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Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
176 Posts
September 06 2023 19:09 GMT
#641
+ Show Spoiler +
i dont know why JD keeps playing proleague really... he is just not on their level now
Kespa1988
Profile Joined January 2022
38 Posts
September 06 2023 20:07 GMT
#642
On September 07 2023 04:09 Zografa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
i dont know why JD keeps playing proleague really... he is just not on their level now


Besides money which his audience brings to the table, there is no reason. His shape is worst of all time. He also looks bad menatlly.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2556 Posts
September 06 2023 20:41 GMT
#643
But his audience wants to see him compete with the best too. The other reason being, just like Shuttle who is the punching bag of MPL, sometimes they can pull off surprises. It's not so often these days but they can, and that's why they're still lingering.

There's another reason which doesn't seem really "nice", which is JD and Shuttle bring in huge money via donation, so the other players like to have them there.
Sd13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Vietnam185 Posts
September 07 2023 03:50 GMT
#644
To be fair, JD smashed when he did go down to K-League. So, JD might be at the bottom of the major league ranking but he is still capable enough that relegating him to the lower league is overkilled.

This might be the transitioning moment for JD where he is struggling and unable to keep a tier 1 competing form but is still way over above tier 2.

It is somewhat similar to Best sometimes ago who now has settled into a stable tier 1.5 level after his retirement announcement (meaning: don't expect him to be an ASL championship contender or a consecutive top MPL performer but he will always be there at least group stage if not Ro4 ASL, and he can get an outstanding result in MPL when he is in good form, too, like last month).
정명훈 \m/
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
176 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-07 11:43:58
September 07 2023 11:43 GMT
#645
I think he needs little bit of confindence and realization that it wont happen the way he did it all those years ago - brute force-ing opponents. He needs to be smart and tactical, i.e love how Effort is doing, he is not pushing himself to outplay the opponents he cant outplay in a "standard" game always. He is in Ro8 in ASL, doing good in k-league and OK in proleague...
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-08 16:35:50
September 07 2023 12:27 GMT
#646
LEt's hope JD has better results today



MAJOR PROLEAGUE, SEP 07 2023

[Team A] Mini Royal Soulkey Hero Jaedong
vs [Team B] Bisu Light JYJ Queen Soma

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
Soulkey <Neo Dark Origin> Light
Jaedong <Polypoid> Bisu
Mini <Invader> Queen
Royal <Tempest> Soma
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Hero <La Campanella> JYJ

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Hero <Apocalypse> Light

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
Hero <Retro> Light


SET 2 (WINNERS LEAGUE)
Hero <Invader> Soma
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Royal <Retro> Soma

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
Royal <Polypoid> JYJ

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Royal <La Campanella> Light

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Royal <Apocalypse> Bisu

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Jaedong <Neo Dark Origin> Bisu

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
Soulkey <Tempest> Bisu

+ Show Spoiler [Game 8] +
Soulkey <Polypoid> Queen

+ Show Spoiler [Game 9] +


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +
Jaedong <Neo Dark Origin> JYJ


+ Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] +
Soulkey < Light
Jaedong < Bisu
Mini > Queen
Royal < Soma
Hero > JYJ
Hero > Light
Hero < Light

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] +
Hero < Soma
Royal > Soma
Royal > JYJ
Royal > Light
Royal < Bisu
Jaedong < Bisu
Soulkey > Bisu
Soulkey > Queen

+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] +
Good performances from both teams all around but still, Jaedong lost both his games in the first 2 sets. Going into the super ace against TvZ specialist JYJ, he must have felt low in confidence, but Jaedong pulled a somewhat surprised victory, winning the $15k match for his team.
Souden
Profile Joined May 2023
36 Posts
September 07 2023 22:39 GMT
#647
From the games so far, seems like there's a balance issue on Invader for ZvZ. + Show Spoiler +
The zerg that spawns on the top (11'clock) can go 11 pool, then hatch above the ramp and can gather gas down the ramp at the natural with just 4 drones and defend a 9 pool rush just fine. Meanwhile, the zerg that spawns at the bottom (5'clock) needs like 6 drones to have the same rate of gas collection because the drone pops out on the right side of the extractor. It's a similar situation with Queen vs JD in ASL R24. Zergs are exploiting what Queen did.

