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[ASL10] Grand Finals - ZerO vs Soma
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My only wish | ||
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prosatan
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On November 15 2020 13:16 Sif_ wrote: ZerO 4-2 Soma +1  | ||
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whylessness
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Ruff
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Soma defeated Zero in CasterMuse SL S3 and will probably defeat him this time. It will be a close match because Zero has excellent mutalisk micro control. | ||
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AttackZerg
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Queen is the reigning camp for a reason. I do think Soma has that extra-gear that some champions come stock with, we have all seen him peak under pressure, but if Soma doesn't play better then he ever has before - I expect Queen to crush him. I will be paying specific attention to the interactions of single group micro and multi-group, if the trend I've noticed is real, Queen undoubtedly would know it and seek to exploit it. I want to know who is the best Zerg and within the next hour and a half or so, I will have at least a temporary answer. Rooting for Soma and Queen. Either one is a fitting champion. (edit: Thanks for the thread Blind~RawR) | ||
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prosatan
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JieXian
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haha I just drew this. I wish I could carry this coat of arms in the crowd and show it to him hahha (I gave him more of a smile) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/uXZofXO.png) I'll be happy whoever wins. If Queen wins, he'll be the repeat champion after that video was released where other progamers were saying that he couldn't win championships, if Soma wins, he's the new zerg champion and he always looks like he wants to kill someone. They both played well. Also, when Queen played vs Larva I consistently saw Queen having up to 15-20 minerals more that Larva before 9/9 when the builds are mirrored. | ||
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AttackZerg
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AttackZerg
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-Queen (from tasteless live translation) | ||
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whylessness
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razorsuKe
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On November 15 2020 18:12 AttackZerg wrote: "He thinks he is going to win a championship, he doesn't know anything, he is an amateur player ..." -Queen (from tasteless live translation) dddaammnnnn that's quality | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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whylessness
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AttackZerg
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prosatan
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prosatan
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going all in | ||
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prosatan
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GG !! | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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lolfail9001
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On November 15 2020 18:22 AttackZerg wrote: Everyone cried about a ZvZ finals ... and yet, in the pregame we are at 60+ thousand viewers, and I just did the quickiest count possible, I surely missed some. I understand why everyone cried about ZvZ finals though. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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AttackZerg
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The single group control, Soma's defense after his fail was brilliant but Queens groups looked much more alive. | ||
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AttackZerg
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On November 15 2020 18:39 lolfail9001 wrote: I understand why everyone cried about ZvZ finals though. Me too. I want to cry a little for every finals that isn't a ZvT, but for me that is the Royal Matchup. Just saying, we still got eyeballs  | ||
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AttackZerg
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BLinD-RawR
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ggsimida
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poor soma gotta stabilise soon | ||
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yoshi245
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Disgusting, Flash lost in the semis so we all have to suffer this. | ||
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Terrakin
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Amanebak
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On November 15 2020 18:50 yoshi245 wrote: En route to a fast 4-0 win for Zero. Disgusting, Flash lost in the semis so we all have to suffer this. Just fuck off. User was warned for this post | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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AttackZerg
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Imagine having to play against this maniac. He seems to be right inside Soma's very planning process. | ||
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yoshi245
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Ha, nope. I'm the silent majority that decided to speak out. You're delusional if you think plenty of people are enjoying this, it's not even really entertaining when it becomes a predictable stomp on the most disliked mirror matchup. | ||
