March 28 2023 08:58 GMT
#6
Could make a strong case for every of these players getting out of the group.

Best is a bit of a choker so I’d prob give him the lowest odds. I reckon light goes #1 and it’ll come down to SK vs Snow.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ruff
Profile Joined August 2006
Kazakhstan179 Posts
March 28 2023 09:01 GMT
#7
Go, SnOw!
"Keep on dreaming, boy, cause someday you will shine" (Ogogo).
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4095 Posts
March 28 2023 09:19 GMT
#8
Rooting for Snow this time, he has reasonable chances. Soulkey is favorite I think.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 28 2023 09:28 GMT
#9
Ridiculous group I want them all to go through. Burn in hell Royal.
I can't believe it but Light seems to be the least likely to advance lmao. Best and Snow are just freaking machines at PvT I don't see him winning against both.
SK is in the exact opposite side, it is unlikely to lose to both Protoss in Bo3. Then there is the PvP randomfest arena. Voted for both P to advance but may as well get both eliminated. Damn Royal.


Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey727 Posts
March 28 2023 09:50 GMT
#10
First P's on the scene. LB:Snow/Light
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
March 28 2023 10:14 GMT
#11
Snow just d.g.a.f.

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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 10:27 GMT
#12
Best with 2 stargates... idk about this.. at least one is hidden
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 10:31 GMT
#13
I think Best is ahead right now..
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 10:36 GMT
#14
Well done Best!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13006 Posts
March 28 2023 10:39 GMT
#15
Impressive macro from Best.

But holy shit it’s 2023 and Protosses are still walking into battles with their HTs at the front of their armies.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 28 2023 10:40 GMT
#16
On March 28 2023 19:14 Zografa wrote:
Snow just d.g.a.f.

Pretty stylish actually
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 10:44 GMT
#17
On March 28 2023 19:39 RowdierBob wrote:
Impressive macro from Best.

But holy shit it’s 2023 and Protosses are still walking into battles with their HTs at the front of their armies.

yes.. he lost at least 2 storms

one ht with 135 - dead without any storm - and one with 200 , barely manage to lay a single storm.
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 10:46 GMT
#18
Let's gooo. BeSt made sairs and Soulkey didn't take a 2nd nat. Ez win for the macro king. The sairs were a nice meat shield when his entire ground army was goons. That was kinda risky tho. If Soulkey defended the attack 5 mutas could have done very heavy dmg.
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 10:47 GMT
#19
I bet Best wants to fight vs Light... he sometimes is so unlucky in PvP...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 14:40:09
March 28 2023 10:48 GMT
#20
On March 28 2023 19:40 Malongo wrote:
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On March 28 2023 19:14 Zografa wrote:
Snow just d.g.a.f.

Pretty stylish actually

Sry but crocs are never stylish lmao.
Snow just wants to feel comfortable as if he were playing at home.
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 10:51 GMT
#21
clumsy scarabs into ast carriers for snow..
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13006 Posts
March 28 2023 11:01 GMT
#22
Poor Snow got rekt.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:03 GMT
#23
Lost too many probes ro go straight cars. Looked like Snow cancelled his goon range to try it anyway. I also got to say: Snow's micro looks very off on stage.
FBH #1!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 28 2023 11:08 GMT
#24
It was fake range to go fast reaver. But I don't think Light knew for sure that Snow skipped range. With normal timing, you're not supposed to have range completed during the 1 goon 1 zealot poke at Light's natural. But somehow Light pulled everything he had for an early push.
Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile161 Posts
March 28 2023 11:08 GMT
#25
Let's go! This might be a lucky day for my LB :D
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:08 GMT
#26
I think it'd better to not update live matches on the event. It avoids spoilering results and it easily looks messy if you do imo. You can scroll the (this) LR thread to see the results and what not.
FBH #1!
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 28 2023 11:08 GMT
#27
Pretty bad and unneeded gamble to go no range robo imo.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
March 28 2023 11:09 GMT
#28
Poll: Recommend BeSt vs Soulkey?

Yes (13)
 
87%

If you have time (2)
 
13%

No (0)
 
0%

15 total votes

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(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend Snow vs Light?

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67%

If you have time (3)
 
20%

No (2)
 
13%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Light?

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
March 28 2023 11:10 GMT
#29
On March 28 2023 20:08 Peeano wrote:
I think it'd better to not update live matches on the event. It avoids spoilering results and it easily looks messy if you do imo. You can scroll the (this) LR thread to see the results and what not.


make the polls at least, can't attend, hope the games are good.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 28 2023 11:12 GMT
#30
Big Balls from Light not banning 76
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 28 2023 11:16 GMT
#31
Light is actually positive (4-3) vs Best on 76 and is also the best performing Terran in TvP on this map. So either he's that confident or he saves some crazy builds for ASL.
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
March 28 2023 11:24 GMT
#32
45 minute game incoming on 76 :D
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
March 28 2023 11:29 GMT
#33
lmao remember when light vs best was considered an autowin for best?
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 28 2023 11:30 GMT
#34
On March 28 2023 20:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:
lmao remember when light vs best was considered an autowin for best?

To think it actually took Light to switch to Protoss to improve, dedication man.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 11:37 GMT
#35
Let's go paper planes!!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:37 GMT
#36
On March 28 2023 20:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2023 20:08 Peeano wrote:
I think it'd better to not update live matches on the event. It avoids spoilering results and it easily looks messy if you do imo. You can scroll the (this) LR thread to see the results and what not.


make the polls at least, can't attend, hope the games are good.

I wasn't at my PC to do fancy shits yet.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:38 GMT
#37
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?

