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Ziggy
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TornadoSteve
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ggsimida
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Ideas
United States8107 Posts
Then guessing ZerO > Rain - ZerO is looking so so so strong in ZvP, and Rain has strong standard PvZ but I just don't see him overtaking zero in marcro games unless he really mixes up his style and plays aggressively and throws ZerO off his game. Both matches should be a blast  | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4197 Posts
every final combination sounds interesting, but I think I would like to see Rain vs Light the most. so.. go, go Rain and Light! | ||
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kaspa84
Brazil169 Posts
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
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Ideas
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
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bd.Makin
Chile104 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Rain 4-2 ZerO Biased bangwagoning Rain fan[, so always gonna predict he wins. Light 4-1(4-2/4-3) Soma I think experience will get Light the win. Soma winning would be cool though. Finals: Rain 4-2 Light/Soma I don't think either of Light/Soma will beat Rain/ZerO anyways and I'm rooting for Rain so idrc who wins between the two of them. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Rain has not only improved his PvZ, he has improved his whole game. In fact, he is probably the guy who improved the most at the top level since the last year or so. His army movements is so scary, I wouldnt be surprised to see ZerO collapsing but once again, i might be biased. ; ) | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Timebon3s
Norway699 Posts
We need shuttle speed, reavers and less zealot/dragoon. This is also probably why I suck at this game, but its so sad to see protoss keep getting owned by Zerg, even though clearly playing a better game. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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AzAlexZ
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
On November 21 2019 04:59 TaardadAiel wrote: Light Vs Soma has potential to be an amazing TvZ. One or both can choke, though. I hope they don't. soma showed incredible potential in the last 2 series.. he could be the next upcoming zerg star player | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
On November 21 2019 13:22 konadora wrote: soma showed incredible potential in the last 2 series.. he could be the next upcoming zerg star player definitely one to look out for in 2020 especially if his in this KSL shows more results | ||
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Belladona
Chile127 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On November 21 2019 15:02 Belladona wrote: Hello everyone : ) Stream link please! 17:00KST 2 more hours. | ||
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Cush
United States646 Posts
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
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Xiberia
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Oh well | ||
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derty555
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GGs | ||
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xLethargicax
United States469 Posts
whys it starting so late | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
Well since I've now been reminded it's a bo 7 I'll go with 4:2 since 3:1 seems pretty unlikely;) Light vs Soma is tricky since I haven't seen much of Soma's ZvT but I'm gonna go Light 4:3 soma. | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
also its bo7 btw | ||
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mSj_Artanis
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
No idea on Soma Light. Best result for games might be Light vs Zero Finals. Light V Rain would be a murder. Also shoutout to the Mini Zero series. Mini has really turned it around in 2019. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
Predicting Rain and Soma to advance to the finals. | ||
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ggsimida
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
Surprised he couldnt just send those lings into Rain's base. Ok thought zerO would do more. If only Zero had somehow trapped those 5 zealots. Mrn. Zero looking pretty dead | ||
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Sirris
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
Rain looks beastly | ||
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Sirris
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Sirris
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
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GTR
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
On November 21 2019 18:25 GTR wrote: can someone explain why they're playing on bnet instead of on lan? to show the sc2 fam u dont need lan to have fun, obviously! | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Edit: Silliness averted | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Sirris
681 Posts
On November 21 2019 18:25 GTR wrote: can someone explain why they're playing on bnet instead of on lan? Wow really? They're playing online? That would be pretty crazy. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
At least we'll get one TvZ. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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konadora
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4197 Posts
I hope for Rain vs Soma now, because it looks like Soma's ZvP is his best mu and he will have much bigger chances vs Rain than Light, I think.. | ||
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konadora
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TornadoSteve
