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+ Show Spoiler [Recommended Games] + + Show Spoiler [ZerO vs Mong] + Good game, some questionable decisions aside from the loser's side. + Show Spoiler [Shuttle vs Mini] + watch if you like ruthless aggression. + Show Spoiler [Winner's Game] + + Show Spoiler [Game 1] + Great showing from the winner, good tactical decision making. + Show Spoiler [Game 2] + if you've watched game 1, watch this game too, simply for the story told, quick game. + Show Spoiler [Game 3] + Close back and forth game. + Show Spoiler [Loser's Game] + + Show Spoiler [Game 1] + boring game for its length, watch if you have time + Show Spoiler [Game 2] + much like game 1, fairly standard. + Show Spoiler [Game 3] + watch if you have time. + Show Spoiler [Final Game] + + Show Spoiler [Game 1] + awesome, confusing, shocking, watch for the unit usage. + Show Spoiler [Game 2] + Masterful game from the winner. + Show Spoiler [Game 3] + pure pressure plays, quick and dirty game. | ||
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prosatan
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 LB: Zero and Mini | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On April 25 2021 15:18 prosatan wrote: YESS!! Today !! Let's do this !!! LB: Zero and Mini Same  | ||
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Alur
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Edit: Do we know the order of maps? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 25 2021 17:16 Alur wrote: Mong actually has a positive winrate vs Zero on sponbbang, but Zero has so much more general success in broadcasted matches, so I'm not sure it matters. Edit: Do we know the order of maps? Bo1 map is always polypoid, the Bo3 series are not set in advance. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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Anyone know why the reversion to 3 hatch? Map dependent? Substantial mistake from Mong going for all those erasers imo | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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tried to be too fancy going for erasers. | ||
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RKC
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Or is it a delicate balancing act that only top Zergs like Zero can pull off? | ||
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ggsimida
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On April 25 2021 19:50 RKC wrote: What's the Terran (or Flash's) counter to Zerg's quick hive tech off 2.5 base? Seems pretty safe and solid. Mutas for map control and weaken frontal pushes, sunken and lurkers to defend expos. Or is it a delicate balancing act that only top Zergs like Zero can pull off? the latter. there are times zerg try to skimp on lurkers for faster defiler/ultra for example | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On April 25 2021 19:50 RKC wrote: What's the Terran (or Flash's) counter to Zerg's quick hive tech off 2.5 base? Seems pretty safe and solid. Mutas for map control and weaken frontal pushes, sunken and lurkers to defend expos. Or is it a delicate balancing act that only top Zergs like Zero can pull off? Back when 3 hatch was more popular the terrans would 5-6 rax and stop the 3rd from even going up over half the time | ||
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RKC
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On April 25 2021 19:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Normally they just run around with science vessels and dropships and forcing the Zerg units to nydus between the bases and take advantage of whenever there isn't enough zerg units at a base.Mong lost too much isolated units to mutas and lings just walking around the map early on. But it was closer than it looked really, Mong almost bust into the natural. Zero was quite even on supply with Mong, even before nydus and defiler. So yeah, Mong was rather sloppy losing units to muta and lings in the middle of the map. The game looked bleak for Terran from then on. So I'm wondering what Terran could have done better early on, even before vessels. A different build than SK Terran? | ||
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RKC
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On April 25 2021 20:03 LpTraxamillion wrote: Back when 3 hatch was more popular the terrans would 5-6 rax and stop the 3rd from even going up over half the time Would Flash's quick goliath build work well to shut down Zerg's 3rd? Or kinda map-specific? | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On April 25 2021 20:03 RKC wrote: Zero was quite even on supply with Mong, even before nydus and defiler. So yeah, Mong was rather sloppy losing units to muta and lings in the middle of the map. The game looked bleak for Terran from then on. So I'm wondering what Terran could have done better early on, even before vessels. A different build than SK Terran? No, his build was correct. Just better army movements/decisions and better science vessel utilization. Zer0 got anything he wanted that game. Muta lived forever. Fast hive, fast 4th, fast upgrade/ultra as a result of the fast 4th gas | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On April 25 2021 20:05 RKC wrote: Would Flash's quick goliath build work well to shut down Zerg's 3rd? Or kinda map-specific? No, vs Goliath builds zerg general expo more/faster because the Terran has less mobility and you need more mins to mass hydra | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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Edit: lol big throw mini | ||
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ggsimida
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On April 25 2021 20:28 LpTraxamillion wrote: Openers have zero way behind again, can't get a 12 hatch going cant presume to know what mindgame they have going | ||
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ggsimida
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pretend to be eco but spam sz instead till toss die | ||
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TaardadAiel
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Let's see if he's in any shape in game 3. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 25 2021 20:31 ggsimida wrote: oh its my favorite build pretend to be eco but spam sz instead till toss die I imagine zero must be thinking, I'm the fucking champ, I shouldn't be losing games in the Ro16. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On April 25 2021 20:30 ggsimida wrote: cant presume to know what mindgame they have going Yea I'm not saying it was bad play just that he was behind, also pretty sure zero was going to 12 hatch but threw the pool down once the scout passed his ovie | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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I've been saying protoss should be doing this way more frequently than they do | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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Edit: nvm it dies to a zealot. | ||
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RKC
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Well done Mini! | ||
