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Recommended Games + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [BeSt vs beast] + winner holds, loser folds. + Show Spoiler [Shuttle vs BarrackS] + cool strat, always fun to see a game like this + Show Spoiler [Winners Game] + Solid play from the winner + Show Spoiler [Losers Game] + any% speedrun + Show Spoiler [Final Game] + nothing special, worth a watch if you have time | ||
BLinD-RawR
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FyRe_DragOn
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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tankgirl
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angry_maia
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namkraft
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8047 Posts
 Best pleaseeee don't panic/choke/rage and qualify!!! | ||
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prosatan
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On February 08 2022 15:15 namkraft wrote: Nice. Is it just Bo1 for each pair? Yes....BO1 only...anything could happen... | ||
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prosatan
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On February 08 2022 15:55 prosatan wrote: Hmmmm...my LB is Best/Barracks... i Wonder why didn't i chose Shuttle stats wise, rax and shuttle are interchangeable. the real reason I picked shuttle is because he will have more fun things to say in the Ro16 group selection | ||
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OtHER-X
Bulgaria79 Posts
On February 08 2022 15:36 LaStScan wrote: Yes we are Nice!! | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey731 Posts
BO1 is a great challenge for pros ! LB Best/Barracks | ||
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masoka82
Spain594 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8047 Posts
Best wins vs Beast in a decent macro game; Shuttle wins vs Barracks Best loses in a stupid manner vs Shuttle, to a proxy reaver or late late dt ... Beast / Barracks idk .... let's say Beast wins And Beast beat Best in a game where he has 17 bases and Best only 2.... Please don't let this happen Best ! | ||
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outscar
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I really want to BeSt and Barrax to advance, he's really good terran who couldn't show his hundred percent yet. | ||
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angry_maia
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Ikirouta
Finland727 Posts
On February 08 2022 18:55 angry_maia wrote: Is there an english stream on afreeca? starcast https://play.afreecatv.com/dth03119/ | ||
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angry_maia
314 Posts
you the best. I have to stay up all night due to work and this helps.. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On February 08 2022 17:03 HOLYBATS wrote: Here we go again! BO1 is a great challenge for pros ! LB Best/Barracks disagree, I really wish it went away by now. way too random. bo1 / bo1 / bo3 / bo3 / bo3 is a perfect "middle-of-the-road" format for early group stages, imo | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
go, go Shuttle ! ! ! | ||
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outscar
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prosatan
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outscar
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On February 08 2022 19:20 prosatan wrote: Best- 13 /13 ASL participations Also he finished on most of them 5-8th place - top 8. Now that's what I call dedication. | ||
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prosatan
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prosatan
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prosatan
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GG !! | ||
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outscar
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prosatan
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Best still has very good PvT with his insane macro! And PvP is such a flipcoin at top level (except for Rain - he can win in every situation in PvP  ) | ||
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prosatan
Romania8047 Posts
On February 08 2022 19:25 outscar wrote: Godly hold from BeSt. Honestly Beast's games are so disappointing lately. Why he wouldn't go to macro game or at least transition after first failure. He was a bit behind after his initial ling push...he went all in all in all in from there | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
On February 08 2022 19:26 prosatan wrote: He was a bit behind after his initial ling push...he went all in all in all in from there I can understand that but still preparing like 6 months for new season and just lose like this is disappointing even for viewers. Imagine how bad he must be feeling afterwards. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
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TMNT
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prosatan
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Barracks - bottom on Eclipse! | ||
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prosatan
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On February 08 2022 19:32 TMNT wrote: When you know you're not better than your opponent, better go for the surprising all-in rather than the long macro game. Especially true for ZvP. Can understand that. Agree ! | ||
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prosatan
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prosatan
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second gas steal | ||
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outscar
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prosatan
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I thought about it ! | ||
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atrox_