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ggsimida
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Squall_es
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konadora
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konadora
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konadora
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konadora
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konadora
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konadora
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nojok
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konadora
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and GG LOL | ||
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ggsimida
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konadora
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TornadoSteve
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maybenexttime
Poland5563 Posts
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Ej_
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
light is going to be a lot of trouble... | ||
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konadora
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
holy shit who is this madlad | ||
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TornadoSteve
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konadora
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konadora
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nojok
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konadora
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konadora
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light finally warmed up | ||
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konadora
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konadora
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ggsimida
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ggsimida
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konadora
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
looks almsot over for soma after that insane beginning.. | ||
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konadora
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Pangpootata
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On November 21 2019 20:55 konadora wrote: SOMA IS SO DAMN GOOD AT THROWING | ||
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konadora
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konadora
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konadora
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konadora
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just had to kill those vessels :/ | ||
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nojok
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Ej_
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On November 21 2019 21:09 konadora wrote: soma... you destroyed the main's CC and still lost, 3 base vs 1 base just had to kill those vessels :/ Just win the ZvT lol how hard can it be dude | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Every single zerg has done it. Every level. Soma is way too good to have lost from there. That definitely counts as a choke. That may have ruined his nerves for the first of the match (hope not). | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
there's a fine point between winning with mutas and losing with them, and soma was too late to focus on his economy and transit to lurkers and/or hive tech. he went too all-in on mutas and transitioned too late | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On November 21 2019 21:12 konadora wrote: there's a fine point between winning with mutas and losing with them, and soma was too late to focus on his economy and transit to lurkers and/or hive tech. he went too all-in on mutas and transitioned too late when u all-in u shld mean allin. make ONLY mutas then amove into that tiny group of marines and turrets. not waste scourges to snipe a CC and have no units to deal then try to go back to standard | ||
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ggsimida
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Its not even as if Light is actually doing anything good at this point | ||
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Xiberia
Sweden634 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
It is such a horrible feeling to have "won" got 3 bases and failed to convert. Light had to have been considered a big favorite going in. I hope Soma can rally. We really, really need a new top zerg. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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ggsimida
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Greg_J
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
On November 21 2019 21:37 Greg_J wrote: This tournement has been so rushed and had so many games. I haven't commented at all so far because I have always been behind trying to catch up and watch the games. But I gave up tonight and have been watching the round of 8 in the advert breaks of the semi finals. It's just too much. Or I'm too old and don't have enough time for this any more. yeah they compacted everything into a single day or two.. madness | ||
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konadora
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
LIGHT GOES TO HIS FIRST EVER GRAND FINALS | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
although the finals will be really tough for him. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
On November 21 2019 21:46 BLinD-RawR wrote: good stuff from light although the finals will be really tough for him. given his tvp record... and rain's absolute dominance right now... yeah i foresee a 4-0 or 4-1 in favor of rain | ||
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Ej_
