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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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emperorchampion
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On March 02 2022 17:29 BLinD-RawR wrote: I won't be able to watch live so please someone in the LR thread do make the polls. I can do it  | ||
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prosatan
Romania8042 Posts
And please emperorchampion if you can LR a bit  I cannot watch the games and I need to know what is happening  | ||
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Katkishka
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Sirris
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PS Scan is getting so much better at casting. So much more comfortable. Great to hear | ||
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emperorchampion
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emperorchampion
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Poll: Recommend: Rush v ggaemo If you have time (4) Yes (1) No (1) 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend: Rush v ggaemo | ||
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Sirris
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emperorchampion
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On March 02 2022 19:22 Sirris wrote: Looking really good for Rush with the first scout. I predict 4 rax pressure tech. Only saw parts of the game, but did it pretty much play out as scan predicted? (rush scanned the lurker tech, put down a few factories, then busted the zerg with tanks) | ||
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 19:35 emperorchampion wrote: Only saw parts of the game, but did it pretty much play out as scan predicted? (rush scanned the lurker tech, put down a few factories, then busted the zerg with tanks) The factory was slightly later than normal. Just one factory but he rushed it as soon as he scanned the zerg tech despite going 5 rax. He didn't produce the normal amount out of 5 rax in order to continue his tech. I could be wrong but I believe Rush went dropship before vessel in order to misdirect the zerg to the third. Then hit a nice timing to destroy the zerg natural despite swarms going down. The zerg's defilers were definitely late. As Scan mentioned he went evo armor instead of rushing to hive as fast as possible. A mistake. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Edit: Hes not though  Action covering all the zealot paths with spread lings. Comfortable playing standard late game zerg. | ||
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Sirris
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Edit: Nevermind...the mutas are wrecking the game | ||
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Sirris
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He will simply buy time with the mutas , gain a huge upgrade advantage as he holds the 4th with lurkers. Wins the late game easily with 4 base vs 2. | ||
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emperorchampion
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LpTraxamillion
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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emperorchampion
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On March 02 2022 19:55 Sirris wrote: In shuttles defense that was a very unexpected move. I disagree with legoman. I think Action did a tricky mind game making it look like it was a hydra all in. I don't blame shuttle. Yeah I was thinking the same as you with the double den. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 19:54 LpTraxamillion wrote: Shuttle definitely panic overmade cannons That's after the fact. If he doesnt make the cannons(at least 5) then its entirely possible Action just pumps hydras for an easy win. Shuttle made 6. That's not what lost him the game. He made the mistake I did. I fully expected zerg to go full macro mode and hatch up with drones after he stopped making hydras. Action flipped the normal play and went hard into muta without droning much. It was a tough spot. Being protoss sucks sometimes. | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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Shows what I know Not much. | ||
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prosatan
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Sirris
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 Terrible spot for Rush. | ||
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emperorchampion
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(justifiably - also see last game) | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Omg that plague though | ||
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Sirris
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Sirris
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But damn...it seems lost now. | ||
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Motivate
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emperorchampion
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Poll: Recommend: Winners match game 1 Yes (9) If you have time (2) No (0) 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend: Winners match game 1 | ||
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 20:26 Motivate wrote: lol scan is so emo right now It's hard to watch as a terran player I promise haha. Rush played so well. Just couldnt hit it. | ||
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Sirris
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Motivate
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On March 02 2022 20:27 Sirris wrote: It's hard to watch as a terran player I promise haha. Rush played so well. Just couldnt hit it. hahah even as a zerg i love hearing scan's commentary.... he is a fantastic player obviously but does not hide his terran bias. he's basically like "this is a load of shit" when zerg abuses the T's natural on eclipse lolol | ||
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 20:30 Motivate wrote: hahah even as a zerg i love hearing scan's commentary.... he is a fantastic player obviously but does not hide his terran bias. he's basically like "this is a load of shit" when zerg abuses the T's natural on eclipse lolol Haha very true. And I don't blame him. It's a real problem. I really think map makers should move the cliffs back a bit. Just one more space. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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LpTraxamillion
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What happened there? | ||
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emperorchampion
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Poll: Recommend: Winners match game 2 No (5) If you have time (2) Yes (1) 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend: Winners match game 2 | ||
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Motivate
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prosatan
Romania8042 Posts