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konadora
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konadora
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Gorsameth
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On November 15 2020 18:58 konadora wrote: you can go on Youtube and watch the previous games. wait this started 1 hour ago? fuck LOL | ||
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jjmmtt
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On November 15 2020 18:56 yoshi245 wrote: Ha, nope. I'm the silent majority that decided to speak out. You're delusional if you think plenty of people are enjoying this, it's not even really entertaining when it becomes a predictable stomp on the most disliked mirror matchup. I never suffer when I'm listening Tastosis cast my favourite game. It doesn't matter if it's the worst matchup. Don't presume to speak for others and don't comment if this is all you have to say, no one cares, suffer on your own and consider watching something else if you're "suffering", thanks "silent majority". | ||
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AttackZerg
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JieXian
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On November 15 2020 18:56 yoshi245 wrote: Ha, nope. I'm the silent majority that decided to speak out. You're delusional if you think plenty of people are enjoying this, it's not even really entertaining when it becomes a predictable stomp on the most disliked mirror matchup. If you don't like it just shut up and be sad alone . don't ruin it for others who are trying to enjoy themselves | ||
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JieXian
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On November 15 2020 18:55 AttackZerg wrote: Queen is playing a thought-out match strategy. Just like versus Larva, he out mindgames the situation and gets extra juice and positional advantage, map after map. Imagine having to play against this maniac. He seems to be right inside Soma's very planning process. Yes exactly that's beautiful to watch | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 18:56 yoshi245 wrote: Ha, nope. I'm the silent majority that decided to speak out. You're delusional if you think plenty of people are enjoying this, it's not even really entertaining when it becomes a predictable stomp on the most disliked mirror matchup. the way you say it seems like you're trying to take away from the fact that Soma beat Flash. | ||
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prosatan
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On November 15 2020 18:58 konadora wrote: wait this started 1 hour ago? fuck LOL Hi kona ! You forgot about it ? 2-1 already  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 19:03 AttackZerg wrote: I don't think Soma planned this, this is every zergs default 4 player map build when you feel hopeless. 99% sure he was going to do this on polypoid. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 19:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote: What's the correct response? Just let the hatch die? Or was it that Soma microed better than Queen? nothing, clean BO loss, gg move to the next game. | ||
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AttackZerg
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On November 15 2020 19:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: 99% sure he was going to do this on polypoid. I hope they ask in the interview! | ||
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Ollin
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On November 15 2020 19:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: nothing, clean BO loss, gg move to the next game. i think Dangermousecatdog is wondering why Soma did not lost the hatch. IMO it's the distance between naturals that gave Soma some more time to get lings out. | ||
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AttackZerg
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On November 15 2020 19:08 Bhindt wrote: i think Dangermousecatdog is wondering why Soma did not lost the hatch. IMO it's the distance between naturals that gave Soma some more time to get lings out. Soma built 9 drones, extractor trick 10 drones - hatch Queen built 9 drones, overlord 3 drones - hat Soma built gas before pool as well but they didn't show they base so I don't have the exact timing. Against a normal gas-9pool Soma should have end up with a build order advantage, Queen did extra damage and snuck in a fast hatchery instead of speed/lair. The sunken in the main was a blind counter to an assumed speed follow-up. It was a very meta-crush. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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AttackZerg
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On November 15 2020 19:13 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I was talking about game 3. I thought you were talking about the differing effects of 9pool vs hatch first in both games 3 and 4. In that case, I listed the build orders both players used for the games first game 3 then 4. The reason is Somas hatchery was WAY faster. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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konadora
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AttackZerg
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Such a gifted bastard. | ||
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konadora
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Sif_
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 lost the first 4 games | ||
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razorsuKe
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noob killer build | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Powerpill