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ggsimida
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konadora
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konadora
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konadora
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 21 2019 21:48 konadora wrote: given his tvp record... and rain's absolute dominance right now... yeah i foresee a 4-0 or 4-1 in favor of rain Hm, not really if Light doesn't choke. Sponmatches aren't offline games, that's sure, but Light has improved tremendously and Rain's PvT is very good but not otherwordly. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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konadora
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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TornadoSteve
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Then, he plays PvT and suicide everything hes got no matter what, no matter when, no matter where (yet he's still winning more often than not, though). | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
also he says he uses his brother's account to practice because he doesnt like using his account, but somehow blizzard banned it?? LOL he's appealing on camera to blizzard to unban the account LMAO | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
and more clips + Show Spoiler + KSL Beyblade babality KSL best cheer sign KSL Tasteless 6th sense i was dumb / dropbears KSL signs https://clips.twitch.tv/AssiduousDifferentTaroAsianGlow KSL zero fighting cheer australia KSL kr sign KSL judo flipped KSL kr sign art KSL kr sign | ||
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Broodwar4lyf
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
On November 21 2019 19:43 Squall_es wrote: I believe this match was in Zero's hands but he definetly understimated Rain's PvZ. He just overpooled every game and repeated the same 5 muta+scourge into 6 hatch Hydras every game believing that would be enough. Rain tho studied Zero's game and knew how to counter it, knowing its weak points and being patient enough to get enough mass of goon templar to take a third base and gain the control of games. Had Zero added more variety (which he is capable to) into the games of today match would have been closer. I think zero just choked, he played absolutely mediocre, even by game 5 he was still nervous it seems, losing 4 drones to a dt having hydras right there beside it, and then trying to finish the game off with pure hydra vs a protoss that has mass templars and is on the defensive. I mean, just expand and outmacro him? Rain had only 1 mining base and few units at that point and still won wtf. | ||
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Squall_es
Spain16 Posts
On November 21 2019 22:35 LG)Sabbath wrote: I think zero just choked, he played absolutely mediocre, even by game 5 he was still nervous it seems, losing 4 drones to a dt having hydras right there beside it, and then trying to finish the game off with pure hydra vs a protoss that has mass templars and is on the defensive. I mean, just expand and outmacro him? Rain had only 1 mining base and few units at that point and still won wtf. It seemed the same to me that Zero didn't play close to his best. Especially Circuit Breakers game comes to mind, where he squandered a substantial lead. But I will give the credit to Rain making Zero seem mediocre today. Zero's strategy mainly consist in engaging battles vs. Protoss main army by denying the 3rd expansion, or just in the middle of the map if P is aggresive enough and because of his brilliant control he will normally take the lead in games at this stage and just outpower the opponent. This has been working against the ones like Bisu, Best or Mini who are the current best at PvZ but Rain is very clever and today instead engaging in battles with the main armies he tried to avoid them by sending small groups of Zealots around the map, sending some dt's and threatening with the shuttle distracting Zero from his goal of denying 3rd and focus on dividing units to defend different spots while allowing Rain at the same time to put his main army in better positions to trade more effectively. Zero didn't adapt well to this today and instead just taking a more macro approach in the mid game he just tried to hard and took too many bad engages with his hydras. | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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jomjom
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Rains pvz is just beautiful to watch, and I enjoyed some of Light's comebacks too | ||
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Ideas
United States8107 Posts
Glad light finally made to a finals after 13 years of being a pro. Hopefully he puts up a good fight vs rain. Soma definitely seems to have gotten tilted also losing that CB game. He's definitely grown a ton this year though, look forward to seeing him win a tournament next year Also no zergs in a final all year...cool... :\ | ||
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RAPiDCasting
Korea (South)594 Posts
This was also my last StarCraft broadcast of the year but hopefully the finals delivers too! | ||
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oshibori_probe
United States2933 Posts
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TornadoSteve
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6595 Posts
On November 22 2019 14:53 RAPiDCasting wrote: Rain is pretty good at StarCraft. Can't help but wish Soma had been able to Royal Road his first KSL. This was also my last StarCraft broadcast of the year but hopefully the finals delivers too!  | ||
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TornadoSteve
1045 Posts
