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[ASL11] Ro8 Day 1
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hope for some great mirror games  | ||
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Proxy gates incoming! | ||
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Obviously this was the ideal scenario with Best scouting last but judging by how huge the rush distances are on this map, with this gamble the cheeser I think wins close to 100% of the time. | ||
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On May 09 2021 19:30 prosatan wrote: Both going for 12 Nexus ! Long macro game incoming ! This didn't age well, lol. | ||
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prosatan
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On May 09 2021 19:37 BLinD-RawR wrote: will we even get to page 2 before this series ends? We will BLinD-RawR  !! | ||
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On May 09 2021 19:40 RKC wrote: Mistake for Best to move out even after scouting mini's zealots? I honestly don't understand this decision, either. He was further away from Mini's base, too, especially with the detour to not get scouted... | ||
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On May 09 2021 19:52 oxKnu wrote: Time to retire from tournament play Mr. Best. Yeah, getting to the Ro8 is definitely a reason to retire. | ||
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On May 09 2021 19:53 Miragee wrote: Yeah, getting to the Ro8 is definitely a reason to retire. Obviously you don't understand the historic context of that statement. | ||
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On May 09 2021 19:58 oxKnu wrote: Obviously you don't understand the historic context of that statement. I don't, enlighten me please. | ||
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edit: one awesome thing with afreeca is that the vod is available instantly https://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/72249731 | ||
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prosatan
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현제가 너무 잘하고 제가 못했네용 음 그동안 대회하면서 제 한계에 대해 많이 부정했었는데 오늘로서 한계를 확실히 알게되서 차라리 후련하네요 응원해주신분들에게 항상 실망만 안겨드려서 죄송합니다 그리고 감사합니다 다음시즌에 뵙겠습니다 I removed the extra lines Google translate: I'm so good at it now and I couldn't Well, during the competition, I denied my limitations a lot As of today, I know the limits for sure, so I'd rather be relieved. I'm sorry that I always disappointed the people who supported me and thank you. See you next season Source: https://www.youtube.com/c/도재욱TV/community | ||
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LaStScan
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On May 09 2021 21:21 prosatan wrote: Best, with a message for his fans! 현제가 너무 잘하고 제가 못했네용 음 그동안 대회하면서 제 한계에 대해 많이 부정했었는데 오늘로서 한계를 확실히 알게되서 차라리 후련하네요 응원해주신분들에게 항상 실망만 안겨드려서 죄송합니다 그리고 감사합니다 다음시즌에 뵙겠습니다 I removed the extra lines Google translate: I'm so good at it now and I couldn't Well, during the competition, I denied my limitations a lot As of today, I know the limits for sure, so I'd rather be relieved. I'm sorry that I always disappointed the people who supported me and thank you. See you next season Source: https://www.youtube.com/c/도재욱TV/community google translate is so off in the beginning. "I'm so good at it now and I couldn't" Here's how I've translated. "Mini is super strong and I played bad. I denied my limit when I participated tournaments, but I finally realized my limit after today's match and I feel better after the pressure(he has gone through) I'm sorry for disappointing to the people who were cheering me and thank you See you in the next season of the tournament" Google translate won't work well for Korean language because we drop out subject or even object and it still makes sense. | ||
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On May 09 2021 21:57 TMNT wrote:With Bisu virtually annoucing his retirement now, Best has become the only prominent figure left for Protoss. What did Bisu announce? | ||
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oxKnu
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On May 09 2021 21:57 TMNT wrote: Best's PvZ seems to improve a lot recently and he's still the best in PvT. He's just unlucky he gets paired with Mini. Now go back to online games and dominate the KCM series where you don't have to play PvP. With Bisu virtually annoucing his retirement now, Best has become the only prominent figure left for Protoss. Best has been around for a very long time AND has been one of the Top8 active BW players for a very large part of that, yet he has the weakest results in official matches out of that top group. The primary frustration with this player is not the fact that he bombs out in the first round of the play-offs. It's the fact that he is always performing overwhelmingly in these tournaments. Even when he pulls through his games are riddled with mistakes and decisions that are nowhere to be found in regular spon matches. It's pretty clear that he is a headcase and today Mini exploited him to the absolute maximum. As he ultimately declared in his post-match interview as well. Tournament play is pretty complex and heavy on mindgames, and if you're not Flash or Zero (especially vs P) then you should not assume that your strategy is winning (like skipping zealot, not aggressively scouting etc) because you should be better mid to late game. | ||
