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[ASL15] Ro24 Group F
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BLinD-RawR
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Peeano
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![[image loading]](https://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/post-14673-1190868925.jpg) Just imagine this dude advancing 2-0 from this group | ||
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whylessness
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prosatan
Romania7456 Posts
Come on, Daniel! Your favorite player is playing today! I think he has chances, at least vs JyJ and vs Sacsri. | ||
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Akio
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Peeano
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On March 08 2023 14:49 prosatan wrote: Let's go Stork! Come on, Daniel! Your favorite player is playing today! I think he has chances, at least vs JyJ and vs Sacsri. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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prosatan
Romania7456 Posts
On March 08 2023 15:06 Peeano wrote: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpmIOcoYZJ0&t=11m43s Amazing find!   | ||
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Lazyer
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Peeano
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masoka82
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 08 2023 16:25 Peeano wrote: Maybe read the preview BR wrote about the group? I'll give the cliffnotes version. He actually stands a decent chance. | ||
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Lazyer
United States316 Posts
On March 08 2023 17:33 BLinD-RawR wrote: I'll give the cliffnotes version. He actually stands a decent chance. ty i totally forgot about the preview post | ||
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Simplistik
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Simplistik
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It seems like the first two matches are always on HBR, and then what? Is there some kind of veto? | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
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Simplistik
1891 Posts
On March 08 2023 18:29 whylessness wrote: first two matches are on hbr. then, the winner's, loser's and final match, each player gets 1 map veto and then a map is picked from the remaining pool at random? Thanks! | ||
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TMNT
2329 Posts
If they (most likely) meet again in decider match (probably on Sylphid since JYJ would ban Retro and Stork would ban Vermeer) then it's pretty much 50/50. | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
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Original_TLer
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RowdierBob
Australia12802 Posts
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
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RowdierBob
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
edit: and light catches the morphing guardians in the middle of the map while 2 valks join up with the bio. gg | ||
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Original_TLer
28 Posts
On March 08 2023 19:28 whylessness wrote: bro WHAT. how did light not kill that hatch... he wanted a challenge | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Original_TLer
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
yet supplies remain similar? edit: and suddenly jyj is everywhere. simultaneously dropping the third and main, with vultures doing a run by in the natural. rip stork's econ | ||
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Original_TLer
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RowdierBob
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
On March 08 2023 19:58 Original_TLer wrote: i missed the last part. what happened? stork got +3 air weapons carriers and slowly suffocated jyj. jyj forgot (?) to build a science facility so he only had +1 weapons. stork was mining on 3 bases when jyj's main and natural were about to run dry, at the end it was basically 1 base vs 3 base and jyj tapped out On March 08 2023 19:59 RowdierBob wrote: Protoss 4-0 in PvT so far on HBR in ASL15. you love to see it | ||
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prosatan
Romania7456 Posts
On March 08 2023 19:58 Original_TLer wrote: i missed the last part. what happened? Original_TLer what is your bet for today ?  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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TMNT
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Supply in Carriers vs Terran can be deceptive. Mini once beat Royal with Carriers when he was down 100 supplies. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 08 2023 19:59 RowdierBob wrote: Protoss 4-0 in PvT so far on HBR in ASL15. still a menace of a map for the matchup. | ||
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prosatan
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Zariel
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RowdierBob
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RowdierBob
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It'll be interesting to see how Royal, Light and Rush play it when we get into the meaty games. | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