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57%

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29%

No (2)
 
14%

14 total votes

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(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

FBH #1!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 11:43 GMT
#38
On March 28 2023 20:24 Zografa wrote:
45 minute game incoming on 76 :D

don't give me hope..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:44 GMT
#39
Is this Best's map pick? I swear I'm gonna throw my PC out the window if it will be Light and Soulkey making it out of this group ^^
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:46 GMT
#40
We can win if Light keeps putting prio on microing his wraiths and Best keeps macroing like he should.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:49 GMT
#41
Things are looking grim after losing all those filled shuttles :/
FBH #1!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 11:49 GMT
#42
such a shame this map is so rarely played.. it always hosts these banger games
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:50 GMT
#43
Best crucially denies 4th again, but doesn't quite kill the CC this time.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:51 GMT
#44
Would rly like to see arb tech to ice a wraith or dropship flock
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:52 GMT
#45
Looks like Best stabilized and is back in control. Light still no 4th.
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 11:53 GMT
#46
Please keep updating the score Peeano

I need to go go
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:54 GMT
#47
Best fails to unload his shuttles time and time again, but regardless is looking to be in a decent position still.

He cannot let Light take both mid bases though.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:56 GMT
#48
Whoever played LT knows how deadly Tank/Gol on ledges are.
FBH #1!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 11:57 GMT
#49
looks like P is throwing as hard as he possibly can tbh
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 11:58 GMT
#50
This map is BoxeR in his prime's wet dream.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:00 GMT
#51
4 gols fitting in 1 dropship and only 2 goons fit in a shuttle really hurts Best here. He refuses to tech Arbiter. Statis is so good here tbh.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:02 GMT
#52
Mid bases weren't denied and Light is slowly tightening his choke hold on Best.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:06 GMT
#53
A few carriers are out now that could make a difference. Light ignores them and opts to destroy Best's left bot based which was about to be mined out anyway. Light does get to kill the carrier tech, but meanwhile the carriers that are already out are still alive and keep drizzling on one of Light's mid bases.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:07 GMT
#54
Light keeps ignoring the carriers and drops Best's right bottom base to hit Best's eco and carrier tech yet again.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:08 GMT
#55
Surprisingly Light's mid base is still up, but it isn't really mining. Best managed to defend his right bottom base.
FBH #1!
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
March 28 2023 12:08 GMT
#56
this is the game of ASL15 so far imo

Light played so well

o_O
hatred outlives the hateful
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 12:08 GMT
#57
What. A. Game.


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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 12:11:55
March 28 2023 12:11 GMT
#58
The fight over mid was like a ballet. Like Yin and Yang. Best FINALLY breaks it and with that Light has no more economic power to keep macroing and taps out.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:12 GMT
#59
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?

Yes (24)
 
96%

No (1)
 
4%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

25 total votes

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(Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time



FBH #1!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 12:12 GMT
#60
Crazy stuff..

GG!
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Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
March 28 2023 12:12 GMT
#61
On March 28 2023 20:43 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2023 20:24 Zografa wrote:
45 minute game incoming on 76 :D

don't give me hope..

hope
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:13 GMT
#62
Light really had to prioritize killing the carriers at hindsight.
FBH #1!
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey727 Posts
March 28 2023 12:13 GMT
#63
What a game!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 12:13 GMT
#64
On March 28 2023 21:12 Zografa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2023 20:43 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On March 28 2023 20:24 Zografa wrote:
45 minute game incoming on 76 :D

don't give me hope..

hope

thanks, I guess!

haha :D
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile161 Posts
March 28 2023 12:14 GMT
#65
I haven't seen many games in this map, but are Corsairs any good? I feel like sair observer would dominate the air.
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:15 GMT
#66
Let's all raise our hands for Best. This one has good potential to be as close as last game.
FBH #1!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 12:16 GMT
#67
On March 28 2023 21:14 Galacsia wrote:
I haven't seen many games in this map, but are Corsairs any good? I feel like sair observer would dominate the air.

Pretty damn good indeed, from what I've seen. Yes.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 12:16 GMT
#68
It is 1-1 ???
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 28 2023 12:17 GMT
#69
And that was just a standard game on 76, ladies and gentlemen.

Kudos to Light for not banning it and allowing the audience to enjoy some peak entertainment (at the cost of both players' wrist).

You can see how hard that map is to play that even the best players in the world just can't multitask well.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:17 GMT
#70
On March 28 2023 21:14 Galacsia wrote:
I haven't seen many games in this map, but are Corsairs any good? I feel like sair observer would dominate the air.

You need a lot for them to effectively shut down dropships before they can unload and they can only be at one place at a time. Also observer moves slow even with speed, so cloak wraith can still be a threat. High templar in shuttle can deal with wraith so much more efficiently.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:17 GMT
#71
On March 28 2023 21:16 prosatan wrote:
It is 1-1 ???

Yup
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:19 GMT
#72
On March 28 2023 21:17 TMNT wrote:
You can see how hard that map is to play that even the best players in the world just can't multitask well.

The best players in the world are merely men after all
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Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
March 28 2023 12:19 GMT
#73
On March 28 2023 21:17 TMNT wrote:
And that was just a standard game on 76, ladies and gentlemen.

Kudos to Light for not banning it and allowing the audience to enjoy some peak entertainment (at the cost of both players' wrist).

You can see how hard that map is to play that even the best players in the world just can't multitask well.


If you follow their apm it really declines every minute after the 15th. So damaging to wrist health and yet so entertaining.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 12:20 GMT
#74
On March 28 2023 21:17 TMNT wrote:
And that was just a standard game on 76, ladies and gentlemen.

Kudos to Light for not banning it and allowing the audience to enjoy some peak entertainment (at the cost of both players' wrist).