On March 02 2022 20:33 Sirris wrote: OMG! WTF is happening. Rush could've walled it too if he wanted Action nr 1 ! | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
it didn't even look like he lost a single ling | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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That was really well played by Action I have to admit. He noticed the lack of scouting. Seized the moment. | ||
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prosatan
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On March 02 2022 20:35 Sirris wrote: That was really well played by Action I have to admit. He noticed the lack of scouting. Seized the moment. Exactly my thoughts ! | ||
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 20:34 LpTraxamillion wrote: Yikes I missed that last game, tuned in to 20 lings surrounding Rush's marines What happened there? Um basically Action didnt scout the whole game...noticed there was no scv in his base...decided to only make lings. Rush didnt notice. Rush was on one rax with the second barely done....Action felt the win. He did it | ||
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emperorchampion
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On March 02 2022 20:35 Sirris wrote: That was really well played by Action I have to admit. He noticed the lack of scouting. Seized the moment. I think the starting overlord caught the second scv scout so action could deny the scout, very sharp | ||
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 20:37 emperorchampion wrote: I think the starting overlord caught the second scv scout so action could deny the scout, very sharp Good catch. Was possibly a huge part of this game. | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
Just harass and take the tiny choke island. Then you can gate up and take your 4th. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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Godlike play today, particularly the decision making. His lategame mechanics looked good as well | ||
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 20:44 LpTraxamillion wrote: Don't sleep on Action. Last few seasons I was surprised he didn't go deeper. Godlike play today, particularly the decision making. His lategame mechanics looked good as well He's always been like that though. Maybe this will be the time His late game mechanics are always great but he fails to gain enough advantage against the best players in the early + midgame. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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prosatan
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 20:43 Sirris wrote: I would love to see nexus into sair reaver for shuttle. Not saying it's the best build. But I'd love to see it Just harass and take the tiny choke island. Then you can gate up and take your 4th.He will be doing this! I think its a huge mistake to over commit to attacking for shuttle. He can deflect then fake an attack...then pull back and take bases. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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prosatan
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prosatan
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Such a misplay. That ruins any long term plan. Now Shuttle will just be scrambling for anything. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 20:53 LpTraxamillion wrote: Big brain burrow play vs the sair reaver Was a great move. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 20:54 emperorchampion wrote: suppose that's why you don't do sair reaver :/ How dare you lol. Shuttle misplayed several times. | ||
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EquilasH
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bovienchien
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Sirris
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He misplayed this game.DONT ATTACK SHUTTLE! Just take your 4th and 5th! Huge mistake imo. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Yea we havent seen corsair reaver play for a decade but guess who predicted it | ||
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emperorchampion
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Poll: Recommend: Losers match game 1 Yes (5) If you have time (4) No (0) 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend: Losers match game 1 | ||
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emperorchampion
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EquilasH
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LpTraxamillion
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Better off just taking 5-6 and getting hive when ahead that much imo but maybe feels that gives shuttle a chance to catch up | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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Zerg will do a very strong 5 or 6 hatch version of hydra and deny the protoss third. Unless something crazy happens of course. | ||
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Xeln4g4
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Sirris
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Sirris
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Lair..4 scourge into massssss hydras...deny the protoss third. His first zealot is definitely spotted. | ||
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EquilasH
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Sirris
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EquilasH
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Edit: Okay they can get through, just looked too narrow. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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It's not at all over though. Don't be fooled. | ||
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EquilasH
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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And he failed miserably...because of shuttle sneaking by the zerg army and sneak attacking at the natural. Really bad by ggaemo to be honest | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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EquilasH
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On March 02 2022 21:15 Sirris wrote: It all comes down to zerg denying the protoss third. It will be hard now. And he failed miserably...because of shuttle sneaking by the zerg army and sneak attacking at the natural. Really bad by ggaemo to be honest Yeah, nice play by Shuttle but disappointing from GGaemo so far. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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EquilasH
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emperorchampion
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Poll: Recommend: Losers match game 2 If you have time (4) No (2) Yes (1) 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend: Losers match game 2 | ||
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Sirris
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EquilasH
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emperorchampion
