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BLinD-RawR
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Djabanete
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ggsimida
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thedeadhaji
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On April 04 2021 14:20 Djabanete wrote: That's tough. I really want Best and Action to advance, but I also liked JyJ's games last ASL. He fought hard and made every game exciting. I think this group will have great games. I wish that at least the elimination games were Bo3. Agreed re:JyJ | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4265 Posts
Now just need to find something to do for 1h.. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
On April 04 2021 18:10 KobraKay wrote: ok jacked up and ready to go! Now just need to find something to do for 1h.. I am here too ! Less than one hour left! | ||
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outscar
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prosatan
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KobraKay
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prosatan
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Miragee
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prosatan
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prosatan
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
and he wants to take his 3rd | ||
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Miragee
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Miragee
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4265 Posts
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Miragee
8649 Posts
On April 04 2021 19:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Looks like he wanted to concentrate on the drop and didn't notice his tanks were being chased by the dragoons till it was too late. Should had seiged the tanks or moved them all the way back to base. Yeah, true. Thinking about it, I assume he tried to divert with the drop in hopes to set up a forward position with just a handful of tanks. That way he would have been way faster at Best's nat when the actual push was ready because he wouldn't have needed to leap frog the entire distance but only half. | ||
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Miragee
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oxKnu
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
now Best vs JyJ in the winners match! | ||
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Miragee
8649 Posts
Aaaaand the stream is down again. Maybe I'm just going to watch the vods later. -.-' | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Edit: ok, so I seem to lose connection everytime the adverts start. Strange. | ||
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fazek42
Hungary438 Posts
 seems back up now | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4265 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
YMMV | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4265 Posts
GGs guys | ||
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Miragee
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BLinD-RawR
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oxKnu
1245 Posts
This map is really bad for Toss though. No way to attack Terran. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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On April 04 2021 20:17 BLinD-RawR wrote: JyJ, my dude you had this, you still kinda have it, but don't throw it away. Wooooo  | ||
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Miragee
8649 Posts
On April 04 2021 20:19 oxKnu wrote: Nice mind-game from JyJ. Also pretty lackluster performance by Best. This map is really bad for Toss though. No way to attack Terran. Well, the b/o advantage for JyJ was pretty big. On April 04 2021 19:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I had Korean stream open at the same time so it wasn't too much trouble for me. The Korean stream worked fine so I guess ASL limited their bandwidth or something? Anyways what might had been missed was that Action put on a really good burst of muta micro that managed to make JyJ abandon his nat, but then he lost too many mutas at once and after that JyJ retook his nat and pushed out and killed Action's third. Action did counterattack into the JyJ nat again forcing the lift off again but was cleaned up by science vessels. After that Action gged despite still having a substantial army since he was on 2 base. Edit: ok, so I seem to lose connection everytime the adverts start. Strange. Thank you! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
On April 04 2021 20:19 oxKnu wrote: Nice mind-game from JyJ. Also pretty lackluster performance by Best. This map is really bad for Toss though. No way to attack Terran. Yes , I was thinking about this... pvt looks so hard | ||
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oxKnu
1245 Posts
On April 04 2021 20:22 prosatan wrote: gg....And if Best pairs with Action in the final match he might get eliminated.... In a Bo1, every competent Zerg should be an overwhelming favorite against Protoss, especially at this level. I'm happy for JyJ, he's fantastic and has improved a lot. | ||
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TMNT
3123 Posts
That strategy of JYJ won't get him the win in a BO3, or on a proper map. But hey, it's BO1, let's take a punt so you can eliminate the better player. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
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Miragee
8649 Posts
On April 04 2021 20:25 TMNT wrote: And that's why you don't do BO1 in this round. That strategy of JYJ won't get him the win in a BO3, or on a proper map. But hey, it's BO1, let's take a punt so you can eliminate the better player. Well, it's not like Best played particularly well regardless of the build order disadvantage. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On April 04 2021 20:24 oxKnu wrote: In a Bo1, every competent Zerg should be an overwhelming favorite against Protoss, especially at this level. ??? | ||
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oxKnu
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On April 04 2021 20:25 TMNT wrote: And that's why you don't do BO1 in this round. That strategy of JYJ won't get him the win in a BO3, or on a proper map. But hey, it's BO1, let's take a punt so you can eliminate the better player. What he did was great for the flow of the game as it was scouted by both sides. Also a very good strat for this map in PvT. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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Miragee
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oxKnu
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Not sure what's the problem here.. I thought it was pretty well known at this point. In a 2-player map things might be different but otherwise, I fully stand by my claim. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
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prosatan
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Miragee
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Dangermousecatdog
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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TMNT