You can see how hard that map is to play that even the best players in the world just can't multitask well.

yep.. we really need a "Only 76" bo3 16 player single elimination tournament with bo5 finals, haha
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:21 GMT
#75
Nice defense by Best despite carelessly letting in all 4 vultures lol
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:23 GMT
#76
Nice big scarab killing about 6-7 scvs
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:24 GMT
#77
Now Best just needs to follow up with some storm drops on the scvs and he could easily macro his way to victory.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:24 GMT
#78
Best says no and just opts to end it RIGHT NOW
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
March 28 2023 12:25 GMT
#79
damn I voted for Light and Snow..

Best Im sorry I doubted you

;;
hatred outlives the hateful
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:26 GMT
#80
Nice bust, with the classic zealot train follow up running over the map. The latter wasn't even needed to finish off Light. Beautifully done by Best.
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
March 28 2023 12:26 GMT
#81
Light completely missed the bust timing? If he landed two buildings in front of his natural? maybe he could have held this?

that felt.. a bit weird =/

GGs
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:26 GMT
#82
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?

Yes (11)
 
73%

If you have time (4)
 
27%

No (0)
 
0%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 12:26 GMT
#83
YES ! ! ! BEAUTIFUL ! ! !

very happy right now ^^

GGs!
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:30 GMT
#84
On March 28 2023 21:25 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
damn I voted for Light and Snow..

Best Im sorry I doubted you

;;

Light and Snow advancing was never going to happen, but it's a safe 50/50 bet ^^
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
March 28 2023 12:32 GMT
#85
lol that "omg im on camera" girl
CeJo1
Profile Joined August 2021
32 Posts
March 28 2023 12:32 GMT
#86
Best making out of a group of death? Wow. I hope finally he can make it in the ASL
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 12:33:36
March 28 2023 12:33 GMT
#87
Best just kept yapping about and wouldn't let the host round up the interview. Dude is so happy right now lol
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Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile161 Posts
March 28 2023 12:35 GMT
#88
I knew this was the one! Now's time for Light to survive the Terran killer that's coming to him.
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 28 2023 12:35 GMT
#89
With everything that happened this season, it does make sense that Best top this group (and 2 of Soulkey, Snow and Light out).

Can't choke when you are not the favorite.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
March 28 2023 12:38 GMT
#90
Light messed up badly (supply block, failing to scout etc)

But still Best executed to perfection.
I think if you put any protoss in single player to compare and no one macros as well as this guy.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 12:41:24
March 28 2023 12:39 GMT
#91
Now let's hope Snow's comfy crocs will actually help him micro properly.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 12:42 GMT
#92
another great game incoming, hopefully
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:47 GMT
#93
Soulkey taking another main as 3rd over a nat. That doesn't fit his play style but it makes a lot of sense with such a tiny ramp. Cool to see another 76 game honestly.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:50 GMT
#94
Uh oh. It seems like Soulkey may want to end this on 3 bases and Snow just carelessly lost a bunch of zealots and got hurt on the others.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:51 GMT
#95
Snow gets good connects with his reavers and crucially doesn't out right lose them.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 12:52 GMT
#96
uhm.........


???
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:53 GMT
#97
Well that wasn't enough. Soulkey really powered on his 3 bases and just overwhelmed Snow whom had triple tech going on 2 bases.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 12:53 GMT
#98
nevermind then, lol
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:54 GMT
#99
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?

Yes (4)
 
36%

No (4)
 
36%

If you have time (3)
 
27%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 12:55 GMT
#100
Come on Snow! T_T
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 28 2023 13:04 GMT
#101
Soulkey just takes full advantage of the ZvP matchup, switching tech all over the place to confuse Snow in both games.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:05 GMT
#102
Will the infamous 6 hatch hydra be the death of Snow?
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:08 GMT
#103
Absolutely ridicilous how many +1 hydra Soulkey can produce with 6 hatch. 150 psi vs 120. Slowly pulling ahead even more.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:09 GMT
#104
Snow is gonna need every ht to do the work of 2 if he wants to break Soulkey.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 13:45:22
March 28 2023 13:11 GMT
#105
Soulkey is playing the containing and starvation game with Snow
Those 3 bridges are so killer as well and the small alley high ground above Snow's 3rd.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:11 GMT
#106
Ugh.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 13:12:37
March 28 2023 13:12 GMT
#107
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?

If you have time (5)
 
42%

Yes (4)
 
33%

No (3)
 
25%

12 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?

Yes (6)
 
75%

If you have time (2)
 
25%

No (0)
 
0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 13:12 GMT
#108
Disgusting.
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Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland560 Posts
March 28 2023 13:13 GMT
#109
no cybernetics before gateway died, might as well gg just there
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:15 GMT
#110
This is what seems to happen nowadays if Protoss can't get favorable early zealot harass. I'm sad Snow wasn't even close to showing what he is capable of today.
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Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile161 Posts
March 28 2023 13:16 GMT
#111
This really has to be my lucky day. My favorite player passes on 1st place, my least favorite player gets eliminated on last place. We're getting great games and Light still has a good chance to move on to ro8 :D
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:18 GMT
#112
Soulkey vs Light can really go either way. Let's see if Light was shaken by Best busting him. Would be funny if both Snow and Light get eliminated today lol
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:21 GMT
#113
8 rax close spawns vs 12 something
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 28 2023 13:21 GMT
#114
I think the player who wins the next series will go on to win the whole tournament.