And, I'm also glad that JD finally won, more importantly the ace match and broke his 13 consecutive losing streak in major proleague. JD's form and mechanics are fine from what I've seen in spawn practice matches. He beat Royal, Bisu, and Hero recently in those practice matches but couldn't carry the results to major proleague so that makes me think it's more of a mental/psychological issue. People were sarcastically saying that he has been cursed since going on the trip to Saudi Arabia for the Gamers8 event and hasn't recover since.
Sd13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Vietnam185 Posts
September 08 2023 04:07 GMT
#648
What's happened in Saudi Arabia, you asked? + Show Spoiler +
They (JD and Bisu) got lost in a Fantasy
정명훈 \m/
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-12 08:43:40
September 08 2023 12:34 GMT
#649


MAJOR PROLEAGUE, SEP 08 2023

[Team A] Mini Light sSak Sharp Soma
vs [Team B] Best Shuttle Soulkey Queen Jaedong

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
Soma <Invader> Best
Light <Neo Dark Origin> Shuttle
Sharp <Apocalypse> Jaedong
Mini <Tempest> Soulkey
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SET 2 (WINNERS LEAGUE)
Mini <Neo Dark Origin> Jaedong
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Sharp <Polypoid> Jaedong

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
sSak <Invader> Jaedong

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
sSak <La Campanella> Soulkey

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Light <Retro> Soulkey

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Light <Tempest> Shuttle

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
Light <Apocalypse> Best

+ Show Spoiler [Game 8] +
Soma <Apocalypse> Best

+ Show Spoiler [Game 9] +
Soma <Polypoid> Queen


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +


+ Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] +
Soma > Best
Light > Shuttle
Sharp > Jaedong
Mini > Soulkey

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] +
Mini < Jaedong
Sharp < Jaedong
sSak > Jaedong
sSak < Soulkey
Light > Soulkey
Light > Shuttle
Light < Best
Soma > Best
Soma > Queen

+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] +
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2230 Posts
September 09 2023 03:08 GMT
#650
On September 07 2023 04:09 Zografa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
i dont know why JD keeps playing proleague really... he is just not on their level now


JD is JD
StarCraft & Audax Italiano
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-12 08:43:20
September 09 2023 13:29 GMT
#651
Bit of a hybrid league



MAJOR PROLEAGUE, SEP 09 2023

[Team A] Mini Best JYJ Barracks ggaemo
vs [Team B] Shuttle Motive Rush Sharp Soma

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
Best <Polypoid> Soma
Barracks <Apocalypse> Shuttle
JYJ <La Campanella> Sharp
Mini <Tempest> Rush
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
ggaemo <Neo Dark Origin> Motive

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SET 2 (PROLEAGUE)
JYJ <Tempest> Rush
Best <La Campanella> Soma
Mini <Polypoid> Sharp
Barracks <Neo Dark Origin> Shuttle
ggaemo <Retro> Motive
+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Mini <Invader> Shuttle

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
Best <Apocalypse> Motive

+ Show Spoiler [Game 8] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 9] +


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +


+ Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] +
Best < Soma
Barracks > Shuttle
JYJ > Sharp
Mini > Rush
ggaemo > Motive

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] +
JYJ > Rush
Best < Soma
Mini < Sharp
Barracks > Shuttle
ggaemo > Motive
Mini > Shuttle
Best > Motive