On November 22 2019 06:27 BigBalls wrote: Zero has such incredible micro/macro, but it was disappointing that he was never able to get to tier 3 tech. I didn't read through any of the 7 pages of this thread, just watched the match and popping in to post, but do you guys think it was a conscious decision to stay on hydra/lurker/muta or did he get somewhat forced into it trying to keep up with Rain's pressure/macro? Very interesting point. I believe the last time i saw a fast hive in ZvP on stage, was in KSL 3 RO8 SK vs SnOW on Fighting Spirit, and i liked the build a lot. I would also like to have opinions on good ZvPers about this, and i wonder if a future zvp meta could involve a priority on tier 3 over 3rd or at least 4th bases, as we can see in ZvT. | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
Soma vs Light game 2 was so strange. Soma was so much ahead, why didnt he just take bottom right or natural. Light had Wraiths, of course he was going to scout that base. After that it was normal amateur against ex-pro with all goofines like running 4 ultras or mutas into terran main. I honestly am quite disappointed how series spiralled into last game where Light just stomped. Edit, Light is watching the replay, in game 3 Soma rammed 12 scourges into Lights CC. Thats why it was destroyed. | ||
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Deleted User 513418
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
Hopeful for a close series in the finals. Then again it's Rain. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
Great job adapting his game plan to Zero's style. That was a masterclass PvZ with the clarification that Zero played below par. Losing a bunch of drones to a seen DT is uncharacteristic, for example. Light vs Soma wasn't bad, tbh. Soma just got countered strategically and fell apart in my opinion. The mad success of game 1 was due to a bad moveout by Light, which is not that uncommon with his play, and on CB he engaged really poorly with his big muta flock near the 9 o'clock. Light weathered some storms. Rain is probably going to beat him up pretty badly, though. I don't think Light can go toe to toe with mischief of such high caliber. Anyway, I much prefer Rain to take a title like that and not after seven hundred mirrors where he toys with people like Snow. | ||
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arbiter_md
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
Blaring should have been in the finals but threw it away. Light is gonna get destroyed | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
On November 21 2019 21:59 TornadoSteve wrote: Its so weird how Rain is careful and wise with his army movements in PvZ and PvP. Then, he plays PvT and suicide everything hes got no matter what, no matter when, no matter where (yet he's still winning more often than not, though). Yes lol, absolutely this. I'm actually hoping his PvT gets exposed by Light, but Rain macro alone makes for a terrifying opponent. | ||
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asel
Germany1599 Posts
On November 22 2019 14:53 RAPiDCasting wrote: Rain is pretty good at StarCraft. Can't help but wish Soma had been able to Royal Road his first KSL. This was also my last StarCraft broadcast of the year but hopefully the finals delivers too! Thank you so much for your great casts! | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On November 23 2019 10:01 arbiter_md wrote: What I like about this finals is that whoever wins the title, will have done so after winning strong opponents in all 3 match ups. Really good point although the matchup seems very tilted in this case. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2038 Posts
On November 25 2019 18:14 Turbovolver wrote: Yes lol, absolutely this. I'm actually hoping his PvT gets exposed by Light, but Rain macro alone makes for a terrifying opponent. The reason is in PvT protoss has a superior economy and his army value starts depreciating as soon as terran approaches 200/200 with 3-3 upgrades. It is better to have some unfavorable fights but still trade rather than being careful and wait for the most unfavourable fight when terrans defense is set across all bases (turrets/mines) and he has 24tanks with 3-3 upgrades. | ||
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Jaeyun
United States202 Posts
On November 27 2019 20:48 kogeT wrote: The reason is in PvT protoss has a superior economy and his army value starts depreciating as soon as terran approaches 200/200 with 3-3 upgrades. It is better to have some unfavorable fights but still trade rather than being careful and wait for the most unfavourable fight when terrans defense is set across all bases (turrets/mines) and he has 24tanks with 3-3 upgrades. Yup. Rain's army control and decision making is strong in all matchups. I'm not sure where the notion that his PvT control is bad is coming from. In general you need to assess the decision of the attack before the actual attack happens, not after you see it fail. Just because an attack failed doesn't mean it was an incorrect decision. Someone like Rain makes very thin calculated attacks where he might assess he's the 55-60% favorite going in, and it's not surprising he'll lose the battle 40-45% of the time. It's not suicide, it's calculated. It just happens to not work out sometimes because it's hard to predict how an engagement will go with all those mines and tank splash. It is correct to say that Rain likes to keep T's tank count low and is very active in the mid to late game, which can look chaotic and suicidal if it's not working out. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
I still remember when Light lost that MSL semi-final 3-2 to Jaedong. It was great for BW (another Flash vs Jaedong final), but so rough for Light. That was almost ten years ago, incredible. Who’s the best player to never make a final (including the ASL/KSL era) now? It’s been Light forever, arguably since the Kespa era ended (and definitely after Sea made an ASL final). | ||
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