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 19:25 Powerpill wrote: Something interesting in a ZvZ, works or not, glad he did it ^^ ZerO has a lot of history of doing this, actually the last time he did it offline was in ASL2 | ||
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konadora
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prosatan
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3-2 and let's go wit 4-2 ! | ||
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M2
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else soma wins xD | ||
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Zealos
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Why is it muta defense is so much stronger? I understand the multiple attacks, but wouldn't that also apply to the attack upgrades? IE if its hitting 3 times, the upgraded attack is applied 3 times no | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Ai7wpiO.png) | ||
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On November 15 2020 19:30 Zealos wrote: A few mins behind, so won't be able to check responses for a little Why is it muta defense is so much stronger? I understand the multiple attacks, but wouldn't that also apply to the attack upgrades? IE if its hitting 3 times, the upgraded attack is applied 3 times no + armor takes out the splash damage completely I think | ||
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JieXian
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.that moustache trash talk by tasteless is hilarious | ||
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AttackZerg
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On November 15 2020 19:30 Zealos wrote: A few mins behind, so won't be able to check responses for a little Why is it muta defense is so much stronger? I understand the multiple attacks, but wouldn't that also apply to the attack upgrades? IE if its hitting 3 times, the upgraded attack is applied 3 times no Defense scales much better. The tiny extra from a bounce can't compare to the the third bounce being nullified by +1 vs 0/0. Attack scales very, very well vs large and or static objects. Larger Up-front damage. The attack does bounce really, really sexy with +2 vs 1/1 marines. | ||
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konadora
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lolfail9001
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On November 15 2020 19:30 Zealos wrote: A few mins behind, so won't be able to check responses for a little Why is it muta defense is so much stronger? I understand the multiple attacks, but wouldn't that also apply to the attack upgrades? IE if its hitting 3 times, the upgraded attack is applied 3 times no Because secondary attacks deal reduced damage (namely 1/3rd and 1/9th) they also get reduced increase from upgrade. While armor reduces secondary attacks normally. So 3 mutas with +1 attack would take 9/3/1 damage from 3 mutas with 1 armor but would only deal 9/2.3(?)/.5 to them. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 19:34 konadora wrote: LMAO the korean castors are subtly referring to the power outage MSL problem LUL saying they've learnt from their past mistakes and are immediately replacing the affected parts oh that pc was shit, probably pooped out because the pure shit from game 5 | ||
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AttackZerg
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On November 15 2020 19:34 konadora wrote: LMAO the korean castors are subtly referring to the power outage MSL problem LUL saying they've learnt from their past mistakes and are immediately replacing the affected parts That was such a dramatic night for me. | ||
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On November 15 2020 19:36 AttackZerg wrote: That was such a dramatic night for me. And unfortunate for Jaedong, as it cast a shadow over his win there. And poor Flash's father. | ||
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konadora
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konadora
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LATE GAME ZVZ PLEASEEEE | ||
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konadora
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soma’s upgrades won him that game at least we’re going all 7 games and not a walkover, nice! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 19:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I didn't expect Soma to win that fight. Queen looks like he now regrets the proxy from the previous game. the power of +1 armor | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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So zero skipped the armore upgrade in favor of 4 scourge? Seems like a gamble on a good timing attack | ||
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Ruff
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On November 15 2020 18:12 AttackZerg wrote: "He thinks he is going to win a championship, he doesn't know anything, he is an amateur player ..." -Queen (from tasteless live translation) An amateur player has already won 3 games. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 19:48 LpTraxamillion wrote: Hmm, So zero skipped the armore upgrade in favor of 4 scourge? Seems like a gamble on a good timing attack basically all of soma's losses this series have been like that, skip crucial tech for extra units, nice to see zero do it too. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 19:49 JieXian wrote: Give Queen some credit for creating some drama on g5 to keep the series interesting haha i'd give him credit if he won. | ||
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AttackZerg
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Fuck it. Soma Hwaiting~!~! Win. Win. Win. No more both sides. WIN! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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so brave. so true | ||
