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BLinD-RawR
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Last Edited: 2022-03-22 10:26:38
March 22 2022 05:35 GMT
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Afreeca Starleague Season 13


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Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States657 Posts
March 22 2022 07:09 GMT
#2
This should be a good matchup. I know Light's not what he used to be in TvZ but I still have faith!
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 08:03:15
March 22 2022 08:03 GMT
#3
Seems this is starting a half hour later than usual. Is this correct?
Go Light!
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 22 2022 08:12 GMT
#4
gogo light
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Ridovon
Profile Joined February 2020
10 Posts
March 22 2022 08:36 GMT
#5
Hey BLinD-RawR.. The link to the Liquipedia page nevers works in your topics
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 10:05:51
March 22 2022 10:05 GMT
#6
On March 22 2022 17:03 Sirris wrote:
Seems this is starting a half hour later than usual. Is this correct?
Go Light!

This is NOT correct. It's starting now at the normal time. So tune in guys. Well it's still the interviews but still. I had a feeling it was wrong
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 10:26 GMT
#7
Pretty brilliant opener from Light. He 8 raxed and walled off one side of the natural choke. Went fast acad off one base. Pressured the zerg natural to force sunkens then killed the third. From their he went almost standard(expand into ebay etc) and moved out again to force more sunkens at the zerg natural while skipping range to get a faster factory.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 10:32 GMT
#8
Action with an amazing comeback I don't really think Light has a good option.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 10:39:46
March 22 2022 10:39 GMT
#9
Light said he thought he'd lose the series if he lost the first match in the interview. But I don't believe him, mind games. It seems like he didn't prepare especially hard for this first game. He had the 1 base academy play yes but didn't really have a solid follow up. I do expect Light to preform better on the other maps late game.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8487 Posts
March 22 2022 10:45 GMT
#10
What a game !!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
LpTraxamillion
Profile Joined October 2020
265 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 10:48:58
March 22 2022 10:47 GMT
#11
On March 22 2022 17:03 Sirris wrote:
Seems this is starting a half hour later than usual. Is this correct?
Go Light!


Dam hit snooze and missed it, why the half hour switch?

No English cast correct?
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey745 Posts
March 22 2022 10:47 GMT
#12
Great opening game!
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 10:50 GMT
#13
On March 22 2022 19:45 prosatan wrote:
What a game !!!

Yea even though I wanted Light to win I have to say Action did absolutely everything right after losing his 3rd to the surprise opener by Light. The commenters didn't mention this but when Light was doing his 4 dropship drop into the main notice how Action had his muta/scourge bunch to counter the dropship on the far left side. I imagined Light scanned the right hand side where the dropships would land and didn't see them, then he brings them instantly when he sees the dropships catching Light completely off guard. Either amazing luck or brilliant play. I would go with the second.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 10:51 GMT
#14
On March 22 2022 19:47 LpTraxamillion wrote:
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On March 22 2022 17:03 Sirris wrote:
Seems this is starting a half hour later than usual. Is this correct?
Go Light!


Dam hit snooze and missed it, why the half hour switch?

No English cast correct?

Nyoken and Scan are casting as usual on Starcast TV. I think the post of the starting time was just mistaken. I had a feeling and checked at the normal time just to be sure
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 10:56:06
March 22 2022 10:54 GMT
#15
4 pool vs early semi proxy 8 rax! Holy shit Light got the bunker up with a single marine.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 10:57 GMT
#16
LMAO looks like its basically gonna go into a long game now.
Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States657 Posts
March 22 2022 11:00 GMT
#17
What is this game lmao
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:03:08
March 22 2022 11:00 GMT
#18
THIS IS INSANE!
Light walks his entire Marine force and all his scvs to his main...then walks alllll the way back to his natural choke and defends beautifully with his scvs+marines against burrow speedlings + speedlings comming from the left side.
After gaining the advantage Action quickly GGed after Light, in some sort of miracle ended up with a better position.
Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States657 Posts
March 22 2022 11:01 GMT
#19
Action with the anti-Fantasy GG timing, unlike Light in game 1
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8487 Posts
March 22 2022 11:03 GMT
#20
On March 22 2022 20:00 Sirris wrote:
THIS IS INSANE!
Light walks his entire Marine force and all his scvs to his main...then walks alllll the way back to his natural choke and defends beautifully with his scvs+marines against burrow speedlings + speedlings comming from the left side.
After gaining the advantage Action quickly GGed after Light, in some sort of miracle ended up with a better position.