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prosatan
Romania7456 Posts
On March 08 2023 20:09 RowdierBob wrote: I'll bet my left nut Stork goes carriers this game Good call !!! | ||
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prosatan
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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 08 2023 20:07 prosatan wrote: During the kespa era, Stork is 7-1 vs Light during kespa era, light would have lost to a horse if it played protoss. | ||
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TMNT
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49506 Posts
On March 08 2023 20:22 TMNT wrote: Light played like he had maphack lmao its called starsense. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Sacsri isnt good enough.. man there truly are levels to this game ~_~ | ||
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RowdierBob
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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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Yaqoob
Canada3318 Posts
On March 08 2023 20:50 BLinD-RawR wrote: does anyone know if group selection is today? According to Liquidpedia, "group selection ceremony will be held on March 15, 2023 - 12:00 EET" | ||
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TMNT
2329 Posts
On March 08 2023 20:50 BLinD-RawR wrote: does anyone know if group selection is today? Of course not, they have to gather all 16 players to the studio. | ||
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TMNT
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
makes me really wonder if IQ and Skill in this game are actually related -_- wtf | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
On March 08 2023 20:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote: also..why would JYJ actually use a mask IN his booth? I mean I can understand there is a spectrum in how annoying you find a mask.. but you surely cant find it good/neutral for your feeling/breathing ect.. makes me really wonder if IQ and Skill in this game are actually related -_- wtf p. sure the anti-mask ppl are the ones with the low iq. could be personal preference, could have mild flu like symptoms but be covid negative. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Im wondering why you would wear one when u are alone in a booth in a high stake SCBW tournament. Im totally for wearing masks when it is useful. I just dont think when u are alone in a booth it makes a whole lot of sense? or do you sit at home alone in your room in front of your PC using a mask? I never did o.O | ||
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whylessness
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BLinD-RawR
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RowdierBob
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Simplistik
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oxKnu
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3 protoss. hahaha | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4118 Posts
On March 08 2023 21:21 oxKnu wrote: 16 players. 3 protoss. hahaha just awful.. -.- | ||
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TMNT
2329 Posts
On March 08 2023 20:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote: also..why would JYJ actually use a mask IN his booth? I mean I can understand there is a spectrum in how annoying you find a mask.. but you surely cant find it good/neutral for your feeling/breathing ect.. makes me really wonder if IQ and Skill in this game are actually related -_- wtf It's neutral for a lot of Koreans. They wear masks all the time even before covid. Could also be he's feeling sick himself and don't want to spread. It's basic etiquette in Korean society. Try to open your mind a little bit instead of questioning his IQ. Also he just beat Stork comfortably. | ||
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Zografa
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On March 08 2023 21:02 whylessness wrote: p. sure the anti-mask ppl are the ones with the low iq. could be personal preference, could have mild flu like symptoms but be covid negative. koreans/japanese are used to masks long before covid also mask mandates didnt do much, according to the latest studies, you can check this study: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full + Show Spoiler + Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI)/COVID‐19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low‐certainty evidence). washing your hands actually did something vs wearing masks that did almost nothing so, how is your IQ now? | ||
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outscar
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outscar
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On March 08 2023 21:21 oxKnu wrote: 16 players. 3 protoss. hahaha I mean all that effort bringing HBR for tosses but then Mini choking, Shuttle performing awful, Ruin gets sweeped... Who you can blame other than tosses? | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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Anyway, Poor Sacsri. Brutal competition and unforgiving format. | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
On March 08 2023 23:15 Zografa wrote: washing your hands actually did something vs wearing masks that did almost nothing so, how is your IQ now? your post which has nothing to do with starcraft lowered my iq, so... low. | ||