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On May 09 2021 20:13 superjoppe wrote: Lol I tuned in expecting to have missed the first game, and the series is already done and the stream has ended???? edit: one awesome thing with afreeca is that the vod is available instantly https://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/72249731 Here it's only a 3 second video. | ||
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He posted it a few days after his elimination. I don't speak Korean but the video has subtitles, and its title is "Last competition" with a #retirement hashtag. Basically he was saying ASL12 will be his last tournament. In the meantime he's still hanging around with sponmatches and online tournaments I guess, but it's safe to say Bisu's lost his competitive edge. | ||
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outscar
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I think Bisu needs to hang on a little bit, he's not in his top form after military so I don't understand why he wants to quit... With Flash going army and Bisu retires, Stork isn't delivering, who knows if JD's comeback will be good, what we have left? Dark times approach. | ||
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As for Bisu's retirement, it's probably for the best. His performances have been pretty uninspiring since returning from the military. Maybe this way he'll be motivated to go out with a bang. | ||
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Lazyer
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At least Mini will be a good match against Queen if JyJ doens't surprise me. I imagine BeSt might have flopped against Queen in Ro4. Sad to hear Bisu's tournament retirement His Ro24 games were great and he's like the only one who's always doing the dragoon sweeping mine micro which is super fun to watch. | ||
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darktreb
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Tournaments are just different. | ||
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Magic Powers
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 I think the way Mini played was top tier. This is how Flash played in his very first televised games, making people think he was just a cheeser who'd never amount to much. Sometimes to reach the top you just gotta run a circus show. | ||
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Turbovolver
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He definitely seemed behind, temporally behind, in G2 though. Like you could see him making moves to Mini after Mini did them already to him in his base. Kinda showing that Mini knew the killer moves and Best was meanwhile flustered by those and playing catch-up. | ||
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JoinTheRain
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On May 11 2021 18:30 Turbovolver wrote: what did Best do that was such horrible play in the cheese games? . I don't think he played horrible mechanically. The way I see it, his train of thought was like "I'm kind of the best when it comes to macro. Let me just use my tech builds and lead into my macro game and I win." He went the tech builds in both the short games, didn't even build a zealot the first game which was too greedy for a two player map. And while he built one in the second short game, it was already too late of an adjustment, to adapt in the possibly last game of the series. If anything, I think Best should've cheesed in the third game. Anyway, brilliant if not the prettiest games from Mini, gl to him in the Ro4 | ||
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On May 11 2021 18:30 Turbovolver wrote: I don't know enough about PvP to have any idea what Best really did wrong there. Like that cheese is vicious when you get the pylon block on the dragoon like in game 3. Someone more knowledgeable, what did Best do that was such horrible play in the cheese games? He didn't do anything particularly horrible. When you get cheesed and don't find out soon enough - and in Best's case, he was also very unlucky that he scouted Mini last in both of those games - chances are you're more likely to lose. What I'd say is Best was reckless in his play for not actively looking for proxy. Me and you and everyone already know that Mini likes to cheese, yet somehow Best just ignored that and he even skipped the safety zealot in game 1. | ||
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whaski
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On May 10 2021 16:05 Magic Powers wrote: Guess I'm in the minority thinking this match was awesome I think the way Mini played was top tier. This is how Flash played in his very first televised games, making people think he was just a cheeser who'd never amount to much. Sometimes to reach the top you just gotta run a circus show. Also compared how Mini usually stomps Best online result is not that suprising, but the way how Mini was superior in every aspect in game 2 is quite something. But of course Mini is and has been for a long a pvp virtuoso with his micro and "perverted" gameplanning. | ||
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coverpunch
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They played grab-ass and missed the big things that explain why Mini won. | ||
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