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Months
Profile Joined July 2005
United States356 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-08 21:22:54
November 08 2007 21:21 GMT
#821
oh yeah, you think you're a somebody on broodwars? yeah you're right. you're the kid who plays 24/7 and stil gets his shit pushed in by nonamers such as vanilla
aka jamel
Months
Profile Joined July 2005
United States356 Posts
November 08 2007 21:30 GMT
#822
dont forget to use MLA format when you're writing for 5 paragraph essay greg!
aka jamel
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 08 2007 21:31 GMT
#823
sigh
didnt say anything about myself, just said vanilla is a nobody, which is true. had mondragon been caught hacking in a big tournament like vanilla was everyone woulda been in an uproar, but they werent because nobody knew or cared who he was.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Months
Profile Joined July 2005
United States356 Posts
November 08 2007 21:38 GMT
#824
aww greg what's up man? reality setting in? you finally realizing you're a dumb nerd and it's time you should just grow a pair and shut your mouth?
aka jamel
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-08 21:41:07
November 08 2007 21:39 GMT
#825
On November 09 2007 06:12 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2007 05:57 IdrA wrote:
On November 09 2007 05:29 eXigent. wrote:
On November 08 2007 15:36 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On November 08 2007 13:02 eXigent. wrote:
On November 08 2007 12:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting.

I wasn't shouting. I was merely annoyed at his pulling an argument out of his ass. He was arguing something completely contreived. Intrigue never even wrote the things that he was arguing against. Also I'd like to say that your statement is a gross exaggeration. On the other hand, I'm glad I could amuse you


Actually if you read my initial post, I was merely stating my opinion wich was opposite that of intrigue. I was casually and patiently waiting for him to respond, with the possibility of debating opinions. You however of course came along, and made it seem as though I was throwing out some huge argument trying to defy the laws of progamer science!. When really I was merely responding to intrigues post. He responded back by the way, in a very respectful manner. I also remember politely asking you to refrain from continuing your personal attacks, and yet even still you sit there and bash me. Someone you have never met, nor have spoken to. Im not even being irrational, or immature. I stated my opinion in a civilized manner, and was attacked for it


Anyway more Replays of A level gamers.

SpcmTeam A- 140-69
Replay
Replay
Replay

activeyoon A- 178-114
10games

Congradufuckulations Ghandi. I'll have the nobel peace prize guys look into you. You probably deserve it more than Gore. You are a credit to this forum and society in general. All who oppose you are cleary flawed, irrational, angry human beings whose only purpose in life is to attack your perfect logic and destroy it. I salute you and your proud and nobel efforts.



I kinda figured you would never be able to drop it. Teenage boys have a tendency to continually talk shit until they are blue in the face. Once again, you go off on some rant that in the end probably made you feel like a much better human being. Congrats on that one. Once again you put a whole bunch of statements in my mouth just like the teenage boy you are. Once again you attack me with insults, hoping in the end it makes you feel much better about yourself, when we can both clearly see that you obviously crave attention from your peers. Did this stem from early child abuse? lack of social friends? or just a shitty outlook on life?.

Dunno why you brought ghandi and gore into this, and you couldnt be more random with your comments. I was merely stating that you attack people with your retarded behavior, and then when you get a decent response, that for some reason is not personally flaming you back, you act upon it, even worse that before. Get some friends, and maybe pop a vicoden. The fuckin vein bulging on your massive sized forehead will thank you for it. (see we can both play these games)

There is only 1 major difference here. You have 3000posts apparently all filled with worthless jabber and arguments, whereas I have but a mere 100, and have already posted over 20 replays of A ranked gamers. I mean come on, how many more times are you gonna take a stab at me, before actuall contributing to the topic at hand?.....thought so.

1 other major difference
he was right and you were wrong, flaming is excusable when you're arguing with someone who is blatantly wrong but unable to understand it or unwilling to admit it.


First off Idra, your not one to talk. I read many arguements you have on these boards, and you sit in the same situation. Secondly, when I state my opinion on something, then thats what it is. My opinion. 3rd. What was he right about? the personal attacks? or his opinion?.