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Sif_
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make finals bo9! | ||
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AttackZerg
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No matter what - shit has to be nutts to get to a game 7. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 19:54 Golgotha wrote: More games are better... Game 7 boys! for everyone but the people in the studio. especially the players. | ||
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konadora
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On November 15 2020 19:57 Amanebak wrote: Who's ahead? definitely soma but have to see how this pause plays out | ||
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AttackZerg
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Just a verbal slapping. He will shave soon. | ||
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Sif_
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On November 15 2020 19:58 BLinD-RawR wrote: to be fair more games aren't even better for the people watching at home, players needing to prepare for more maps means that the games will be worse, and yes even one more map to prepare for makes a huge difference. more games mean less variance, which is good imo | ||
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KobraKay
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On November 15 2020 19:59 Sif_ wrote: more games mean less variance, which is good imo This is not SC2. That variance talk is great there, not here. | ||
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On November 15 2020 19:58 AttackZerg wrote: Dude ... Tasteless just battle rapped Artosis's mustache on to a watchlist. Just a verbal slapping. He will shave soon. Hahaha yes | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 19:59 Sif_ wrote: more games mean less variance, which is good imo quality of games drop horribly, not worth the statistical stability. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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things were so much better when it was just 4 maps. | ||
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On November 15 2020 20:03 GreenHorizons wrote: lmao haven't watched any SC in awhile, tastosis makes it for me. they are really hitting it out of the park with these showerthoughts man, astronauts hard wired to not freak out? Totally just realized this. They're like Kobe, never flinch. | ||
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On November 15 2020 20:06 razorsuKe wrote: they are really hitting it out of the park with these showerthoughts man, astronauts hard wired to not freak out? Totally just realized this. They're like Kobe, never flinch. haha yeah Tastosis are the best. If I were up there i'd just freeze and be shitty | ||
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On November 15 2020 20:06 razorsuKe wrote: they are really hitting it out of the park with these showerthoughts man, astronauts hard wired to not freak out? Totally just realized this. They're like Kobe, never flinch. Yeah I forgot how much I enjoy them casting together, especially when they have to fill time or describe unusual happenings | ||
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konadora
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we all lost | ||
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AttackZerg
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This is fucking hype. The technical shit is letting me brood long enough to be properly excited. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On November 15 2020 20:18 konadora wrote: save file cant be used so its a full restart gg Hmm, good for zero then | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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 2009-2010 NATE MSL coming out from this final | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 15 2020 20:18 konadora wrote: save file cant be used so its a full restart gg this is NATE 09 level stupid. soma won that. | ||
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Zergiica
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(i follow tasteless from wcg *singapore 2005. and artosis was a piece he needed) | ||
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konadora
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On November 15 2020 20:19 Sif_ wrote: was Soma really that ahead? BO win and scouting advantage | ||
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konadora
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soma’s advantage gone | ||
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razorsuKe
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The nat gas has the full 5000, so that's why queen would want to take it, prepping for a longer game. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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that's quite bonkers tbh | ||
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konadora
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he’s expanding | ||
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konadora
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soma got robbed | ||
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GG Soma. | ||
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Were the scourge hits that good? | ||
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konadora
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On November 15 2020 20:35 Sif_ wrote: Wow, he won with 0-0 Were the scourge hits that good? zero just held long enough to the point that when soma attacked, his second gas was already depleted. zero continued to hold and let the gas advantage roll | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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GGs! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8071 Posts