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Zografa
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On March 09 2023 01:39 whylessness wrote: your post which has nothing to do with starcraft lowered my iq, so... low. you did it first lol :D | ||
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redknights
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3 Protosses tho lmfao, bo1 such a great format  | ||
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Lazyer
United States316 Posts
On March 08 2023 23:15 Zografa wrote: also mask mandates didnt do much, according to the latest studies, you can check this study: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full + Show Spoiler + Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI)/COVID‐19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low‐certainty evidence). washing your hands actually did something vs wearing masks that did almost nothing Not to go off topic too much but the study's abstract conclusion says it's uncertain about the effects of masks, not precisely that they didn't do much. Also the abstract's main results says "Adherence with interventions was low in many studies", which makes it harder to draw conclusions anyway. As for the games, I'm glad we got to see Stork's signature carriers, even if it was predictable and led to him getting steamrolled by Light. Hope this doesn't discourage him into another retirement. LB looking good too, even with my ignorance toward games outside of ASL. With the number of Zs and Ts in Ro16, I hope we get a few late game ZvTs and TvTs with Battlecruisers involved, those are always fun. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12802 Posts
Only Best, Snow, Bisu and Mini are ro16 quality for ASL atm. The rest of the Protoss cohort are decidedly average. | ||
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Peeano
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TMNT
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Always these 4 guys who are supposed to qualify for Ro16: Bisu Best Snow Mini (Rain doesn't really count). Plus Shuttle with a 50/50 chance. Stork and Free are 50/50 too if they got in Ro24. The rest are just lucky to be in Ro24. Problem is, Protoss is the most fragile race at this level, so even the big 4 slip sometimes in a Bo1. Bisu, Best, Snow and Mini all got knocked out of Ro24 once or twice in recent seasons. You don't see that in the other races. The only tier 1 upsets in Ro24 for Zerg and Terran are Soma this season, and... you have to go back to Season 7 to find the next one which was Light who wasn't even considered strong back then (actually he might be tier 2 back then so that wasn't even an upset). Let that fact sink in. | ||
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Simplistik
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Ruin and Stork might have made it out in different circumstances. Maybe Ruin can come back a bit calmer with more experience... | ||
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Aeternum
Latvia35 Posts
On March 08 2023 23:15 Zografa wrote: koreans/japanese are used to masks long before covid also mask mandates didnt do much, according to the latest studies, you can check this study: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full + Show Spoiler + Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI)/COVID‐19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low‐certainty evidence). washing your hands actually did something vs wearing masks that did almost nothing so, how is your IQ now? Me think JYJ wear mask is not stupid. + Show Spoiler + Me somehow open your link, but very much read, so me open picture in your link. Me see this nice picture: ![[image loading]](https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/media/CDSR/CD006207/image_n/nCD006207-CMP-001.01.svg) Me look at 1st line in table and see Abaluck study last year, very very very very many people in this study, says if people wear mask less people sick Me read 2nd line in table and see Aiello study 2012, me think old study and very very very few people, says mask don't help Me look how important authors think 1st study is and see authors think it is pretty important but not very very very important, me look at 2nd study and see authors think it is half as important as 1st study but not very very very unimportant. Me think me stupid but authors more stupid. | ||
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Artas1984
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BLinD-RawR
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Nirli
Bulgaria342 Posts
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Galacsia
Chile153 Posts
On March 09 2023 19:58 TMNT wrote: you have to go back to Season 7 to find the next one which was Light who wasn't even considered strong back then (actually he might be tier 2 back then so that wasn't even an upset). Let that fact sink in. Actually more like tier 3 or 4 back then. On the first half of the Afrerca era Light looked pretty bad. I remember Light playing in ro24 in ASL 4 and he had the most pathetic game you can imagine. He started getting better results from ASL 8 onwards. | ||
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reincremate
China2210 Posts