Best can upset Soulkey and Light in a BO1/3 series, but now that Royal Rush Snow Mini and Soma are all out (still can't believe it), no one can beat either of them in a BO5/7.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:21 GMT
#115
12 hatch it is
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:23 GMT
#116
Soulkey made 0 lings. Lmao. That's so sick.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:24 GMT
#117
Only just now made 1 pair of lings to scout.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:27 GMT
#118
That was cute. Showing additional "2 sunks" to Light's scan timing and then cancels his building colony and doesn't even make a 2nd one.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:28 GMT
#119
Soulkey really loves to power, squeeze out as many drones as you can get away with early. Quite similar to how Hero likes to play.
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Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 13:29:54
March 28 2023 13:29 GMT
#120
wow, there were no turrets in main and muta just went away
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:29 GMT
#121
Usually Hero would already be punished by Light by now for powering, so it's looking good for Soulkey.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:32 GMT
#122
Soulkey has orange cloud out, but at what cost? He did NOT deal with the valkyries appropiately
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:32 GMT
#123
All his eggs and minerals are being used to rebuild ovies.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 13:33:50
March 28 2023 13:33 GMT
#124
He finally built a 4th hatch, but likely much much too late by now.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:35 GMT
#125
He needed 5 hatcheries by now to have a decent fighting chance. Light is taking his sweet ass time. He teched into mech instead of dropships to seal the deal quickly.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:36 GMT
#126
Why go for the 95% victory if you can go for the 99%? -Light probably
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:37 GMT
#127
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 1?

If you have time (7)
 
58%

Yes (3)
 
25%

No (2)
 
17%

12 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
March 28 2023 13:49 GMT
#128
man I fucking love brood war
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:49 GMT
#129
I was gonna say Light is very patient and dilligent with his valkyries, but that just now looked quite bad lol
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:51 GMT
#130
Light is again following it up with a mech transition. This time Soulkey is in MUCH better shape.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:53 GMT
#131
Light kinda played this one like a TvP. No map control whatsoever.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
March 28 2023 13:54 GMT
#132
rubber match as we near the 4 hour mark on broadcast.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:54 GMT
#133
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?

Yes (10)
 
77%

If you have time (3)
 
23%

No (0)
 
0%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 13:56 GMT
#134
Light looks exhausted. This should be Soulkey's match to lose.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 28 2023 13:58 GMT
#135
Soulkey must be the smartest out of him Light and Snow. He's the only one who banned 76. I mean Snow and Light, why wouldn't you ban a map in which your matchup vs the opponent has a sub-40% win rate.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 14:05 GMT
#136
Beautiful by Soulkey, killing the amount of mm he has without any lurks.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 14:10 GMT
#137
Triple D-Matrix 3 firebat stim in to deal with the stacked lurkers. That looked like it coulda been game right there. Soulkey holds and we're back to square 1.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 14:12 GMT
#138
The first 2 BC are dealt with just fine. Cows are now out on the map.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 14:14:26
March 28 2023 14:14 GMT
#139
Soulkey threatens to use the deadly ketchup hydra, instead cleans up Light's bio ball with ling/ultra as Light backs off.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 14:15 GMT
#140
Is this the beginning of the end? Light just lost all his map presence.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 14:18 GMT
#141
If there is any time Light needed mines it was 1 minute ago. About 40 of them.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
March 28 2023 14:19 GMT
#142
JyJ is going to be the only terran in the Ro8 I guess.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 14:20 GMT
#143
It is over???

Many thanks Peeano for LR-ing!!!!!
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
March 28 2023 14:20 GMT
#144
dlwogh face lol
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 14:24:35
March 28 2023 14:20 GMT
#145
Soulkey breached 2 of Light's key expansions and hit a big ketchup on all of Light's vessels to make him tap out. He was gonna be trampled by a huge army on his natural right after that anyway.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 14:20 GMT
#146
LB : light and snow! I feel so smart....
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 14:21 GMT
#147
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?

Yes (15)
 
88%

If you have time (2)
 
12%

No (0)
 
0%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 14:22 GMT
#148
On March 28 2023 23:20 prosatan wrote:
LB : light and snow! I feel so smart....

You used your instinct rather than your brain.
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Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile161 Posts
March 28 2023 14:23 GMT
#149
I feel like I jinxed it lol
Well, Mind and Bisu will balance the ro8 out, mark my words!
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
CeJo1
Profile Joined August 2021
32 Posts
March 28 2023 14:24 GMT
#150
I was rooting for Best/Soulkey. This feels soooo good now
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 28 2023 14:28 GMT
#151
Wow I just realize that JD might actually win this season. All the big Terrans are knocked out and a lot of Zergs left and the Protosses are doable for him.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-28 14:33:53
March 28 2023 14:31 GMT
#152
All 3 of the short zerg brethren got through. This is going to be the ASL of zergs when hero also gets through tomorrow.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 14:32 GMT
#153
5Z 2T 1P in the ro8 most probably..

fuck sake.. -.-
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 14:33 GMT
#154
On March 28 2023 23:28 TMNT wrote:
Wow I just realize that JD might actually win this season. All the big Terrans are knocked out and a lot of Zergs left and the Protosses are doable for him.

Exactly. It will be so good for JD's rep if he does this. Best winning it all would be a much funnier story however.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
March 28 2023 14:34 GMT
#155
On March 28 2023 23:22 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2023 23:20 prosatan wrote:
LB : light and snow! I feel so smart....

You used your instinct rather than your brain.

Correct
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1023 Posts
March 28 2023 14:53 GMT
#156
Best is looking good against zerg, but he certainly will need to keep bringing his A-game on stage for the upcoming RO8, as he will most likely face a zerg (Zero or even more scarier, Action)
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
March 28 2023 15:42 GMT
#157
On March 28 2023 23:53 TornadoSteve wrote:
Best is looking good against zerg, but he certainly will need to keep bringing his A-game on stage for the upcoming RO8, as he will most likely face a zerg (Zero or even more scarier, Action)

Everyone is going to face Zerg in the RO8 honestly, even the Zergs xDD
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
March 28 2023 15:43 GMT
#158
On March 28 2023 23:32 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
5Z 2T 1P in the ro8 most probably..

fuck sake.. -.-

Dont be sad, it could be 5Z, 1T and 2P :-))
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 28 2023 15:44 GMT
#159
Guys, with how this season is going, you can't rule out Hero and Bisu going home tomorrow.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
March 28 2023 15:47 GMT
#160
On March 29 2023 00:43 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2023 23:32 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
5Z 2T 1P in the ro8 most probably..

fuck sake.. -.-

Dont be sad, it could be 5Z, 1T and 2P :-))

that's slightly better, yes.. although still a shitty distribution.. because I don't like ZvZ

4Z 2T 2P would be the best case scenario, but I don't see that happening, unfortunately..
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superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
March 28 2023 16:14 GMT
#161
Whaaaat Light and Snow are out?? I missed this live, I definitely need to watch it tonight.