Quite frankly, you provide zero evidence supporting your claim, and instead decide that since you 2 are possibly friends, you would jump on his bandwagon and claim that I am wrong. I even brought a form of evidence to back up my "opinion", whereas he did not. But once again I am wrong. I stated the exact same thing as him, pretty much to a tee. So im wrong, but he is right? Is that even possbile for 2 people to state the samething, and have 1 of them wrong? I mean come on, grow up, you are suppose to be attending some decent ranked school, yet you debate like uninformed unintelligent little child. Throw some facts my way, provide some evidence for your claim, or kindly stop. thanks.

EDIT : Removed any sort of personal attack. My bad, I dont mean to lower myself to that. So I send an apology to idra.



"Actually, he pretty much implied that korean pro's are far far beyond any korean A+ level gamers. Which is flawed logic, and I called him on it. Light has 4 losses to korean amature/semi-pro gamers, so let me quickly state where I am going with this. 4 losses show's he can lose to much lesser skilled players, which puts intrigues comment on trial, until he can provide evidence to back it up. Im just tired of always hearing that korean progamers are simply untouchable blah blah, without providing any sort of evidence to back the claim. I brought evidence to my post, by showing that light has lost 4 games to non-professional gamers."

pros are far far beyond amateur A+ koreans, the very stats you're referencing prove that. nobodys invincible, especially in a game with an unavoidable luck aspect. but only dropping 4 games up to A+, and going 10-1 or w/e vs one of the better non pros on the server... ya A+ kors are real fuckin close to progamers.
the reason i didnt include that in my first post is the other people you were arguing with have already said it.. multiple times
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 08 2007 21:39 GMT
#826
On November 09 2007 06:38 Months wrote:
aww greg what's up man? reality setting in? you finally realizing you're a dumb nerd and it's time you should just grow a pair and shut your mouth?

how do you manage to operate a computer
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Months
Profile Joined July 2005
United States356 Posts
November 08 2007 21:41 GMT
#827
how do you manage to socialize with people, oh wait..
aka jamel
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
November 08 2007 21:48 GMT
#828
Idra, What I was simply trying to state is that the gap is there yes, and I agree with it 100%. However, my point was that all korean progamers come from their own homes at one point. Which means every single one of them were the unknown/random korean A+ gamer. So, the only point I was trying to make was that these amature koreans at A+ are not really THAT far away from a korean pro, compared to say, testie.

So basically it took 3 pages and a ton of posts for me to clarify this. Korean progamers come from the same place that A+ korean gamers are at right now. That being said, those A+ level korean gamers at home probably compete to become the next progamer. So its fair to say that yes, there is a gap, but no it is not as big as everyone is making it out to be. Maybe the gap between savior and xeite is HUGE, but the gap between xeite (mym.mania) and an average/mid level progamer is not as big as some people think.

A good example of this was when boxer found iloveoov on gamei, and couldnt understand how he was soo good. He took him under his wing, and transformed the guy into a monster. Before that happened though, Iloveoov was a RANDOM A+ LEVEL KOREAN GAMER!!!!!!

see what im saying? That there is a gap yes, but that every progamer has come from the same spot, and every new progamer coming into the scene as well. They were all A+ random korean gamers at one point.
MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
November 08 2007 21:56 GMT
#829
EXIGENT WILL U JSUT FUKING DROP IT ALREADY HOLY SHIIT....................
We have competitive ladder, strong community, progaming in Korea going strong, perfectly balanced game..why do we need sc2? #1 ANTI-SC2 fan
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-08 22:01:53
November 08 2007 21:58 GMT
#830
It called a debate, I am being mannered, and at the sametime contributing replays to this post. If you choose not to follow my debate, that I managed to clarify just 1 post above you, then I kindly ask you to refrain from reading my posts. This way, you can goto bed happy tonight!

EDIT: More replays.

Here are some replays of the current number 1 ranked player on iccup.