+1 Sirris !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
LpTraxamillion
Profile Joined October 2020
265 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:07:13
March 22 2022 11:04 GMT
#21
Am I wrong or was that throw into throw?

Light has easy win after Action's first attack if he just goes into a regular build but he counterattacks.

Action then holds with 2 sunkens and then has an easy win if he just kills all of Lights depots and macros up into muta (but maybe I am wrong here).

Instead action doesn't kill 2 depots at top, spends gas on burrow, and builds a ton more lings that do nothing because of good scv blocks.

Bizarre game


Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:05 GMT
#22
You could blame Action for this but I prefer to give a huge amount of credit to Light for the way he played. I don't think very many pro gamers could've found a win there even if Action did the exact same things.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
March 22 2022 11:05 GMT
#23
reverse bitbybit
LpTraxamillion
Profile Joined October 2020
265 Posts
March 22 2022 11:06 GMT
#24
On March 22 2022 20:01 Katkishka wrote:
Action with the anti-Fantasy GG timing, unlike Light in game 1


Action was screwed at the point he GGd. No drones and no nat
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:10:31
March 22 2022 11:07 GMT
#25
On March 22 2022 20:04 LpTraxamillion wrote:
Am I wrong or was that throw it throw?

Light has easy win after Action's first attack if he just goes into a regular build but he counterattacks.

Action then holds with 2 sunkens and then has an easy win if he just kills all of Lights depots and macros up into muta (but maybe I am wrong here).

Instead action doesn't kill 2 depots at top, spends gas on burrow, and builds a ton more lings that do nothing because of good scv blocks.

Bizarre game



Not a throw. It's just really hard to make choices when under pressure and you can't see the map. Action clearly fully tricked Light into thinking he had gone no gas into hatch which was his plan. He expected a marine move out so he planned to counter it with speed and burrow. I think it was a very smart move(maybe not optimal with map hack but still). On the other hand Light preformed so amazingly well with his Marine + SCV ball. Even the choice to bring all scvs then walk them back together is pretty unheard of, I think most Terrans in this spot would panic and feel the need to get their scvs back as soon as possible. I really would hope people not blame either player and just appreciate having a new game that's never been seen before.
LpTraxamillion
Profile Joined October 2020
265 Posts
March 22 2022 11:09 GMT
#26
No doubt Light played great, especially mechanically, there.

Anyone have link to English stream?
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:11:10
March 22 2022 11:10 GMT
#27
On March 22 2022 20:09 LpTraxamillion wrote:
No doubt Light played great, especially mechanically, there.

Anyone have link to English stream?

It's on the main page. Starcast TV Scan/Nyoken.
https://tl.net/video/streams/StarCastTV_EN/popout
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:12:35
March 22 2022 11:12 GMT
#28
I think Light just does a 4 rax tech build. You can deny the 3rd decently.
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
March 22 2022 11:12 GMT
#29
That was the best strange game I've seen in a long time. 4pool vs forward 8 rax, transitioning into speedling vs marine/scv base trade.

Every move Light did made perfect strategical sense, marines and scvs needs to stick together in that situation.

If Action had perfect burrow placement (a inch or 2 north towards the ramp), that would of made a huge difference.
sup
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:14 GMT
#30
Overlord will be safe
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:15 GMT
#31
On March 22 2022 20:12 Zariel wrote:
That was the best strange game I've seen in a long time. 4pool vs forward 8 rax, transitioning into speedling vs marine/scv base trade.

Every move Light did made perfect strategical sense, marines and scvs needs to stick together in that situation.

If Action had perfect burrow placement (a inch or 2 north towards the ramp), that would of made a huge difference.

Fully agreed. I don't think he planned this out though. Hard to make ideal moves on the fly like that.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:18:08
March 22 2022 11:16 GMT
#32
Light is fucking pimp lol.

He just needs to not die to mutas.
4 rax and he scans the muta timing. Mass turret and win Light. Do it
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:18 GMT
#33
BUNKER!
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:20:30
March 22 2022 11:19 GMT
#34
Fucking shit...lmao Light...just fucking bunker your front man. You had the game
Scan preaching the truth. Not making a bunker is just insane.
chut
Profile Joined January 2003
6 Posts
March 22 2022 11:20 GMT
#35
That was NOT the moment to open your wall !
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:22:26
March 22 2022 11:21 GMT
#36
MOVE BACK LIGHT
Sigh
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8487 Posts
March 22 2022 11:23 GMT
#37
Who's ahead ?!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:25:09
March 22 2022 11:24 GMT
#38
On March 22 2022 20:23 prosatan wrote:
Who's ahead ?!