Just crossing my fingers we don't have a ZvZ finals. I have nothing against Zerg, but ZvZ matches are way too short. And too much coin flipping.
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
March 28 2023 16:41 GMT
#162
Best...!
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
March 28 2023 17:11 GMT
#163
Best is Zest
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RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
March 28 2023 17:14 GMT
#164
On March 28 2023 23:19 BLinD-RawR wrote:
JyJ is going to be the only terran in the Ro8 I guess.

Don't count ssak and mind out! ssak's currently a wildcard of a player and Mind's been showing strong performances online.
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
March 28 2023 18:45 GMT
#165
i hope for all terrans to be out, so JD has a chance at winning the whole thing
FunkyDragoon
Profile Joined January 2022
39 Posts
March 28 2023 19:08 GMT
#166
Ssak is one of these players that suddenly appear out of nowhere and take out a player like Soma or Mini. The guy surely likes to pull off a surprise. Should be interesting
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
March 28 2023 19:16 GMT
#167
THE BEST MAN WON
May the BeSt man win.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
March 28 2023 20:50 GMT
#168
Why in the world SnOw made like 4 archons on 1st game vs. SK - those could've been 8 HT with storms vs. hydras.

SK surprised me that he got out from group of death especially after how Light dominated him on g1. I swear SK is the scariest player to play bo5/7 so this time he is winner contender.

On March 28 2023 23:28 TMNT wrote:
Wow I just realize that JD might actually win this season. All the big Terrans are knocked out and a lot of Zergs left and the Protosses are doable for him.


Just watch how he gets sniped by ZvZ... Btw how ro8 bracket works, I hope they will rig it to give JD deeper run. JD vs. JyJ is what I'm hoping for.
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2848 Posts
March 28 2023 21:17 GMT
#169
On March 29 2023 04:16 Djabanete wrote:
THE BEST MAN WON


Oh YEAH! Go BeSt. Beastly performance.

GGs!
aka wilted_kale
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 28 2023 21:58 GMT
#170
On March 29 2023 05:50 outscar wrote:

Just watch how he gets sniped by ZvZ... Btw how ro8 bracket works, I hope they will rig it to give JD deeper run. JD vs. JyJ is what I'm hoping for.

They are both top of their groups so won't meet. Possible opponents for JD are Queen, Soulkey and Hero/Bisu.

There is a possibility that JD will entirely JvZ his way to championship lol.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13006 Posts
March 28 2023 22:22 GMT
#171
I'm glad we at least got a protoss through to the ro8.

Really like the addition of 76 into the map pool. Creates unique games.

Tough day for Light. He looked like the best player in the group in some games, and others just like another Terran. Would like to know his thoughts on why he went away from his Valkyrie build in game 3 vs SK.

Hopefully we get Bisu and Mind/Ssak advancing tonight.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Artas1984
Profile Joined August 2018
Lithuania119 Posts
March 28 2023 22:48 GMT
#172
WTF is going on here? The StarCastTV premiere is happening RIGHT NOW, the players are just starting match1 and there is 9 pages of talk already? LMAO...
iRkSupperman
Profile Joined October 2022
Norway130 Posts
March 28 2023 23:04 GMT
#173
DOMAN
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 28 2023 23:26 GMT
#174
On March 29 2023 07:48 Artas1984 wrote:
WTF is going on here? The StarCastTV premiere is happening RIGHT NOW, the players are just starting match1 and there is 9 pages of talk already? LMAO...

That's the VOD premiering. The live cast was 11+ hours ago.
FBH #1!
CeJo1
Profile Joined August 2021
32 Posts
March 28 2023 23:51 GMT
#175
On March 29 2023 07:22 RowdierBob wrote:
I'm glad we at least got a protoss through to the ro8.

Really like the addition of 76 into the map pool. Creates unique games.

Tough day for Light. He looked like the best player in the group in some games, and others just like another Terran. Would like to know his thoughts on why he went away from his Valkyrie build in game 3 vs SK.

Hopefully we get Bisu and Mind/Ssak advancing tonight.


Well, in game 2 he went for valkyrie and lost that game
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-29 07:17:55
March 29 2023 07:08 GMT
#176
On March 29 2023 05:50 outscar wrote:
Why in the world SnOw made like 4 archons on 1st game vs. SK - those could've been 8 HT with storms vs. hydras.

SK surprised me that he got out from group of death especially after how Light dominated him on g1. I swear SK is the scariest player to play bo5/7 so this time he is winner contender.

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2023 23:28 TMNT wrote:
Wow I just realize that JD might actually win this season. All the big Terrans are knocked out and a lot of Zergs left and the Protosses are doable for him.


Just watch how he gets sniped by ZvZ... Btw how ro8 bracket works, I hope they will rig it to give JD deeper run. JD vs. JyJ is what I'm hoping for.

lol what?
last 3 months of sponmatches JD has the best score in ZvZ and the worst in ZvT, its the opposite you have to hope for. JyJ might be ok for him because JyJ lacks offline experience in deep tournaments but still he is terran
Just see the zergs in top10 for this year all positive vs terran, only JD is negative and vice versa - JD has the best ZvZ score out of them by a large margin(also has the most games)
Also JyJ is with good stats vs Z(9th position in this ladder).