16th place ! | ||
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Anc13nt
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Anc13nt
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machinus
United States291 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:36 konadora wrote: zero just held long enough to the point that when soma attacked, his second gas was already depleted. zero continued to hold and let the gas advantage roll i see! thanks | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Flash might get hungry just to stop a Queen three-peat. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:36 konadora wrote: zero just held long enough to the point that when soma attacked, his second gas was already depleted. zero continued to hold and let the gas advantage roll Yea for sure. The drone kills in the main put him on a timer but soma simply didn't have the gas | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:39 AttackZerg wrote: And the best Zerg in the world is Queen. Undisputed two-time back to back champion of the world. Flash might get hungry just to stop a Queen three-peat. Yea, no chance Flash plays random next season | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Blind
United States2528 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:36 konadora wrote: zero just held long enough to the point that when soma attacked, his second gas was already depleted. zero continued to hold and let the gas advantage roll How much gas is on the extra geyser? I've been curious but can't find the info online. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:39 Blind wrote: How much gas is on the extra geyser? I've been curious but can't find the info online. I think 1k more | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:39 Blind wrote: How much gas is on the extra geyser? I've been curious but can't find the info online. i think it was like 1500 but not totally sure edit: nvm | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:39 Blind wrote: How much gas is on the extra geyser? I've been curious but can't find the info online. first geyser 4000, second geyser is 1000 | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
he is so consistent | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:36 konadora wrote: zero just held long enough to the point that when soma attacked, his second gas was already depleted. zero continued to hold and let the gas advantage roll I see that's interesting. Damn 0-0 upgrades for Zero :D I thought he was going to die | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:44 konadora wrote: "never expected ASL10 to actually happen but it did, and we finished it despite the (Covid-19) situation, and we saw very interesting things such as random and ZvZ final. hope we can continue ASL" oof, I know ASL much like any other tournament out there operates at a loss but, with an year like this, I really hope theres more next year. On November 15 2020 20:46 konadora wrote: well at least from the way they are speaking, ASL11 is more or less confirmed to happen oh good. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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zonkee
Germany46 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:46 konadora wrote: well at least from the way they are speaking, ASL11 is more or less confirmed to happen Yeah, sounded very much so! Any way to let the ASL organizers know that the English broadcast is appreciated? Is posting here enough? If so: Thanks a ton for the English stream and keep it up! I'm ready to watch another 20 ASLs | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/na4a876.png) Coincidence? I think not. Congratulations Queen, show it to the guys who were doubting you! + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Cres
United States227 Posts
His play looked impeccable to start but it seems like he still has some trouble if things don't go according to plan. Really impressed he was able to win the last game, hopefully these wins will give him the confidence to play without being impacted by his nerves or a live audience. | ||
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Zergxhx
China146 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/8HDXdIJ.png) from ygosu | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
all them were schooled by the end of the year. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4197 Posts
GGs | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:57 BLinD-RawR wrote: that video was from jan/feb all them were schooled by the end of the year. which makes me very satisfied :D | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
well not protoss... | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On November 15 2020 20:46 konadora wrote: well at least from the way they are speaking, ASL11 is more or less confirmed to happen Don't see why it wouldn't continue. Their viewership is better than ever. They may not be net positive on the tourney itself but the overall it brings to Afreeca through daily streaming is certainly there | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4197 Posts
On November 15 2020 21:55 Ziggy wrote: werent they planning on alternating between the ASL and the ASTL? That would be cool. ASTL1 was a big success I think. Was great to watch, but I hope we will get english commentary in Season 2. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On November 15 2020 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote: If only we can get a Terran and Protoss version of soma. well not protoss... why not protoss? | ||
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RKC
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
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lurkgoon
11 Posts