Its hard to say because zerg doesnt have a 3rd but Light has no tech so it's an odd situation. I would give a very slight edge to Action based on what his hive timing will be compared to Light's tech.
Light needs to keep pressure on zergs natural or defilers are going to march to his natural and win.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8487 Posts
March 22 2022 11:25 GMT
#39
On March 22 2022 20:24 Sirris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2022 20:23 prosatan wrote:
Who's ahead ?!

Its hard to say because zerg doesnt have a 3rd but Light has no tech so it's an odd situation. I would give a very slight edge to Action based on what his hive timing will be compared to Light's tech.
Light needs to keep pressure on zergs natural or defilers are going to march to his natural and win.


Thank you Sirris !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:26:38
March 22 2022 11:26 GMT
#40
MOVE OUT LIGHT NOW GOGOGOGO. YES
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:27 GMT
#41
Light needs to deflect this...this is it.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:28 GMT
#42
YES. Light doing it!
Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States657 Posts
March 22 2022 11:29 GMT
#43
These matches are slugfests. Super entertaining games tonight
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 22 2022 11:29 GMT
#44
action gg timing
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Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:30 GMT
#45
On March 22 2022 20:29 Katkishka wrote:
These matches are slugfests. Super entertaining games tonight

Absolutely. Just constant action. I suppose Action named himself correctly
LpTraxamillion
Profile Joined October 2020
265 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:30:45
March 22 2022 11:30 GMT
#46
Action playing so aggressively. First attack was good but then he threw away a ton of units for nothing instead of getting econ up.

Light was aware of his position and just made a ton of turrets
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
March 22 2022 11:32 GMT
#47
This is already one of the best series in a long time
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:33:23
March 22 2022 11:32 GMT
#48
On March 22 2022 20:30 LpTraxamillion wrote:
Action playing so aggressively. First attack was good but then he threw away a ton of units for nothing instead of getting econ up.

Light was aware of his position and just made a ton of turrets

True but Actions economy was pretty terrible. It takes a lot of balls to just flat out macro only after making a huge punch almost killing your opponent. Was the better play here though.
A tough choice to make. When you have someone almost dead the instinct is to continue to attack.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:34:58
March 22 2022 11:33 GMT
#49
On March 22 2022 20:32 LG)Sabbath wrote:
This is already one of the best series in a long time

Hell yes. Loving these games, even the mistakes make them so much more fun.
When the poll comes up I recommend all games so far strongly
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:36 GMT
#50
I think Action fully planned on playing a solid late game until Light ruined his life with those marines last game.
LpTraxamillion
Profile Joined October 2020
265 Posts
March 22 2022 11:38 GMT
#51
On March 22 2022 20:36 Sirris wrote:
I think Action fully planned on playing a solid late game until Light ruined his life with those marines last game.


Yea probably pretty tilted losing a 4pool vs proxy 8 rax
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:38 GMT
#52
To explain the mind set of cutting scvs to hit the early academy is to force 2 sunkens (or more lings) before muta timing. Delaying the optimal number of mutas and reducing drones. Or just winning.
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
March 22 2022 11:39 GMT
#53
Another epic game! I honestly thought Action had it in the bag... multiple times! He just kept giving Light ways to comeback.

His biggest mistake his attack in Light's main. Letting alot of stray mutas get picked off by turrets he had no business being in range of and not consolidating his lings to focus on the bunker that was Light's only way of defending his barracks from lings.

Light is truly a top tactician if you dissect his play
sup
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:40 GMT
#54
On March 22 2022 20:38 LpTraxamillion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2022 20:36 Sirris wrote:
I think Action fully planned on playing a solid late game until Light ruined his life with those marines last game.