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On April 04 2021 20:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote: What punt? He sat back and macroed up, then did standard timing pushes with tanks. He took his third way earlier than "standard timing", counting on either Best not finding out, or not being able to attack because of this map. If Terran has 3 bases and Protoss has 2, Terran simply wins, no amazing skills required. If the game was played on Eclipse or Polypoid (which it should be because its a BO1), JYJ would never. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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TMNT
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On April 04 2021 20:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I would say that is identifying and playing to the strengths of the map. No player is obliged to play the way you want them to play in a competitive game. True. I dont mean to undermine JYJ strat. My main point is you shouldn't do BO1 in this round. And if you do, do it on a balanced map. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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oxKnu
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On April 04 2021 21:01 BLinD-RawR wrote: Bo1 is fine. It's a dick move to do it in elimination matches though. Unless it's a throwaway weekend tourney for fun. | ||
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Miragee
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Miragee
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On April 04 2021 21:16 nojok wrote: It feels like we never got to see a big army clash in this game, only skirmishes. Which is a good thing. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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ggsimida
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 04 2021 21:07 oxKnu wrote: It's a dick move to do it in elimination matches though. Unless it's a throwaway weekend tourney for fun. a dick move thats been around for 20 years, they've learned to deal with it, when will the fans? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
On April 04 2021 21:18 bovienchien wrote: G F G LUL it was a GFG tho | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4238 Posts
Glad BeSt was able to make it through GGs  | ||
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oxKnu
1245 Posts
On April 04 2021 21:18 BLinD-RawR wrote: a dick move thats been around for 20 years, they've learned to deal with it, when will the fans? never, because fans don't give a fuck about condensing a broadcast to 1h50min but rather good games and competition. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
No idea why toss don't nexus first way more often, too risky for zerg to gamble on punishing it. I see it 1/10 and toss would increase Winrate going nexus first 3-5/10 | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4238 Posts
On April 04 2021 21:18 BLinD-RawR wrote: a dick move thats been around for 20 years, they've learned to deal with it, when will the fans? bo1 sucks major balls in solo leagues group stage play (unless it's a round robin with like 5 or more players) but it's good for the show, I guess.. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On April 04 2021 21:18 BLinD-RawR wrote: a dick move thats been around for 20 years, they've learned to deal with it, when will the fans? To be fair, in a BO1, you don't really want a map that greatly favours one race over another. | ||
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
Unfortunate for Action, I thought he looked good today and he had a MASSIVE upgrade advantage in that last game... Not sure at what point exactly Soma overtook Action as the best new Zerg. Not sure if Action fell off or just hit a plateau | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
On April 04 2021 21:21 Dangermousecatdog wrote: To be fair, in a BO1, you don't really want a map that greatly favours one race over another. it happens, its on the players to prepare for it, the only downside I'm seeing for this season is that there is no set map for winners, losers and final. nobody likes to practice on more maps, theres already one uncertain factor with who you're going to face next, so I'll give you that. | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
gfg nice thread today | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13310 Posts
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outscar
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On April 04 2021 20:59 TMNT wrote: True. I dont mean to undermine JYJ strat. My main point is you shouldn't do BO1 in this round. And if you do, do it on a balanced map. WUTT? O_O | ||
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thedeadhaji
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On April 04 2021 21:24 BLinD-RawR wrote: it happens, its on the players to prepare for it, the only downside I'm seeing for this season is that there is no set map for winners, losers and final. nobody likes to practice on more maps, theres already one uncertain factor with who you're going to face next, so I'll give you that. I do feel like bo1s worked better during OSL days when players would have 1 match a week. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
On April 05 2021 22:06 thedeadhaji wrote: I do feel like bo1s worked better during OSL days when players would have 1 match a week. What about MSL then? Which was the same format. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 05 2021 22:12 sixfour wrote: Does nobody do recommended game polls anymore? Not enough people participate for it to matter unfortunately, if you'd like I could do it the really old way of just putting a quick one line recommendation for each match. | ||
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On April 06 2021 01:48 BLinD-RawR wrote: What about MSL then? Which was the same format. Yeah I was trying to remember what MSL was like, and my brain couldn't really remember it. Thanks for pointing it out. I think Dual Tournament was also this format right? I don't 100% remember the details but did MSL move to this format after it expanded from 16 to 24 players? (which is what ASL is) I'm looking through the cobwebs of my brain and I'm recalling glimpses of feelings of "well MSL ro24 is sort of a foregone conclusion mostly anyways, whatever" versus I think during the 16 player OSL bo1 one game a week era, the games somehow felt like they had more prepared builds, players looked more nervous / high stakes, etc. Totally might be selection bias though, hard to recall exactly what my impressions were from 15 years ago  | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
At the risk of progamer ID deadnaming, I gotta say Sexy has too many AKA's. I was like whodafuq is Speed/Moon'Hero? On April 06 2021 01:50 BLinD-RawR wrote: Not enough people participate for it to matter unfortunately, if you'd like I could do it the really old way of just putting a quick one line recommendation for each match. This would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4141 Posts
On April 06 2021 13:17 reincremate wrote: Awesome games overall. Glad to see a Protoss and Terran make it out in a Zerg-heavy tournament. . How is this a Zerg heavy tournament with 12 terrans in it (at this stage) ?. Anyway in next stage we will probably have a fairly balanced TvZ numbers with few protosses in between and what I dont like is that it looks like protoss no longer have players who can win or even reach the finals. Its predefined that the winner will be T or Z, at least thats how it looks to me | ||
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