On November 16 2020 00:43 RKC wrote: What happened in the aborted last game? Did Soma had a BO advantage? Sucks to lose in such fashion Openers were the same - standard 9 pool 9 gas from Zero both games, overpool 8 gas from Soma both games. First game we had adjacent, vertical spawns and Soma sent his overlord toward Zero and Zero sent it horizontally, away from Soma. That would have been an advantage for Soma, especially on a map like Optimizer with more varied strategies (due to the extra gas). Tough break though Soma did get a build order advantage and got himself into a winnable game anyway. Zero's muta micro is just the best though. You can even tell when he streams; he just makes it look so effortless and it's a cut above even other top zergs. | ||
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asel
Germany1599 Posts
On November 15 2020 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote: If only we can get a Terran and Protoss version of soma. well not protoss... Snow? | ||
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oxKnu
1181 Posts
You must've missed the quarter-finals stage of this tournament.. | ||
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Lazyer
United States343 Posts
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Ideas
United States8107 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
snow was a pro. I mean new blood. fuck protoss | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On November 16 2020 15:40 BLinD-RawR wrote: fuck protoss 😭 | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
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m4ch1n1cd351r3
6 Posts
On November 17 2020 00:46 Barneyk wrote: Is there any news from Rain and Last regarding returning to BW? Rain appears to have ceased playing due to boredom. Last definitely stopped competing due to his wrist injuries. If Last ever feels well enough to compete again, I would not be surprised to see him do so as soon as possible. For Rain, though, I would not hold out hope. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On November 17 2020 05:12 m4ch1n1cd351r3 wrote: Rain appears to have ceased playing due to boredom. Last definitely stopped competing due to his wrist injuries. If Last ever feels well enough to compete again, I would not be surprised to see him do so as soon as possible. For Rain, though, I would not hold out hope. I think the question is related to recent stream appearances of both of them playing, just like Baby (TY from SC2). | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Five drones left on minerals: "I'll spend one drone to build a sunken colony in my main, let my natural die, and throw it all on one attack with +0/+0 mutalisks against +1/+1 mutalisks." Zero has nerves of steel. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
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Brainojack
Canada195 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Artas1984
Lithuania119 Posts
Does anybody know exactly what happened to Queen's drone line at 2:51:27: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qENyb8fkOY At 2:51:03 you can see Soma sneaking in 3 zerglings in Queen's main base, followed by Queen's 3 zerglings. The main was fully saturated at that point, but after some time we have got only two drones mining? What? Are you telling me that those 3 lings managed to slaughter every drone despite being deliberately in-pursuit by Queen's counter 3 lings? I am shocked! | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1011 Posts
On November 17 2020 14:29 Artas1984 wrote: ATTENTION! Does anybody know exactly what happened to Queen's drone line at 2:51:27: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qENyb8fkOY At 2:51:03 you can see Soma sneaking in 3 zerglings in Queen's main base, followed by Queen's 3 zerglings. The main was fully saturated at that point, but after some time we have got only two drones mining? What? Are you telling me that those 3 lings managed to slaughter every drone despite being deliberately in-pursuit by Queen's counter 3 lings? I am shocked! The AI can be pretty dumb so probably the 3 lings killed the 1 ling they were chasing and then stopped so the other 2 lings got free reign in the drone line and killed 2-3 drones until Queen noticed it. It was a cool series, not the best but the final game was truly epic. Now sad to wait for the next ASL :'( | ||
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
Hope we get more tastosis ASL. | ||
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GameLocalizer
9 Posts
On November 17 2020 17:04 Sabu113 wrote: Why are all the youtube comments so scary Hope we get more tastosis ASL.wow you're right, they must be close to the chopping block, or in negotiations or something i can kinda see why like.. ASL ends up getting almost no English traffic to their platform & it's not like they sell ads globally anyway.. and now there's no blizzard bucks.. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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oxKnu
1181 Posts
On November 17 2020 17:04 Sabu113 wrote: anyway.. and now there's no blizzard bucks.. When did Blizzard invest money in Broodwar? Aside from the work to put out Remastered have they done anything except a couple of showmatches at BlizzCon? All they did was dump bucket loads of money onto SC2 for the past decade to cut that game out too in order to invest more resources in e-sport leagues for 11 y olds. | ||
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Piste
6177 Posts
edit: and also they asked people to let afreeca know that there are people who enjoy english cast | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On November 17 2020 20:23 oxKnu wrote: When did Blizzard invest money in Broodwar? Aside from the work to put out Remastered have they done anything except a couple of showmatches at BlizzCon? All they did was dump bucket loads of money onto SC2 for the past decade to cut that game out too in order to invest more resources in e-sport leagues for 11 y olds. They gave a lot of money to ZZZero for BSL. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1689 Posts