+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] +
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
September 09 2023 16:47 GMT
#652
On September 07 2023 04:09 Zografa wrote:
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i dont know why JD keeps playing proleague really... he is just not on their level now

first three months of 2023 Jaedong did well in PL. he even peaked at 1 on eloboard a couple times. I think its more so him struggling finding his footing in the current meta switch.
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
176 Posts
September 10 2023 12:16 GMT
#653
On September 10 2023 01:47 RJBTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2023 04:09 Zografa wrote:
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i dont know why JD keeps playing proleague really... he is just not on their level now

first three months of 2023 Jaedong did well in PL. he even peaked at 1 on eloboard a couple times. I think its more so him struggling finding his footing in the current meta switch.


yes until his Ro8 match vs Hero, JD was playing really well, after that his form went to shit
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-12 08:48:07
September 11 2023 14:29 GMT
#654
They can only find 6 players for proleague lol



MAJOR PROLEAGUE, SEP 11 2023

[Team A] Snow Shuttle Rush
vs [Team B] Mini Soma Jaedong

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
Shuttle <Polypoid> Jaedong
Rush <Invader> Soma
Snow <La Campanella> Mini
+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Shuttle <Neo Dark Origin> Soma

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Snow <Apocalypse> Soma


SET 2 (WINNERS LEAGUE)
Rush <Invader> Jaedong
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Shuttle <Retro> Jaedong

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
Shuttle <La Campanella> Soma

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Snow <Tempest> Soma

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Snow <Neo Dark Origin> Mini


+ Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] +
Shuttle > Jaedong
Rush < Soma
Snow > Mini
Shuttle < Soma
Snow < Soma

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] +


Rush < Jaedong
Shuttle > Jaedong
Shuttle < Soma
Snow > Soma
Snow < Mini

+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] +


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-17 18:25:26
September 12 2023 15:52 GMT
#655


MAJOR PROLEAGUE, SEP 12 2023

[Team A] Mini Rush Hero Jaedong
vs [Team B] Shuttle Light Soma Effort

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
Rush <Tempest> Effort
Hero <Neo Dark Origin> Light
Mini <Retro> Soma
Jaedong <Invader> Shuttle
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Mini <La Campanella> Effort

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Jaedong <Polypoid> Soma

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SET 2 (WINNERS LEAGUE)
Jaedong <Neo Dark Origin> Shuttle
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Jaedong <Tempest> Light

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
Jaedong <Apocalypse> Effort

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Jaedong <La Campanella> Soma

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +
Jaedong <Apocalypse> Soma


+ Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] +
Rush > Effort
Hero < Light
Mini < Soma
Jaedong > Shuttle
Mini < Effort
Jaedong < Soma

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] +
Jaedong > Shuttle
Jaedong > Light
Jaedong > Effort
Jaedong > Soma

+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] +
Jaedong shut down the discussion regarding his recent bad form with an all-kill. Not only that, he went on to win the super ace himself as well. Single handedly dragged his team to victory.
Kespa1988
Profile Joined January 2022
38 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-12 19:23:58
September 12 2023 17:21 GMT
#656
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
Geez... JD, what an all-kill. Nice!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-12 22:18:44
September 12 2023 22:13 GMT
#657
+ Show Spoiler +
Not just an all kill. He won the super ace as well. Literally single handedly drag the team to victory. Out of nowhere. That's why he won't leave the MPL
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1980 Posts
September 13 2023 06:52 GMT
#658
Does/did Action play Pro/K-league?
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-13 08:13:04
September 13 2023 08:12 GMT
#659
On September 13 2023 15:52 Simplistik wrote:
Does/did Action play Pro/K-league?

he used to on a daily basis but now he is largely occupied with female university team related streaming. he still does from time to time play K league but rarely major. It trippled his viewership over 2022.
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines525 Posts
September 13 2023 08:22 GMT
#660
that zvt build against + Show Spoiler +
light
was pretty neat too. it was basically soma’s zvz fast gas build applied to a zvt 2 hatch, delaying pool by a few seconds but giving you a 20 second faster ling speed timing attack. brilliant
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
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