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prosatan
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Ziggy
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prosatan
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Many goons and a reaver incoming | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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outscar
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prosatan
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prosatan
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On February 08 2022 19:41 BLinD-RawR wrote: at least rax is living up to his name. good one  | ||
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outscar
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outscar
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Ziggy
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prosatan
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PvP in winners game! Let's gogogo! | ||
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outscar
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prosatan
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On February 08 2022 19:51 outscar wrote: BeSt to lose to DTs then to lose to some stupid rush at final game incoming. I swear I had imagined this scenario .... | ||
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prosatan
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Should be this way on all mirror games ! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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outscar
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outscar
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prosatan
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Now Barracks should be next, at least my LB says this way... But now, i think Shuttle will get out ... | ||
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angry_maia
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prosatan
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TMNT
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prosatan
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 feel for him | ||
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outscar
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rararara
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do players ever get in brawls outside? (e.g. because of 4pools) | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
yes/no?? xDDD | ||
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M2
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outscar
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outscar
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prosatan
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outscar
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outscar
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Zetter
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prosatan
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If it was best i think he would lose to this type of all in... Good ! Best and Shuttle made it ! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
at least players that I wanted to advance did not disappoint. | ||
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TMNT
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It feels to me like he doesn't really know it's Lurker. He just builds a bunch of Cannons in both main and nat to cover all situations. It works out in the end but what if Beast just builds another Hatch and drones up? | ||
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oxKnu
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On February 08 2022 21:02 TMNT wrote: Can anyone explain to me the thought process of Shuttle in correctly predicting the Lurker Ling all-in? His scouting probe dies early and since then it's totally guess work. It feels to me like he doesn't really know it's Lurker. He just builds a bunch of Cannons in both main and nat to cover all situations. It works out in the end but what if Beast just builds another Hatch and drones up? He knows it's an all-in though. So he just desperately started building cannons wherever he could. If the attack doesn't come (sair is on the way) he gets to cancel the main cannons. It was ok I think. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
He really didn't give any shits and it showed. edit: dunno if I'll get in trouble for writing this but Beast's play is sort of shit you expect from someone deliberately throwing games :/ | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
On February 08 2022 21:02 TMNT wrote: Can anyone explain to me the thought process of Shuttle in correctly predicting the Lurker Ling all-in? His scouting probe dies early and since then it's totally guess work. It feels to me like he doesn't really know it's Lurker. He just builds a bunch of Cannons in both main and nat to cover all situations. It works out in the end but what if Beast just builds another Hatch and drones up? He saw Beast's first two games and it seemed pretty clear he wasn't in the mood for playing a proper BW game. | ||
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Destroyer
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lamarine
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On February 08 2022 23:02 Destroyer wrote: Meh I dont get.. That guy has qualified through 2:0's over Ample and Scan, who are both solid top tier players. Then comes into main event.. and do stupid crap like this. Just why.. i wonder if he did same stupid shit in qualies | ||
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Destroyer
Czech Republic931 Posts
On February 08 2022 23:36 lamarine wrote: i wonder if he did same stupid shit in qualies Made me curous, so I went through qualification VOD, found one of his games and no... He played standard perfecly solid ZvT game with usual muta opening, into 3 bases, into lurker defiler and outplayed the terran. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