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On March 29 2023 06:58 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2023 05:50 outscar wrote:

Just watch how he gets sniped by ZvZ... Btw how ro8 bracket works, I hope they will rig it to give JD deeper run. JD vs. JyJ is what I'm hoping for.

They are both top of their groups so won't meet. Possible opponents for JD are Queen, Soulkey and Hero/Bisu.

There is a possibility that JD will entirely JvZ his way to championship lol.



If JD avoids terrans he has legit chance of winning this whole thing(imo).

So is it 1st vs 2nd for sure? Or there will be another draw with all qualified and position does not matter?
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-29 08:13:46
March 29 2023 08:05 GMT
#177
I am happy SK advanced but it sucks to see Light get robbed by a map like 76. When you’ve watched Broodwar long enough you realize “innovative” maps like 76 and Battle Royal (etc) are (essentially) garbage… I used to be excited about maps like this because I wanted to see players “overcome” and “innovate”… but it never works out like that.

Light did have his chances to advance but 76 made it that much harder.

I like innovative maps but they should be battle tested before being placed in a top tier tournament. I would say they are fun but we all know which way certain matchups will go… where is the fun in that?

When T has to open 2 port wraith in TvP it shows you where the map is at

Edit: for what it’s worth, of course I’m a salty T fan here. Forgive me
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4095 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-29 08:50:20
March 29 2023 08:49 GMT
#178
On March 29 2023 17:05 Vasoline73 wrote:
I am happy SK advanced but it sucks to see Light get robbed by a map like 76. When you’ve watched Broodwar long enough you realize “innovative” maps like 76 and Battle Royal (etc) are (essentially) garbage… I used to be excited about maps like this because I wanted to see players “overcome” and “innovate”… but it never works out like that.

Light did have his chances to advance but 76 made it that much harder.

I like innovative maps but they should be battle tested before being placed in a top tier tournament. I would say they are fun but we all know which way certain matchups will go… where is the fun in that?

When T has to open 2 port wraith in TvP it shows you where the map is at

Edit: for what it’s worth, of course I’m a salty T fan here. Forgive me


I don't see Light being robbed. I think he didn't play as well as he could. He had good winning chances and went for an ill-advised drop that cost him the game on 76.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States342 Posts
March 29 2023 08:52 GMT
#179
LOL 76 was such a crazy map. Insane to me that it wasn't vetoed. It was pretty amusing to see what each player thought was going to work in real time.

I had low hopes for toss in this group, but very pleasantly surprised with Best. I really thought he was going to lose to Soulkey.

Great day for the games though, good back and forth in most of them. Hope I wake up tomorrow to some equally good games!
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
March 31 2023 09:02 GMT
#180
Looks like this season we might get the epic final installment of the trilogy of Zero vs Hero third place series, or better yet a ZvZ finals.

In all seriousness though, despite the lopsided racial distribution, this is a really exciting and competitive ro8 bracket.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria370 Posts
March 31 2023 14:53 GMT
#181
Absolutely devastated that Light is out, but he has only himself to blame for playing 76. Literally cost him his spot in RO8.

Absolutely ecstatic Snow is out. Horrendous play. TMNT, where you at?

Also, Best is out the next round, very unimpressive play.

At least my homeboy SK advanced, guess I'll be rooting for him as far as Z is concerned.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
March 31 2023 19:48 GMT
#182
Epic games in this group. Best vs Light on 76 was wild, loved it. It was a downer that Best won in the end because of one wrong decision by Light but still a sick match overall.
Quite sad that Light is out. It's sad how times have changed. I used to dislike Light because he was the 100 % standard, never deviate guy and also was pretty much only (insanely) good at TvZ. Now he is sick in all three match ups, brings in new strategies, mixes it up, plays smart on the fly. Great player which should have advanced but it also showed how tough this group actually was.

On March 31 2023 23:53 Nirli wrote:
Absolutely devastated that Light is out, but he has only himself to blame for playing 76. Literally cost him his spot in RO8.


I disagree. I think he had that match. The moment he decided to drop bottom right instead of bringing the carriers down in the middle he lost the match. Very unfortunate decision, though tbf understandable because he didn't have full vision and if he could have gotten bottom right he would have also won.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
March 31 2023 20:39 GMT
#183
On March 31 2023 23:53 Nirli wrote:
Absolutely ecstatic Snow is out. Horrendous play. TMNT, where you at?

Wow I thought many people educating you in the other topic was enough to shut you up, and I didn't even bother to call you out when Mini was out of Ro24 losing to Ssak.

Yet here's you calling me out because Snow is out of Ro16 in the most ridiculous group in recent memory. What's your point anyway? He's out of Ro16 so he's not a top player??? Are you that thick?
Artas1984
Profile Joined August 2018
Lithuania119 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-31 23:51:52
March 31 2023 23:47 GMT
#184
On April 01 2023 05:39 TMNT wrote:

He's out (Snow) of Ro16 so he's not a top player??? Are you that thick?


I agree with TMNT here. Looking at the recent results, Snow got a 67 % win rate in his past 407 online matches while the next top guy Mini gets "only" 56 %? You have got to be shitting me! Snow reached his highest performance peak of all time, did surpass everyone BY FAR, so it is insane that Snow is out even more than Mini, Soma, Royal, Rush and Light and Bisu.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria370 Posts
April 01 2023 04:44 GMT
#185
On April 01 2023 05:39 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2023 23:53 Nirli wrote:
Absolutely ecstatic Snow is out. Horrendous play. TMNT, where you at?

