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Last Edited: 2019-11-06 13:31:25
November 06 2019 12:37 GMT
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
November 06 2019 12:54 GMT
#2
snow gonna destroy this group
POGGERS
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
November 06 2019 13:16 GMT
#3
soma 1st snow 2nd u heard it here first
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
November 06 2019 17:59 GMT
#4
If Sorry advances from this group we've fundamentally misunderstood the universe. The other three should give some good games. Probably Snow/Soma unless Sharp has really worked on his TvZ.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8143 Posts
November 06 2019 19:59 GMT
#5
I think snow is definitely making it out, but it's honestly a tossup between the other 3 (although I expect sharp to crush sorry).
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
November 06 2019 22:22 GMT
#6
don't sleep on korean seth macfarlane i mean sharp
get rich or die mining
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RAPiDCasting
Profile Joined July 2009
Korea (South)594 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-06 22:27:33
November 06 2019 22:26 GMT
#7
Predictions:

Arrows are on a scale from < to <<< indicating the dominance of a victory

Sharp < Snow
Sorry << Soma
Soma > Snow
Sharp >>> Sorry
The faster caster. @RAPiDCasting
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
November 06 2019 22:28 GMT
#8
On November 07 2019 07:26 RAPiDCasting wrote:
Predictions:

Arrows are on a scale from < to <<< indicating the dominance of a victory

Sharp < Snow
Sorry << Soma
Soma > Snow
Sharp >>> Sorry

i agree with this. as much as i'd like to see snow get through. i think sharp will get out and snow will not
get rich or die mining
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
November 06 2019 23:32 GMT
#9
On November 07 2019 07:26 RAPiDCasting wrote:
Predictions:

Arrows are on a scale from < to <<< indicating the dominance of a victory

Sharp < Snow
Sorry << Soma
Soma > Snow
Sharp >>> Sorry


Wait wut? There will no be fifth match?
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
November 06 2019 23:50 GMT
#10
On November 07 2019 08:32 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2019 07:26 RAPiDCasting wrote:
Predictions:

Arrows are on a scale from < to <<< indicating the dominance of a victory

Sharp < Snow
Sorry << Soma
Soma > Snow
Sharp >>> Sorry


Wait wut? There will no be fifth match?

5th match is next week
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
November 07 2019 00:09 GMT
#11
SORRY FIGHTING!
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
November 07 2019 01:44 GMT
#12
It looks like a good group. I think Snow would be the favourite to advance first from here. Sharp and Soma have shown they can beat anyone when at their best so one of them might advance first. I still got money on Snow.
Artosis loves Starcraft
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
November 07 2019 02:09 GMT
#13
The career and presence, Snow and Sharp will advance. However, Soma and Sorry are also having some good potentials to take them down. IMO, Snow most likely will advance, and if Sorry or Soma is on a good condition to take down Sharp tonight, he will advance.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13293 Posts
November 07 2019 02:59 GMT
#14
I’m picking Sharp and Soma. But hoping Snow pulls through.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
tommya
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada52 Posts
November 07 2019 03:42 GMT
#15
whos going to cast the games tonight?
SWED
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
November 07 2019 04:09 GMT
#16
Artosis will be there. He said on the pylon he had to head off to the studio in about 15 minutes. So he will be there. I'm guessing Tasteless will be there to unless he's resting.
Artosis loves Starcraft
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 04:23:59
November 07 2019 04:21 GMT
#17
I don't like Sharp's TvZ, imo he can't bio/defend mutas (which is what Soma excels at). I'll go with Snow and Soma. Sharp's mech/vulture harass is godly but he's going up against Snow.
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1092 Posts
November 07 2019 05:20 GMT
#18
Sharp and SnOw both playing super solid on stage,
Big factor is how well soma and sorry are going to
handle the stress today
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria487 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 06:08:24
November 07 2019 06:06 GMT
#19
Hyyyype! Let's go Snow <3

PS i'm at work, but i don't think i'll be working today
music is the best thing in the world
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51499 Posts
November 07 2019 06:46 GMT
#20
Give me that reaver hat now
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1092 Posts
November 07 2019 07:00 GMT
#21
SnOw should be recognized by everyone as the best microer of all time. not the best protoss, not the best of his time, not the best after flash, just... the best. of all time.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1092 Posts
November 07 2019 07:46 GMT
#22
On November 07 2019 02:59 QOGQOG wrote:
If Sorry advances from this group we've fundamentally misunderstood the universe. The other three should give some good games. Probably Snow/Soma unless Sharp has really worked on his TvZ.


