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BLinD-RawR
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Zero isn't my zerg hero of this age, the one zerg I feel can peak beyond anyone except Flash is Soulkey. Snow is soo good that I imagine he will win and qualify. The world is cray-zay these days so I don't feel comfortable that any of my favorites will win. Go Soulkey! Go Snow! | ||
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QOGQOG
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TornadoSteve
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
I'll also include some misc. spon stats that may or may not be at all relevant to this group; this is all based on the last 3 months (IE since June 2020). Soulkey is ranked 4th overall, he has, rather surprisingly, a winning record against all top terrans: 3-0 Flash, 12-11 Light, 20-18 Rush, 13-9 Sorry, 12-5 Sharp, 13-4 JyJ) and a 3-1 record vs Ssak. Zvp-wise (for a potential match against Snow) he looks a little less impressive with a 3-3 record against Bisu, 9-10 vs Snow and 9-11 against Best. Lastly he doesn't have a lot of zvz matches, and the ones he has are mostly against lower rated players outside of being 9-9 against Zero, 0-2 against Larva, 4-2 vs Soma and 7-6 vs hero. He has no games against Yoon. Snow is ranked 6th overall, and looking at his pvz I cannot help but feel that the most remarkable thing appears to be that he performs well against the absolute top, but then there is a decline in his performance against what I consider the 2nd tier of zerg players; 10-9 against Soulkey as mentioned, 15-17 vs Zero, 17-15 vs Larva. Those are all fairly close to 50-50, which is pretty much the best you can hope for; however he is 15-34 against Soma and 27-43 against hero. He is 3-0 against Yoon. His PvT is the exact opposite of his PvZ, as he is 5-11 vs Flash and 12-15 vs Light. For the next tier, he is 23-19 vs Rush, 41-27 vs Sorry, 19-16 vs Sharp and lastly 6-0 against Ssak. Ssak is overall ranked 18th, he is fairly close to 50% win rate in all of his matchups and while I do think his tvz is slightly better, I don't think it's by a large margin. He is just not a solid top player anymore, whereas he used to be good enough to consistently get to the top 8 of big tournaments; 1-3 vs SK, 3-6 vs Zero, 6-7 vs Larva, 26-33 vs Soma, 34-43 vs Hero. His TvP records are not too dissimilar; 8-10 vs Bisu, 0-6 vs Snow, 2-6 vs Best, 8-8 vs Stork, 4-6 vs Mini, 4-4 vs Free, 7-5 vs Shuttle. He has no games against Yoon. Lastly, Yoon is overall ranked 32nd, He doesn't have that many spon games, which is presumably because he is still rather unknown and as such probably doesn't get a lot of viewers / people wanting to sponsor showmatches. The only familiar names on his list in ZvP are Snow (0-3) and Shuttle (0-2). For ZvT they are Rush (1-1) and Sharp (3-8). The 3 highest rated zergs on his zvz list are Killer (1-0), Beast (1-2) and Hyuk (1-1). Not a lot to see here honestly, he has so few games and overall it is just the lower end of progamers and top amateurs. Map-wise the first two games are on Ringing Bloom, a map that still has not been super popular in spon games despite being in the ASL. With only 419 games played, TvZ is at 57.4% and PvZ is at 54.7%. A rare sight to have a map where Z is losing both matchups, but the sample size is tiny, and the map has already had some updates since it was first posted as an ASL map. The next two matches will be played on Eclipse, which is a lot more popular in spon games with an overall sample size of 2370. TvP is at 49.9% (217-218 games, wow). TvZ is at 53.6% and PvZ is at 45%. The final game is played on Polypoid, which is actually the most played spon map in the last 3 months, sample size of 3162. TvP 55.7%, TvZ 57.2% and PvZ at 45.5%. | ||
thedeadhaji
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psyCrowe
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TornadoSteve
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whaski
Finland576 Posts
On September 12 2020 17:59 TornadoSteve wrote: Yeah nice read Avi, except for the ssak best match up is tvz http://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2017-05&month2=2020-09&map_id=0&bj_id=28 Ssucks best matchup both online and offline is by far tvp. Tvz is by far his worst matchup both online and offline (if you go + Show Spoiler + 2-7 Then again, Soulkey is prone to underperform and Snow could be vulnerable against Ssacks harassive highrisk tvp. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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BLinD-RawR
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whaski
Finland576 Posts
On September 12 2020 18:11 TornadoSteve wrote: Looks like ssak is massively under rated in here._. Ssak was never impressive online. His proves in tvp and tvt made him dangerious in offline tournaments where he had great results against top players (for example Last and Snow). Now Ssak was the original 1-1-1 master, but nowdays struggles a lot because his trademark has been figured out. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
He is like all Terrans. A damn threat. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4165 Posts
hope for some good games | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49884 Posts
![[image loading]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618460623478456320/754279877389320219/unknown.png) Looks like tomorrow is Group E not C | ||
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prosatan
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prosatan
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NoS-Craig
Australia3093 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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Arvendilin
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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sixfour
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BLinD-RawR
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NoS-Craig
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
On September 12 2020 19:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Yoon put up a lot better fight than I expected. You saw Yoon putting up a fight?  | ||
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WTCO
United States646 Posts
I mean he didn't insta-die to the DTs  | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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sixfour
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maybenexttime
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Dangermousecatdog
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whaski
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NoS-Craig
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Dangermousecatdog
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whaski
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BLinD-RawR
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sixfour
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On September 12 2020 19:50 maybenexttime wrote: How do zergs get creep to make those walls? Think they said SK put a sunken under that neutral building | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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maybenexttime
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Dangermousecatdog
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Argonauta
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VioleTAK
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prosatan
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prosatan
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I trust more in Snow vs Ssak or Yoon | ||
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sixfour
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VioleTAK
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
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Congrats Soulkey ! Snow will qualify second, no problem ! | ||
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
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Zaibakk
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alypse
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NoS-Craig
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Snow has a sick aggro midgame. So much pressure. | ||
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VioleTAK