Yea probably pretty tilted losing a 4pool vs proxy 8 rax

I think he just made a mistake and played greedy wanting to set himself up for a great economic midgame. Light hit it. He certainly could've been thrown off mentally against early ling use though. Light's scv/marine control was amazing.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:42:22
March 22 2022 11:41 GMT
#55
Fuck light is so good...he saw that hatch.
I think Action replaced the 2.5 hatch build (normally in main) but instead put it there.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:43 GMT
#56
Great call by Scan on that bunker.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 11:48:08
March 22 2022 11:45 GMT
#57
I think Action is actually in a great spot now. Hmm not as good after that muta bleed. Expected him to delay those MnM and lurkers to be ready.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 22 2022 11:47 GMT
#58
weird game plan from action, but hard map for zerg
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 22 2022 11:54 GMT
#59
I picked JyJ against Bisu sorry
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4131 Posts
March 22 2022 13:02 GMT
#60
I was rooting for Light, but pity that this clown fiesta did not go to game 5 xDD
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19295 Posts
March 22 2022 14:22 GMT
#61
Action doesn't win to often when he tries to play tricky games. He really shot himself in the foot. Light did a great job controlling the series by making the early game as tough as possible for Action.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
March 22 2022 14:44 GMT
#62
Did Tastosis cast this? Is there an english vod?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
oEkY
Profile Joined August 2016
Germany649 Posts
March 22 2022 14:55 GMT
#63
On March 22 2022 23:44 Mozdk wrote:
Did Tastosis cast this? Is there an english vod?


Nyoken / Scan casted it. imo they are even better than Tastosis, great cast as always!

https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/85311025
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
March 22 2022 15:05 GMT
#64
On March 22 2022 23:55 oEkY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2022 23:44 Mozdk wrote:
Did Tastosis cast this? Is there an english vod?


Nyoken / Scan casted it. imo they are even better than Tastosis, great cast as always!

https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/85311025


Thanks for the link.

I'll get out of this thread right away before I spoil myself.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
March 22 2022 15:06 GMT
#65
On March 22 2022 23:22 BisuDagger wrote:
Action doesn't win to often when he tries to play tricky games. He really shot himself in the foot.

Yes! He has been doing this for too long now. I'd rather see him try play standard for once.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
March 22 2022 17:59 GMT
#66
On March 23 2022 00:06 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2022 23:22 BisuDagger wrote:
Action doesn't win to often when he tries to play tricky games. He really shot himself in the foot.

Yes! He has been doing this for too long now. I'd rather see him try play standard for once.

Given he's wrecked Flash in macro games, it does seem strange to focus so much on cheese. I mean, variety is good but emphasize what you're best at.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 18:15:27
March 22 2022 18:14 GMT
#67
WTF was 2nd game? Even Light was shaking his head after he lifted his CC and was about to GG. HOW HE WON THAT GAME? Or how Action lost that?

Strange decision making from Action on 3rd one. When he broke nat of Light why he didn't just drone up and take 3rd? He knew he won't be able to get into main.

I have a feeling Action could 3-0 this, his agressions worked very well but still threw rest of series. Of course Light TvZ is scary, especially when game goes on but Action showed he could go toe to toe vs. him on first game, even casters were chanting him Defiler Master. Pity...

sunbeams are never made like me...
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States365 Posts
March 22 2022 20:00 GMT
#68
What a strange set, but entertaining nonetheless! Happy for Light, married and won his matchup.

Like Scan said, it would have been AMAZING to see a situation where burrowed lings were preventing T's only CC from landing properly.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-22 20:15:30
March 22 2022 20:14 GMT
#69
I think Action could have had game 2. He succeeded in letting Light think he might have a natural expansion, baiting Light into attacking. He succeeded in holding his main with perfectly timed sunkens, while running by with lings into an undefended main. So far so brilliant. Then somehow he didn't manage to do damage to Light's base with all those unchallenged zerglings. Odd situation.

I think burrow was intended to let him burrow under the main CC if the main CC were to float. But Action never damaged it enough.
May the BeSt man win.
barcodejester
Profile Joined March 2022
51 Posts
March 23 2022 00:13 GMT
#70
Game 1 was the perfect set up to nuke the zerg sunkins. I was a bit surprised we didnt see that. the nidus cover was genius and the medic under ebay classic is still goin strong. GG light
Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
249 Posts
March 23 2022 03:49 GMT
#71
How does Action cast Dark Swam so fast? I saw as soon as each Defiler got irradiated, he instantly casted dark swarm before it died. Do you think he had each one hotkeyed and just 1w2w them? I was really impressed.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
March 23 2022 16:44 GMT
#72
On March 23 2022 12:49 Optimate wrote:
How does Action cast Dark Swam so fast? I saw as soon as each Defiler got irradiated, he instantly casted dark swarm before it died. Do you think he had each one hotkeyed and just 1w2w them? I was really impressed.


He isn't called Defiler Master for nothing.
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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
March 26 2022 16:24 GMT
#73
What a series, my goodness.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44228 Posts
March 27 2022 00:16 GMT
#74
holy crap action vs light is a fucking banger

this is the kind of series why i love rts
this is a quote
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3121 Posts
March 27 2022 02:04 GMT
#75
What a crazy series. I've never thought of floating a building to stop units going through the Nydus.
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