Looks like you have no idea what you are talking about. Not even sure that sOrry is the underdog.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
November 07 2019 07:57 GMT
#23
Sorry is pretty impressive vs Zerg online. TvT is another matter.
WriterReV hwaiting!
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
November 07 2019 08:10 GMT
#24
nice, i only missed the opening match today

progress!
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3819 Posts
November 07 2019 08:33 GMT
#25
Oof Soma's mutas are just looking awful
: o )
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 08:39:46
November 07 2019 08:38 GMT
#26
On November 07 2019 17:33 ShloobeR wrote:
Oof Soma's mutas are just looking awful


sorry eschew the typical ladder terran that upon seeing 2 hatch muta just sit all their marines back in their base for god knows what.
being aggressive and taking the fight to the zerg push them out of their comfort zone and forces more errors out of muta micro. a trait i see in many strong tvz bio players like PianO and now sorry
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1092 Posts
November 07 2019 09:02 GMT
#27
On November 07 2019 17:38 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2019 17:33 ShloobeR wrote:
Oof Soma's mutas are just looking awful


sorry eschew the typical ladder terran that upon seeing 2 hatch muta just sit all their marines back in their base for god knows what.
being aggressive and taking the fight to the zerg push them out of their comfort zone and forces more errors out of muta micro. a trait i see in many strong tvz bio players like PianO and now sorry


couldnt agree more
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
November 07 2019 09:13 GMT
#28
space cows yay
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 07 2019 09:37 GMT
#29
Soma prevailed
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
November 07 2019 09:39 GMT
#30
yeah looking forward to soma v snow, soma looks good to make it out first
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
November 07 2019 09:42 GMT
#31
That was one good series
WriterReV hwaiting!
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3819 Posts
November 07 2019 09:56 GMT
#32
Dang good stuff by Soma, he really shook it off after the slow start.
: o )
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
November 07 2019 10:08 GMT
#33
Sharp should win this TvT series. I've liked his TvT in the past. He;s played from behind in a few of them, but he has managed to come back and win some of them. I think this will be a fun series.
Artosis loves Starcraft
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 10:24:54
November 07 2019 10:19 GMT
#34
Not sure what Sharp was thinking there. Seems so unlike Sharp to take a fight like that on lower ground.

Edit: Dang looks like I messed up LP edits. lol.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1441 Posts
November 07 2019 11:19 GMT
#35
That 3rd game was dope, wp by winner.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
November 07 2019 11:24 GMT
#36
This has been a fun TvT so far. That Overwatch game was great.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
November 07 2019 11:35 GMT
#37
what the hell sharp
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 11:44:38
November 07 2019 11:44 GMT
#38
Cool, I can leave it to cynical death to edit now. Guess I'll just watch now fuck it.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Rovant1c
Profile Joined October 2014
China72 Posts
November 07 2019 12:54 GMT
#39
Soma the last zerg.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
November 07 2019 12:56 GMT
#40
Wtf snow
WriterReV hwaiting!
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
November 07 2019 12:58 GMT
#41
anyone else think soma has a good shot of winning the whole thing? non-mirror i see only Light giving him trouble and i think his zvz is decent enough
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 13:05:01
November 07 2019 13:02 GMT
#42
Sucks Sharp went out first. He's been such a strong Terran for a few years now.
Artosis loves Starcraft
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1092 Posts
November 07 2019 14:42 GMT
#43
On November 07 2019 21:58 ggsimida wrote:
anyone else think soma has a good shot of winning the whole thing? non-mirror i see only Light giving him trouble and i think his zvz is decent enough


Lets not sleep on Rain pvz and sOrry was also 1drone away from a complete sweep
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
November 07 2019 15:33 GMT
#44
holy fuck

those were INSANE performances by the two rookies

soma played absolutely OUT OF HIS MIND, fucking nuts
POGGERS
RAPiDCasting
Profile Joined July 2009
Korea (South)594 Posts
November 07 2019 15:56 GMT
#45
On November 08 2019 00:33 konadora wrote:
holy fuck

those were INSANE performances by the two rookies

soma played absolutely OUT OF HIS MIND, fucking nuts


Just wanted to say thanks for all your awesome translation work!

It's so cool to have such talented up-and-coming players even eliminating some of the best players around right now. What a time to be alive and watching Broodwar!
The faster caster. @RAPiDCasting
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1092 Posts
November 07 2019 17:59 GMT
#46
SoMa should be 6-2 while SnOW sould be 3-4 on liqui
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1092 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 18:23:48
November 07 2019 18:11 GMT
#47
Great games overall today, im just a bit surprised on SnOW weak performance in his series against SoMa...
His whole tournament was on the line there, finishing 2nd of his group would automatically end his KSL right away (less than 1% chance he can take 3 games from Rain on the next round).
Cpt.beefy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Ireland799 Posts
November 07 2019 21:04 GMT
#48
Anyone have a link to the vods, I can't find anywhere...
Our Beloved Geoff "inControl" Robinson.
Nematocyst
Profile Joined October 2017
United States164 Posts
November 07 2019 21:14 GMT
#49
It was clear tastosis hadn't watched much Snow vs Soma when they predicted Snow. I hit Snow's stream a few times as he was killing on ladder, only to hit Soma 5 times straight for 0-5. As I was watching Soma v Sorry, I was thinking after the 2nd game: nobody's happier right now than Snow. then Soma reverse sweeps... poor Snow, such bad luck
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
November 07 2019 22:27 GMT
#50
On November 08 2019 06:04 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Anyone have a link to the vods, I can't find anywhere...