Siahgy A+

replay
replay
replay
MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
November 08 2007 22:07 GMT
#831
Listen, just stop posting in this thread unless it has to do with an aka that's been revealed or another replay. I'm tired of reading ur fuking nonsense and don't even tell me to not read them, just stop. As a matter a fact DO NOT REPLY BACK TO THIS POST UNLESS IT DEALS WITH WHAT I WROTE IN SENTENCE ONE. Thank you, have a nice day.
We have competitive ladder, strong community, progaming in Korea going strong, perfectly balanced game..why do we need sc2? #1 ANTI-SC2 fan
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
November 08 2007 22:11 GMT
#832
Actually, 1, you are not a moderator, and your opinion means literally jack shit to me. So I will continue to post here, and add replays as I choose. Now, secondly, if you were to stop, and breath really quickly, you would see once again, just ONE post above yours, I have uploaded 3 replays of the current number 1 player on iccup.

Dont ever think that I will take your advice and just move on. I dont know you, you dont know me. So once again if you have some sort of problem with me, refrain from reading my posts, or is that too hard for someone of your intelligence to do? If you want, I could attach a HUGE. MARINE23 DONT READ MEE!!!! IT MIGHT PISS YOU OFF!!!!!!! spoiler tag in front of my posts if you want, but im sure we both know you are little bit smarter than that. goodday
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
November 08 2007 22:13 GMT
#833
On September 04 2007 21:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Awesome. Lets not turn this thread into the running sore the season 1 thread became. Good luck all gamers!
Entusman #12
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
November 08 2007 22:19 GMT
#834
On November 09 2007 07:13 littlechava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2007 21:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Awesome. Lets not turn this thread into the running sore the season 1 thread became. Good luck all gamers!


You are right, If I had known that posting my own personal opinion, and following it up with a bit of healthy debate would result in 5 pages of people going off their rocker, I wouldnt of posted at all I dont plan on responding to anyone else, because like I said, no one can debate without having some random guys freak out. So I wont respond concerning my "DEBATE" any longer.

However, out of all of those people yelling, and going off on me, I was the only 1 to remain level headed and calm, and STILL provide 15 or so replays towards the thread. People like marine need to grow up and learn that this is a forum, and they can choose to NOT read something that bothers them. Simple as that. Im done, goodbye
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
November 08 2007 22:32 GMT
#835
Okay, enough is enough. People who needed to be warned, were. Discussions beyond the point of the thread are fine, but this "debate" has clearly gone on to the point no one is going to convince each other.
Moderator
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
November 08 2007 22:43 GMT
#836
Top professional gamers are far above A+ players.
By leaps and bounds.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
sataNik[pG]
Profile Joined July 2003
Greece722 Posts
November 09 2007 00:44 GMT
#837
Every amateur gamer who can achieve A+ or even A on his own safely has the potential to become a top tier pro, especially if he is young, talented and willing to work hard. The reason for this is that the transformation once he gets inside a pro team is monstrous. Being accepted in a pro team means getting access to all the tech, having top quality feedback, plenty of top skilled partners and the proper training methods. How can it be otherwise? Now compare this with playing alone in your house as most top foreigners do. That tranformation only happens to koreans though, due to the communication and culture barrier that a foreigner in a korean team has. My opinion is that if an all-foreign pro team was to be formed with everything that means (living together, practicing all day and especially helping each other become better) , in 6 months time it would kick some major ass.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
November 09 2007 00:58 GMT
#838
Nope.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
no.1
Profile Joined March 2004
516 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-09 01:23:05
November 09 2007 01:21 GMT
#839
testie always tries to glorify the korean pros cuz he hasnt any chance even vs the worst, thats his way to keep his little remaining self-esteem
www.ygosu.com
kamehameha
Profile Joined October 2007
Ukraine152 Posts
November 09 2007 01:22 GMT
#840
why nope? yes you need to work but theres the possibility, when aficiniado found july he was a 1300 gamei terran and went to being one of the best zerg users at his peak.. but having the drive to practice as much as the korean progamers do is really hard, from the time pj spent at skt1 he got his pvz from being trash and losing 0-4 to sen to being able to win savior 2-1 at wcg
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