Wow I thought many people educating you in the other topic was enough to shut you up, and I didn't even bother to call you out when Mini was out of Ro24 losing to Ssak.

Yet here's you calling me out because Snow is out of Ro16 in the most ridiculous group in recent memory. What's your point anyway? He's out of Ro16 so he's not a top player??? Are you that thick?


I still feel uneducated and will feel so until Snow wins something.

Or do you mean getting schooled like Snow just got schooled? Did you watch the games?

And don't tell me "but did you see X player"? My issue is with Snow and will be with Snow.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
April 01 2023 07:28 GMT
#186
On April 01 2023 13:44 Nirli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2023 05:39 TMNT wrote:
On March 31 2023 23:53 Nirli wrote:
Absolutely ecstatic Snow is out. Horrendous play. TMNT, where you at?

Wow I thought many people educating you in the other topic was enough to shut you up, and I didn't even bother to call you out when Mini was out of Ro24 losing to Ssak.

Yet here's you calling me out because Snow is out of Ro16 in the most ridiculous group in recent memory. What's your point anyway? He's out of Ro16 so he's not a top player??? Are you that thick?


I still feel uneducated and will feel so until Snow wins something.

Or do you mean getting schooled like Snow just got schooled? Did you watch the games?

And don't tell me "but did you see X player"? My issue is with Snow and will be with Snow.

Here's a thought:

You're free to express your happiness/sadness about a player's performance. Everyone does. No one cares. But if you call me out you better have a point now. You don't.

But you kinda made a big point about Snow being a mid-tier player but at the same time also claimed Mini and Bisu are top-tier.

I, along with others, already pointed out to you, with FACTS, that in the modern era, Snow's performance is at least on par with Mini and Bisu, whether it was past ASLs, this ASL, or online.

He's on fucking 75% in Major Proleague in March. Seventy-five percent! And that 75% came from only playing with tier 1 players. Not even counted the stats padding stuff like beating Barracks 9-0 in UBE.

Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4095 Posts
April 01 2023 07:36 GMT
#187
Losing a handful of games means very little, unless it's against vastly inferior players.
There's no doubt Snow has improved a ton before this ASL and he's now among the top protoss players. Even in PvZ really only Bisu can hold a candle to him, and otherwise he's also a beast. This current Snow is very different from the one we're used to seeing.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
April 04 2023 14:10 GMT
#188
Just watched the games, not really surprised at the result, the map pool is quite bad for Terran imo. Island maps like 76 are never good for T and Nemesis is even worse I think. Light tried his best but I guess it was his own fault he couldn't close it out in the last game on a standard map.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-05 19:55:03
April 05 2023 19:54 GMT
#189
I just want to dig this thread up to say Snow just beat Royal 8-1 in the Ultimate Battle. Before that he beat Barracks 9-0 (nothing surprising tho) and beat Rush 7-2. Only Light can go head to head with Snow in TvP (or lose in a respectable manner).

No wonder why Royal put him in this group lmao.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
April 05 2023 19:59 GMT
#190
Now looking at this kind of results, it begs the question that why Snow can't be that good in PvZ (he's been eliminated by Zergs 7 seasons in a row now). And likewise, why Bisu can't be that good in PvT.

It almost feels like Protoss becomes a different race depending on the match-up. And I haven't started on PvP. It's probably one of the reasons why they are the least succesful race at pro level.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
April 05 2023 20:56 GMT
#191
On April 06 2023 04:59 TMNT wrote:
Now looking at this kind of results, it begs the question that why Snow can't be that good in PvZ (he's been eliminated by Zergs 7 seasons in a row now). And likewise, why Bisu can't be that good in PvT.

It almost feels like Protoss becomes a different race depending on the match-up. And I haven't started on PvP. It's probably one of the reasons why they are the least succesful race at pro level.


I have also pondered about this for a long while. Every protoss who seems to be good at PvZ is kind of mediocre in PvT compared to most protoss players which are good at PvT. The difference I noticed with players like Bisu and Mini is that they are relentless with their aggression, starting early on and are also very good at small scale battles. This helps to keep the zerg down. However, this doesn't translate well into PvT where you can achieve way less with just a few units in the early to midgame stages, without a big commitment (e.g. reaver). You also need great control of big armies against terran. Neither Mini nor Bisu have particularly good control with these massive armies against terran. I always see bugging goons in the front and zealots stuck in the back. I also feel like engagements in PvT need to be more strategic whereas in PvZ they need to be decisive. It often feels like Bisu especially doesn't know where and when to attack a terran. Players like Best on the other hand know that but even if they attack into something that looks impossible to break, they now how to execute the attack. It sure takes very different mindsets for the two match ups.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
April 06 2023 00:53 GMT
#192
God damn some serious snow hate in here. Well played by best though, glad we have at least one protoss in the round of 8 (for now).
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
April 06 2023 08:31 GMT
#193
I'm disappointed that Snow is out, but relieved that one Protoss made it out of the group.

As for the games, Snow tried a particular opening against Light, it didn't work and then he couldn't recover. That kinda stuff happens all the time. Can't play safe every game, especially not against top opposition.

Against herO, Snow did look outmatched. But herO is one of the best ZvP'ers in the game and this is Snow's weakest match-up, so it was always going to be tough. I don't think Snow was chanceless going into that match, but he was the underdog.

I just hope that Protoss do a bit better generally next season...
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Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria370 Posts
April 06 2023 14:51 GMT
#194
On April 01 2023 16:28 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2023 13:44 Nirli wrote:
On April 01 2023 05:39 TMNT wrote:
On March 31 2023 23:53 Nirli wrote:
Absolutely ecstatic Snow is out. Horrendous play. TMNT, where you at?

Wow I thought many people educating you in the other topic was enough to shut you up, and I didn't even bother to call you out when Mini was out of Ro24 losing to Ssak.