simple | ||
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
As for the failed lurker all-in, it looked like a really powerful build. The corsair was NOT going to detect it in time. It only failed because Shuttle had star sense and made four cannons BLIND. You don't see the Protoss do that every game. Obviously Shuttle had a hunch something dirty was coming his way, but he was taking a huge gamble with that number of cannons in the main and natural. On February 09 2022 00:44 ajmbek wrote: so if i have not watched it live i had now to wait a week to get it on youtube? No, go to the YouTube channel of the BeSt man: https://www.youtube.com/c/도재욱TV/videos There are 8-minute edited videos that capture the most important aspects of the matches. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On February 09 2022 00:09 Destroyer wrote: Made me curous, so I went through qualification VOD, found one of his games and no... He played standard perfecly solid ZvT game with usual muta opening, into 3 bases, into lurker defiler and outplayed the terran. seems like the bo1 format poisoned his brain or something damn shame | ||
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
I would expect the way he feels playing against Best is how you would feel playing against Beast. Unless you're 2700+ ladder rank. | ||
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
On February 08 2022 21:02 TMNT wrote: Can anyone explain to me the thought process of Shuttle in correctly predicting the Lurker Ling all-in? His scouting probe dies early and since then it's totally guess work. It feels to me like he doesn't really know it's Lurker. He just builds a bunch of Cannons in both main and nat to cover all situations. It works out in the end but what if Beast just builds another Hatch and drones up? He expected an allin because beast heavy-cheesed the other two games (wasn't comfotable enough to play straight up) and played 9 pool instead of overpool. He built cannons at the front to be safe against ling and hydra allins but when these allins didn't come he expected mutalisks. You can see that he built cannons in the main but canceled them when he scouted with his first corsair. | ||
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maybe
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On February 09 2022 00:44 ajmbek wrote: so if i have not watched it live i had now to wait a week to get it on youtube? you can watch the scan/nyoken vod on afreeca vod.afreecatv.com | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On February 09 2022 01:20 Djabanete wrote: Why hate on Beast? Cheese is part of the game. It's not whether you cheese, it's how you cheese. The 4-pool proved to be devastating on a map where the lings could avoid the scouting SCV and still reach T quickly. I respect a Zerg who knows when it's time to 4-pool and keep the fear alive. Don't you guys know that Jaedong used to 4-pool all the time, even in big games? As for the failed lurker all-in, it looked like a really powerful build. The corsair was NOT going to detect it in time. It only failed because Shuttle had star sense and made four cannons BLIND. You don't see the Protoss do that every game. Obviously Shuttle had a hunch something dirty was coming his way, but he was taking a huge gamble with that number of cannons in the main and natural. No, go to the YouTube channel of the BeSt man: https://www.youtube.com/c/도재욱TV/videos There are 8-minute edited videos that capture the most important aspects of the matches. I agree with you, that's why I love StarCraft. All of build order, strategy is not sure win. Although some of them looks very strong, example: 9 pool, 12 nexus, 2 factories before CC. So I can do everything that I like in StarCraft, example: 14 CC vs Protoss, mech vs Zerg... I saw Flash built 2 bunkers without know Calm played lurkers in Proleague. Sense of gosu is so cool! | ||
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Lazyer
United States343 Posts
As cheesy as Beast played, it was refreshing to see how cheese looks so bad when deflected by a pro. It wasn't even close in the Best and Shuttle games. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
Game 1 - He hides his build relatively well before inexplicably letting the probe scout his nat and the extra lings around the 3:40 mark. Easy win for Best once this happens. If you're going to try do this, you can't let that scouting probe into your nat like that. Game 2 - We could give Beast the benefit of the doubt here in that most Terrans could be doing that early expand wall at the nat during practice sessions which give 4 pool a high probability of winning. Fine, whatevs. Game 3 - he puts in no effort here. His 9 pool + early gas is scouted. It's pretty obvious an all-in of some sort of coming. Shuttle just needs to figure out if it's coming through the front or if it's mutas. He was able to hedge against both and win easily. I'm fine with players gambling against better opponents, but Beast picked probably the two worst builds he could have gone with in games 1 and 3. They had such low probabilities of succeeding and if you're not going to put any effort into blocking your opponent scouting your shitty builds, why even bother? | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
What I meant is that it's silly to judge players harshly for deciding to cheese, and it's also tempting to be too results-oriented instead of process-oriented: "They lost, so the cheese was dumb." I realize that is not quite what you were initially saying, but it sounded that way until you elaborated. As for whether Beast's builds were fundamentally bad, I do wonder what kind of build you're supposed to do against Best and Shuttle when you know your skill is less than theirs. What was Beast supposed to do? (Actual question, not rhetorical.) | ||
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
oh really really really thank you | ||
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