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/505005842
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
November 08 2019 06:02 GMT
#51
so HAPPY soma shows what he is made of in offline matches! gogogo soma!
IntoTheStorm
Profile Blog Joined October 2016
116 Posts
November 08 2019 09:51 GMT
#52
On November 08 2019 03:11 TornadoSteve wrote:
His whole tournament was on the line there, finishing 2nd of his group would automatically end his KSL right away (less than 1% chance he can take 3 games from Rain on the next round).


I am just curious, would please share the mathematical way to reach this conclusion - that Snow has less than 1% chance to take three games off Rain. I would be most grateful and I thank you in advance.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
November 08 2019 12:14 GMT
#53
it's like soma was super nervous for the first 2 games and then turned on the killer instinct, too bad for snow that he caught him afterwards and got run over pretty badly
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1092 Posts
November 08 2019 14:31 GMT
#54
On November 08 2019 18:51 IntoTheStorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2019 03:11 TornadoSteve wrote:
His whole tournament was on the line there, finishing 2nd of his group would automatically end his KSL right away (less than 1% chance he can take 3 games from Rain on the next round).


I am just curious, would please share the mathematical way to reach this conclusion - that Snow has less than 1% chance to take three games off Rain. I would be most grateful and I thank you in advance.


Nope, but we can bet though.
IntoTheStorm
Profile Blog Joined October 2016
116 Posts
November 08 2019 16:04 GMT
#55
On November 08 2019 23:31 TornadoSteve wrote:
Nope, but we can bet though.


Oh, it's rather disappointing that you can not support your claim. But anyway, it is what it is. I wish you well.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1092 Posts
November 08 2019 16:51 GMT
#56
Does it mean no bet ? :O(
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
November 08 2019 20:46 GMT
#57
On November 09 2019 01:51 TornadoSteve wrote:
Does it mean no bet ?

Yes, sure. I am not interested in any kind of bets. I just follow the 1v1 Korean leagues to see inspiring gameplay.
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8143 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-09 01:02:26
November 08 2019 21:09 GMT
#58
So cool seeing soma go from choker to killer in realtime in set 3. Glad we get at least 1 great zerg in the Ro8

Sorry was super impressive too, although snow will probably be an even harder MU for him than soma.
Free Palestine
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
November 08 2019 22:23 GMT
#59
On November 08 2019 23:31 TornadoSteve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2019 18:51 IntoTheStorm wrote:
On November 08 2019 03:11 TornadoSteve wrote:
His whole tournament was on the line there, finishing 2nd of his group would automatically end his KSL right away (less than 1% chance he can take 3 games from Rain on the next round).


I am just curious, would please share the mathematical way to reach this conclusion - that Snow has less than 1% chance to take three games off Rain. I would be most grateful and I thank you in advance.


Nope, but we can bet though.


Out of curiosity would this imply that you would offer greater than 100:1 odds for Snow > Rain?

I think you'd find takers if you offered these odds commensurate with your assessment of the probability of each player's victory.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
November 09 2019 02:20 GMT
#60
On November 09 2019 07:23 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2019 23:31 TornadoSteve wrote:
On November 08 2019 18:51 IntoTheStorm wrote:
On November 08 2019 03:11 TornadoSteve wrote:
His whole tournament was on the line there, finishing 2nd of his group would automatically end his KSL right away (less than 1% chance he can take 3 games from Rain on the next round).


I am just curious, would please share the mathematical way to reach this conclusion - that Snow has less than 1% chance to take three games off Rain. I would be most grateful and I thank you in advance.


Nope, but we can bet though.


Out of curiosity would this imply that you would offer greater than 100:1 odds for Snow > Rain?

I think you'd find takers if you offered these odds commensurate with your assessment of the probability of each player's victory.

Yeah, Damn, I’ll take that bet!
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
dwpunch
Profile Joined December 2018
10 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-09 03:18:08
November 09 2019 03:17 GMT
#61
On November 08 2019 21:14 LG)Sabbath wrote:
it's like soma was super nervous for the first 2 games and then turned on the killer instinct, too bad for snow that he caught him afterwards and got run over pretty badly


I'm sorry I kinda have to disagree with this. Game 1 you could argue Snow was a bit too greedy or didn't do enough to sniff out the bust. Either way Soma executed well so credit goes to him.

Game 2 though, wow that was a SUPER won game that was just tossed away. He had enough goons, enough cannons and corsair numbers increasing. There is no circumstance where that game should be lost. He can send out a few units to scout or push back lings a bit but moving out across the map was a disaster. Honestly, embarassing game for someone of Snow's caliber. I'm half-joking but I would be more relieved if I found out he fixed the match.

Game 3, cannon rush is also embarrassing. It just does. not. work. Like ever, especially at the highest level. It basically says either you've given up or you haven't prepped anything in terms of strategy.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8143 Posts
November 09 2019 05:32 GMT
#62
I'm actually pretty curious as to when was the last time a cannon rush worked in an official PvZ.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
November 15 2019 03:38 GMT
#63
so I guess no odds being given on aforementioned bet?
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