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Soulkey's attacks the last 10 minutes were unbelieveable. And earlier Snow in his endless push at the center against an ocean of lurkers was a beauty to watch, stuborn as hell. | ||
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VioleTAK
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elpolloloco31
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elpolloloco31
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
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psyCrowe
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
Back and forth for 20 straight minutes or so! | ||
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VioleTAK
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Please Snow, take this time to relax before the final game, make out of this group, we need you in the later stages for quality such as what you gave us. | ||
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whaski
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NoS-Craig
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prosatan
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he is about to lose this game | ||
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VioleTAK
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Ziggy
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prosatan
Romania7761 Posts
gg | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Dangermousecatdog
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prosatan
Romania7761 Posts
At least, yoon managed to win a game in this group. I don't think he can defeat Snow tho.... | ||
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whaski
Finland576 Posts
On September 12 2020 21:07 prosatan wrote: poor decision making from Sska... he is about to lose this game Haha his tvz is drunken even when sober | ||
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prosatan
Romania7761 Posts
Ha, I heard he likes to drink when he plays | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 12 2020 21:11 prosatan wrote: Ha, I heard he likes to drink when he plays quite a lot of them do. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Could be me but it just seemed especially slow. | ||
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whaski
Finland576 Posts
On September 12 2020 21:16 AttackZerg wrote: I don't understand why everything seemed slow in his mech build. Could be me but it just seemed especially slow. He was going 111 but wall lieked, lost svcs, and forced only 1 sunken. | ||
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prosatan
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prosatan
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Arvendilin
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whaski
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prosatan
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VioleTAK
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prosatan
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prosatan
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VioleTAK
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prosatan
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whaski
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VioleTAK
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Arvendilin
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Arvendilin
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Nice effort from Yoon tho, looking forward to what kinda games hell do in the future | ||
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VioleTAK
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Sorusaba
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sixfour
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whaski
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prosatan
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Good work Soulkey and Snow ! Easy prediction for my LB  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Dangermousecatdog
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Anc13nt
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VioleTAK
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The ones we needed to move on for a great continuation have gone through. Let the incredible game of SK vs Snow lead the way of this entire tournament. | ||
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Zaibakk
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prosatan
Romania7761 Posts
On September 12 2020 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote: lot of respect for Yoon, showed good games. Yesss! I think he had a much better chance against SK | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3093 Posts
More ASL tomorrow I'm pumped. Hoping to see Shuttle advance to the next round. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On September 12 2020 21:32 VioleTAK wrote: Yoon got a near perfect beginning, but you can see the difference in skill slowly chipping away. Snow needs to bring this home Yoon didnt play perfectly in the beginning. He started 6 lings as soon as spawning pool finishes and threw 6 lings to get a lucky chance+no lair tech hydra pressure failed. He did catch up the gameflow really well, but no lurker playstyle was a mistake imo. Yoon really loves using mutalisk, but i guess it is not good in zvp. Hoping yoon gained some great experience even though he couldnt make into top16 and become stronger for next season | ||
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Soulforged
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RowdierBob
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Wonk
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Yoon also played really well for his debut, his sniping snow's templars was solid as anything, but I guess experience shines through | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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ggsimida
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On September 12 2020 22:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I felt like a lot of people underestimated Yoon somewhat. From the first game, it seems he has the potential for an upset, but others seemed to view that game as if he was onesidedly overmatched. Its like they didn't watch the same game I did. confirmation bias since its unimaginable to think that an amateur can even somewhat match the supposed best protoss player atm. get so excited beating up an amateur, what hope would he have against the likes of ZerO and Light lol. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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TaardadAiel
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whaski
Finland576 Posts
On September 12 2020 22:46 ggsimida wrote: confirmation bias since its unimaginable to think that an amateur can even somewhat match the supposed best protoss player atm. get so excited beating up an amateur, what hope would he have against the likes of ZerO and Light lol. Everyone hopes that more new blood would rise up, and Yoon did not get rolled without a win. First game was ugly, last showed promise. Nobody belives Snow or Soulkey would lose at this point but still victory over expro (even if its Sucksack lol) is good. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
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FlaShFTW
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TT1
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Djabanete
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unit
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Depending how long Snow was afk on that, I think thats game even without the reavers. I think his entire lategame sense was thrown off for that. 3 gas and he still banked 1k+ gas a few times. 8-10 templar would have changed any battle or another 6-10 reavers. Hell dweb could have prevented a few of Soulkeys swarm pushes. What a game. Still pumped a day later. Wonderful game. I | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Miragee
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On September 12 2020 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote: lot of respect for Yoon, showed good games. Agreed. I mean his group was pretty stacked and he got very close to advancing to the Ro16. Good to see Soulkey and Snow being on point though. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway643 Posts
Thx for this Afreeca!!! | ||
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