On March 09 2023 22:51 Artas1984 wrote: Stork, you said that you have retired from ASL, what are you doing with your rusty skills and predictable carrier builds? Can't you be honorable, keep up your word and stay retired? I've been always rooting for you, but you have to know when to quit! Nah, he mixed things up going 3 base carrier instead of 2 base carrier in the final game, on a map less suited to carriers...which JYJ probably maybe sort of didn't expect! How unpredictable! /s Protoss is more vulnerable at the highest level, but this was just hubris or lack of confidence on Stork's part. Watching Light's cold, calculated dismantling of Stork's game plan was fun though. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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iopq
United States842 Posts
On March 09 2023 08:38 redknights wrote: That was an exhilarating 2/1 upgrade timing by JyJ to wreck Stork at his most vulnerable 3 Protosses tho lmfao, bo1 such a great format You can only get eliminated by losing twice, it's a double elimination bo1 Lose once, blame the format Lose twice, blame yourself | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4118 Posts
On March 10 2023 15:33 iopq wrote: You can only get eliminated by losing twice, it's a double elimination bo1 Lose once, blame the format Lose twice, blame yourself doesn't really work like that but whatever.. full bo1 in a serious tournament sux balls and always did | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4691 Posts
On March 10 2023 11:16 RogerChillingworth wrote: Why didn't he just go Arbiter? Or storm? Fuck. It was painful to watch. He got destroyed lmfao. Probably just playing for fun or stubborn and failing to prove carriers are always viable. | ||
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TMNT
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He was still 1-1 vs JYJ though, it's just the 1W fell on the match that doesn't really matter. In other words, he didn't lose twice to JYJ. That's why BO1 sucks. | ||
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RJBTV
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In Ultimate battle's you sometimes have 1 player lose the first 3 and then make a huge comeback to still win 5-4 or 6-3. Due to the skill levels in starcraft being so close at the top a game can often times go either way. It is not that Stork played bad. It is that JyJ played better that one game. People here tend to overexaggerate so much and immediately call losing "terrible play" when its just one player being able to stack advantages that can make it look like whatever the other is doing is failing. That's how a snowball works. | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
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oxKnu
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On March 10 2023 19:44 whylessness wrote: if i recall correctly stork played a bo3 vs light in ASL and went carriers the first two games, then in the final game he went arbiters and got rekt. he probably wanted to play towards his strengths (carriers) To be fair, Light kind of wrecks any Protoss these days so I don't think that weighed on him too much. | ||
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iopq
United States842 Posts
On March 10 2023 17:00 M3t4PhYzX wrote: doesn't really work like that but whatever.. full bo1 in a serious tournament sux balls and always did it's not bo1 because you get two chances if they made you play 23 games bo1 vs. every other player in the round of 24, would you still say it's "bo1" even though you have 23 games to prove yourself? Conversely, if they made each player just play a bo3 vs. one more player, would it be more fair? On March 10 2023 19:22 TMNT wrote: Stork plays the Shuttle style with storm all the time in Proleague tho. I guess in a tournament setting he just retreats to his comfort zone which is Carrier. He was still 1-1 vs JYJ though, it's just the 1W fell on the match that doesn't really matter. In other words, he didn't lose twice to JYJ. That's why BO1 sucks. if it was just BO3 vs. Light he would straight up lose 0-2, so that would be actually worse | ||
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TMNT
2329 Posts
On March 10 2023 22:27 iopq wrote: if it was just BO3 vs. Light he would straight up lose 0-2, so that would be actually worse What does Light have anything to do with this situation? Stork was competing with JYJ for the remaining spot. They played twice and tied 1-1, but JYJ won the match that decides who goes on. This exact situation happened last season in the group of Queen/Royal/Sharp. Sharp beat Royal in game 2, only to lose to Queen in the winner match (while Royal beat the tier 4 player in the loser match). Sharp then lost to Royal in the decider match. That's the problem with double elimination BO1 format:. the tier 2 and 3 players compete for one spot. They tie 1-1 between themselves. In the other matches, one loses to the tier 1 player and one wins the tier 4 player, and effectively the player who beats the tier 4 player gets to advance. Which feels kinda stupid because they are not presented with the same chance. It would feel like "two chances" had the following happened: Stork lost to JYJ in game 2, then beat Sascri in loser match, then lost to JYJ again in the decider match. That way Stork effectively lost a BO3 to JYJ (although it's still not a real BO3). A "Best of x" series means against the same opponent. If you play 23 BO1 against 23 opponents, it doesn't become BO23 or something. If I play 2 games, 1 against you and 1 against Flash, you can't say I have 2 chances lmao. | ||
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Simplistik
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