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TaardadAiel
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Edit: doesn't mean it's ok to lose 15 HTs by leading with them, but he still won, didn't he. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
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damn u shy toss o.O | ||
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On April 25 2021 20:56 Ziggy wrote: hah imagine predicting zero would beat mini in the winners game hah imagine actually doing your job. | ||
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ggsimida
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never fancy this map so chokey | ||
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RKC
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On April 25 2021 20:58 LpTraxamillion wrote: Gg from mini but zero could have literally just finished the game early on the 2nd hydra reinforcement but instead he circled way around to attack the 3rd and got nothing done... Zero tried to be cute and clever with his constant movements. The ovie party at 5 was meant to fake drop and divert mini? | ||
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On April 25 2021 21:00 RKC wrote: Zero tried to be cute and clever with his constant movements. The ovie party at 5 was meant to fake drop and divert mini? Yea he was going to fake the drop then hit the natural (which would have won him the game) but instead he swung over half his hydras around to the top of the 3rd and basically just gave mini time to recover. Didn't really do the fake at all | ||
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RKC
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On April 25 2021 21:09 LpTraxamillion wrote: Yea he was going to fake the drop then hit the natural (which would have won him the game) but instead he swung over half his hydras around to the top of the 3rd and basically just gave mini time to recover. Didn't really do the fake at all Yeah, that was the weird part. I found it funny that Zero just left his ovies camping there for the longest time, instead of bringing them back safely home. Almost as if to let mini spot the ovies and cover up his botched maneuver: "Oh, my overlords are just chilling here, wasn't planning anything. Nothing to see here, move along." | ||
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Shuttle vs Zero in the final match ! | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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Nt by Mong | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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gg | ||
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prosatan
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On April 25 2021 22:09 Piste wrote: Just saw Shuttle win over Mong, but didnt catch previous games. What are the results so far? Did someone advance already? Mini - 1st place ! | ||
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DADADADADADADADADADADADA | ||
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GG! | ||
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prosatan
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Final match of the final match ! | ||
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oxKnu
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Just made things crazy up until he gained an incredible eco lead going forward. | ||
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LB SAFE !! | ||
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GGs | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On April 25 2021 22:56 ShAsTa wrote: Shuttle could have won that last game but his multitasking wasn't good enough. Yep, Shuttle was in a fantastic spot at one point but then couldn't keep up with the chaos and speedlings in his base. | ||
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On April 26 2021 03:22 M2 wrote: pretty sad that shuttle did not make it, we should've had 2 protosses advancing I feel the other way around, happy Zero made it, but damn was he close to being eliminated... It's kinda Zero style though, remember that ASL a season or 2-3 ago when he was super lucky to advance winning a game vs Mini (I think?) that he should've lost and another game in the same group (think it was vs a terran) he was way behind and pulled it through... Damn he had me doubting he was gonna win that last set too... Happy he won though, Zero is awesome. | ||
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outscar
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Really good series between Zero and Mini but that 3rd game totally delivered! ZerO played flawlessly but I felt like Mini was something different, he gave his 100% and showed he came to win. It's no easy feat to defeat last 2 ASL champion. Mong is good terran but he really needs to learn how to deal damage: he really failed at both matches doing so. If anyone watched Mong long he used to have a habit to get a ninja CC especially on Curciut Breakers to chew extra minerals before it gets discovered so it's satisfying to see Shuttle used his strat against him by taking a secret nexus on FS. But still Shuttle managed to go on so my point about Mong stands. That 17 hero DT kill by Shuttle was MVP. ZerO winning the series was expected but Shutle was so close. Sad ending. | ||
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Lazyer
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Loving the DT usage now, so deadly. Of course, always love to see a winning scout in ASL, there needs to be a bingo for that xD. | ||
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Djabanete
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Congrats to all four players. They really delivered. | ||
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rararara
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absolutely clueless about from midgame on about decisions and meta.. | ||
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angry_maia
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any idea what actually happened in game 3 of mini vs queen? absolutely clueless about from midgame on about decisions and meta.. Just speculating, but I think it was a combination of 1. upgrade advantage 2. getting around queen's contain rather than fighting to break it. Although queen was able to kill a ludicrous number of templar, mini never took an engagement that lost the core of his army, and his zealot runbys did heavy heavy damage. His massive upgrades also allowed him to trade very very well in every fight even without fantastic storms. | ||
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Tranimal
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On April 29 2021 09:10 rararara wrote: any idea what actually happened in game 3 of mini vs queen? absolutely clueless about from midgame on about decisions and meta.. looked mostly to me like queen misunderstood the map and based his plan around mostly shoving through to a natural / 3rd area that had a really tight choke, and never was able to quite punish mini, until mini was able to survive and amass enough to break out, send zealot troopers, and do significant damage. | ||
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