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On March 02 2022 21:19 Sirris wrote: Game over...it really all came down to Shuttle moving his army around the zerg army at that one timing. Huge mistake from ggaemo. Yeah the attack on the natural taking down the hydra den + however many ovies was huge | ||
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 21:21 EquilasH wrote: Oops, I voted no but meant to vote "if you have time". I voted "if you have time" for you | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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TMNT
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Armory great choice. No need for turrets. | ||
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Sirris
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Waste of minerals. Goliaths wouldve been much stronger.Sigh..imagine if he had goliath instead of turret..he couldve held the front much easier. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Sirris
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emperorchampion
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emperorchampion
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emperorchampion
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Poll: Recommend: Deciders match game 1 Yes (3) No (2) If you have time (2) 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend: Deciders match game 1 | ||
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 21:48 emperorchampion wrote: 3/2 for terran, but I think shuttle did a pretty decent job keeping the tank count reasonable Shuttle did ok..but he didnt prepare for late game. | ||
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Sirris
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LpTraxamillion
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Rush was at like 155/160 when he maxed. Instead he just chilled and let rush max as well and then it was completely over | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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Brainojack
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Sirris
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emperorchampion
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emperorchampion
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emperorchampion
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Poll: Recommend: Deciders match game 2 If you have time (4) Yes (3) No (1) 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend: Deciders match game 2 | ||
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Brainojack
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emperorchampion
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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 02 2022 22:16 emperorchampion wrote: Poll: Recommend: Deciders match game 2 If you have time (4) Yes (3) No (1) 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend: Deciders match game 2 thanks for the help today | ||
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EquilasH
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BLinD-RawR
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emperorchampion
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np | ||
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Ikirouta
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RKC
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Guess now we know why DTs got thrown out of Aiur. | ||
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emperorchampion
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On March 02 2022 22:33 Ikirouta wrote: what the fuck is this 2 goon 6 dt build, both Shuttle and Mini did it. In what world is it good? Full clown. maybe on eclipse? cross spawn on a 4 player map is more questionable | ||
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EquilasH
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On March 02 2022 22:34 RKC wrote: Great, so mini wasted his swap on shuttle so that they both can pull of this gimmicky DT opening... Guess now we know why DTs got thrown out of Aiur. At least Bisu made DT's work against Sacsri but I guess it's no surprise that DT/Sair works for Bisu in PvZ. | ||
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TMNT
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On March 02 2022 22:33 Ikirouta wrote: what the fuck is this 2 goon 6 dt build, both Shuttle and Mini did it. In what world is it good? Full clown. Maybe the ladder? Jokes aside, they're progamers, they probably practiced it before and saw it work. Just not again the best and second best Terran in the world. | ||
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EquilasH
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RKC
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(Maybe it could work with really close spawns or proxy second gate) | ||
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EquilasH
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On March 02 2022 22:43 RKC wrote: Yesterday, I thought the build was cool. But thinking more, does it really work? Terrans see lack of goons and delayed goon range. What else could Protoss be up to - fast triple nexus? Build seems so easy to sniff out and countered. I'm not too impressed by it either but yesterday it was so close to working - Light's clutch control won him that game for sure. | ||
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J. Corsair
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Sonic_md
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RowdierBob
Australia13006 Posts
Perhaps it's not such a great long game map for P which is why they're trying these riskier builds? Snow in extra shambles after watching this one. | ||
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RKC
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Shuttle's DT opening was just an all-in. Might as well proxy a second gate (or a robo for shuttle to elevator the DTs). Overall, good thing Rush advanced instead. I have a soft spot for Toss, but I never fancied Shuttle - too gimmicky, not solid enough. Maybe he's a nice guy and all. I just don't get why people take a 'shine' on him (Yes, pun intended. To me, Shuttle is a Toss version of Shine). What did Snow say on stream? | ||
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Lazyer
United States342 Posts
Did enjoy ggaemo killing his glitched drone, such a strange bug to see in pro games. | ||
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RKC
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What surprised me, however, is mini managing to brute force the DTs to run by into the main of Light (maybe Terran needs to block ramp or build turrets in main). That got some damage done (few kills and wasted mining time). Not enough to make the DT investment cost effective, but still got some slight compensation to allow mini to transition into mid-game (though still way behind). Shuttle just couldn't get anything done with the DTs. Total epic fail. The cross-spawn distance may be a factor. But that's exactly why the build was a poor decision from the start. | ||
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