Yet here's you calling me out because Snow is out of Ro16 in the most ridiculous group in recent memory. What's your point anyway? He's out of Ro16 so he's not a top player??? Are you that thick?


I still feel uneducated and will feel so until Snow wins something.

Or do you mean getting schooled like Snow just got schooled? Did you watch the games?

And don't tell me "but did you see X player"? My issue is with Snow and will be with Snow.

Here's a thought:

You're free to express your happiness/sadness about a player's performance. Everyone does. No one cares. But if you call me out you better have a point now. You don't.

But you kinda made a big point about Snow being a mid-tier player but at the same time also claimed Mini and Bisu are top-tier.

I, along with others, already pointed out to you, with FACTS, that in the modern era, Snow's performance is at least on par with Mini and Bisu, whether it was past ASLs, this ASL, or online.

He's on fucking 75% in Major Proleague in March. Seventy-five percent! And that 75% came from only playing with tier 1 players. Not even counted the stats padding stuff like beating Barracks 9-0 in UBE.



And I shall forever curse myself for giving you that ammo (or straw).

Until he wins ASL, basically the most prestigious BW tournament right now, I will never consider him top tier.

He can beat whomever 100x times in whatever league, does it matter when you can't cut it for the most important thing?

You and I will never reach a consensus, but I do find it interesting to rile things up a bit for our favorite dusty game.

QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
April 06 2023 19:26 GMT
#195
On April 06 2023 23:51 Nirli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2023 16:28 TMNT wrote:
On April 01 2023 13:44 Nirli wrote:
On April 01 2023 05:39 TMNT wrote:
On March 31 2023 23:53 Nirli wrote:
Absolutely ecstatic Snow is out. Horrendous play. TMNT, where you at?

Wow I thought many people educating you in the other topic was enough to shut you up, and I didn't even bother to call you out when Mini was out of Ro24 losing to Ssak.

Yet here's you calling me out because Snow is out of Ro16 in the most ridiculous group in recent memory. What's your point anyway? He's out of Ro16 so he's not a top player??? Are you that thick?


I still feel uneducated and will feel so until Snow wins something.

Or do you mean getting schooled like Snow just got schooled? Did you watch the games?

And don't tell me "but did you see X player"? My issue is with Snow and will be with Snow.

Here's a thought:

You're free to express your happiness/sadness about a player's performance. Everyone does. No one cares. But if you call me out you better have a point now. You don't.

But you kinda made a big point about Snow being a mid-tier player but at the same time also claimed Mini and Bisu are top-tier.

I, along with others, already pointed out to you, with FACTS, that in the modern era, Snow's performance is at least on par with Mini and Bisu, whether it was past ASLs, this ASL, or online.

He's on fucking 75% in Major Proleague in March. Seventy-five percent! And that 75% came from only playing with tier 1 players. Not even counted the stats padding stuff like beating Barracks 9-0 in UBE.



And I shall forever curse myself for giving you that ammo (or straw).

Until he wins ASL, basically the most prestigious BW tournament right now, I will never consider him top tier.

He can beat whomever 100x times in whatever league, does it matter when you can't cut it for the most important thing?

You and I will never reach a consensus, but I do find it interesting to rile things up a bit for our favorite dusty game.


I'm less confused about why you don't consider him top tier, even if your reasons are dumb, and more confused about why you can't go ten seconds without announcing it.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4095 Posts
April 08 2023 09:25 GMT
#196
A lot of the time these days Snow looks close to untouchable even against some top players. The main question is if his nerves are made for tournaments, and if his greed will persist. My hot take: good chance he'll make people who say protoss is the worst race eat their words.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Shinrei
Profile Joined February 2007
United States237 Posts
April 08 2023 14:58 GMT
#197
Snow is a multiple ASL finalist. Calling him anything less than top tier is just a biased and untrue opinion.
=^.^=
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
April 08 2023 15:21 GMT
#198
On April 08 2023 18:25 Magic Powers wrote:
A lot of the time these days Snow looks close to untouchable even against some top players. The main question is if his nerves are made for tournaments, and if his greed will persist. My hot take: good chance he'll make people who say protoss is the worst race eat their words.

It's baffling because while ASL has been going on, he won the Sanpao StarLeague Spring Cup Season 4 and KCM Race Survival 2023 Season 1 Finals.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
April 08 2023 18:53 GMT
#199
On April 09 2023 00:21 QOGQOG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2023 18:25 Magic Powers wrote:
A lot of the time these days Snow looks close to untouchable even against some top players. The main question is if his nerves are made for tournaments, and if his greed will persist. My hot take: good chance he'll make people who say protoss is the worst race eat their words.

It's baffling because while ASL has been going on, he won the Sanpao StarLeague Spring Cup Season 4 and KCM Race Survival 2023 Season 1 Finals.

It's not too surprised. If anyone follows Proleague, they can see that any player in the top 10 can beat any other on a given day.

If you're of Ro8 quality, you most likely can beat a Ro16 player in a BO3. But if two Ro8 players play each other, the result can go either way in a BO3. Only when the series goes long enough (BO5/7/9), the "better" player (the gap between them is really small) can ultimately dominate. For example, Snow was also down 0-2 in the semi of Sanpao Cup against Royal, but it's a BO7 so he came back.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4095 Posts
April 08 2023 19:14 GMT
#200
It's starting to get quite difficult though to argue that Snow is currently only slightly ahead of the competition. Lately he's been on a tear, and that's visible not only from his results but also from the way he plays. Some of his games look as if he's toying with his elite opponents.
Some of that could be a fluke, but it's beginning to enter statistically unlikely territory. If he keeps this up for just one more month, the hype train will be rolling full steam ahead.
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