On November 17 2020 22:36 Piste wrote: Tastosis told during the finals that it will most likely to be the last professional level broodwar cast for them _this year_ which propably got few ppl concerned. edit: and also they asked people to let afreeca know that there are people who enjoy english cast It's because Tastosis demand a shit ton of money to cast | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On November 17 2020 22:36 Piste wrote: Tastosis told during the finals that it will most likely to be the last professional level broodwar cast for them _this year_ which propably got few ppl concerned. edit: and also they asked people to let afreeca know that there are people who enjoy english cast Yeah I think Tastosis was just mentioning it's the last BW cast for the year which is quite obvious as there is always a 3-5month break between ASL. I wouldn't be too worried as it would be an extremely random time to drop the english cast. Also is it me or is this season alot higher in terms of viewers watching the english cast? Also it might be a request to the viewers to nudge Afreeca to have an english cast for the next ASTL? | ||
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Ideas
United States8107 Posts
On November 17 2020 20:23 oxKnu wrote: When did Blizzard invest money in Broodwar? Aside from the work to put out Remastered have they done anything except a couple of showmatches at BlizzCon? All they did was dump bucket loads of money onto SC2 for the past decade to cut that game out too in order to invest more resources in e-sport leagues for 11 y olds. Blizzard was the main organizer of the KSL. They definitely didn't do anything in the pre-Remastered era and definitely pushed KESPA to adopt SC2 from BW, but the KSL was pretty great. | ||
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End1esss
12 Posts
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Piste
6177 Posts
On November 18 2020 12:15 Dante08 wrote: Yeah I think Tastosis was just mentioning it's the last BW cast for the year which is quite obvious as there is always a 3-5month break between ASL. I wouldn't be too worried as it would be an extremely random time to drop the english cast. Also is it me or is this season alot higher in terms of viewers watching the english cast? Also it might be a request to the viewers to nudge Afreeca to have an english cast for the next ASTL? Yes english cast for ASTL pls! They've had always less well knows players on it so english cast could make it more interesting for foreign audience. Have they announced ASTL already? I usually use the english youtube stream and I feel like at least there have been more viewers as the chat has moved faster than before. No idea about the numbers tho. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
I was curious if Queen was better with 3 or more control groups. I have come away thinking Soma is equal or great then Queen at 1 control group of muta or less. The second it scales, Queen stays fluid and every other player on earth, starts to have unit dis-unison. Queen is reaching Flash levels of discrepancy between himself and the other members of his race. The results read close, but I don't think it was as close as it seems, Queen needs to leave the streamer builds at home, he almost tilted himself off a cliff. -------------------------------------------------------- About the other, last page topics Can we lobby for Nyoken and Gypsy to cast KCM or ultimate-whatever-the-bo9's are called. The more of the amazing korean content we share with the world, the better our shot at keeping things going or growing. Blizzard threatened to destroy everything in bw unless they got to own it, to own something they didn't grow and never had plans to maintain. Typical corporate colonialism. I wish the Korean courts could have protected the scene from them but alas, they had their way and here we are - always one Sunday away from them deciding that any of our streamers, organizers or tournaments owe them any fee they can make up to continue. Hell, at any notice they could sever all ties with tl.net and sue them for any reason at all. Blizzard is a lion in a life-raft. Without blizzard we survived a giant match-fixing scandal, with blizzard involved, the same event destroyed the entire eco-system. Really hope we can expand the language menu for coverage of Korean events. I don't mind watching in korean, but it leaves so many potential viewers on the table. KSL was great. Can't deny that. It was really fucking dope. | ||
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oxKnu
1181 Posts
A lot of money? Unless we're missing something. A couple of thousand dollars worth of battle.net balance (whatever that is) is hardly any support imo. It would be so easy for them to fully sponsor a string of tournaments for this game since even cheap prizes would garner some additional interest. However I would say that the only thing they've stayed consistent with is how they've marginalized this game since Remastered launch. Very poor production support, hardly any feature development, minimal e-sports commitment, diverting any kind of advertisement to SC2. As a result, both BW and SC2 will die off in 2-3 years, unless an external party commits a lot of money into SC2 (which I seriously doubt). On November 18 2020 12:48 Ideas wrote: Blizzard was the main organizer of the KSL. They definitely didn't do anything in the pre-Remastered era and definitely pushed KESPA to adopt SC2 from BW, but the KSL was pretty great. I was under the impression that KSL was a Blizzard Korea thing (apparently that's different from the main company). | ||
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