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[KSL2] Ro16 Day 10 - Group C/D Final Match

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
November 23 2018 09:48 GMT
#1

Korea StarCraft League Season 2


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Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 10:22:15
November 23 2018 10:20 GMT
#2
Building a bunker is a luxury I guess, Sharp start the series from 0-1 because of that. Or not. I dont know anymore.
Give thanks and praise!
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 10:45:55
November 23 2018 10:43 GMT
#3
Very fun game 2. So glad we got 2 Bo5 tonight.

Polls
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Poll: Recommend Jaehoon vs Sharp game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



Poll: Recommend Jaehoon vs Sharp game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Artosis loves Starcraft
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
November 23 2018 11:02 GMT
#4
fun series
Banned for saying "zerg players are by far the biggest whiners in sc2 history" despite the fact that this forum is full of such posts about Terrans. Foreigner Elitists in control!
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
November 23 2018 11:05 GMT
#5
Both players are playing SUPER scrappy, but somehow makes it entertaining.
Give thanks and praise!
oEkY
Profile Joined August 2016
Germany649 Posts
November 23 2018 11:06 GMT
#6
i thought jaehoon had this when he killed the first 2 sieged tanks, but the drops were crucial
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
November 23 2018 11:07 GMT
#7
That was a great game. Back and forth.

Poll: Recommend Jaehoon vs Sharp game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Artosis loves Starcraft
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 11:11:58
November 23 2018 11:11 GMT
#8
wrong thread

nice game 3
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
November 23 2018 11:28 GMT
#9
Polls

+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Recommend Jaehoon vs Sharp game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



Poll: Recommend Jaehoon vs Sharp game 5?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Artosis loves Starcraft
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
November 23 2018 11:31 GMT
#10
These were some fun games. Hope to see more of jaehoon.
zerglingling
Profile Joined April 2018
131 Posts
November 23 2018 11:55 GMT
#11
1-1-1? Nah, 1-1-2.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 23 2018 11:55 GMT
#12
Time for 2 port wraiths.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
November 23 2018 12:09 GMT
#13
Poll: Recommend Modesty vs Leta game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Artosis loves Starcraft
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 12:17:49
November 23 2018 12:17 GMT
#14
lings got trough :o was that a fault on the map? or mistake from Leta?
Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States649 Posts
November 23 2018 12:27 GMT
#15
Leta's playing this like some gimmicky ladder player with all these wraiths...
mechzdeus
Profile Joined July 2018
88 Posts
November 23 2018 12:28 GMT
#16
Leta is addicted to wraiths.
Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States649 Posts
November 23 2018 12:37 GMT
#17
I have no idea how Modesty managed to throw this game so hard, good lord.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 23 2018 12:38 GMT
#18
This game 2 of Modesty vs Leta is bizarre.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 12:41:44
November 23 2018 12:41 GMT
#19
I'm amazed at how that game turned out.

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Poll: Recommend Modesty vs Leta game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Wraiths

Artosis loves Starcraft
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 23 2018 12:42 GMT
#20
Well, that was highly entertaining. Felt like Leta had infinite irradiates.
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
November 23 2018 12:49 GMT
#21
On November 23 2018 21:37 Katkishka wrote:
I have no idea how Modesty managed to throw this game so hard, good lord.

I just can't stand that "throw" word. These players have sacrificed so much to play at the highest level, just for people to sit on their ass and demand them to play perfectly. It's fine to point out flaws in their play, but why use a word that's literally insinuating that they lost on purpose? How disrespectful is that?
mechzdeus
Profile Joined July 2018
88 Posts
November 23 2018 12:57 GMT
#22
Just make some wraiths, how can you lose??!
Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States649 Posts
November 23 2018 12:59 GMT
#23
On November 23 2018 21:49 tanngard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2018 21:37 Katkishka wrote:
I have no idea how Modesty managed to throw this game so hard, good lord.

I just can't stand that "throw" word. These players have sacrificed so much to play at the highest level, just for people to sit on their ass and demand them to play perfectly. It's fine to point out flaws in their play, but why use a word that's literally insinuating that they lost on purpose? How disrespectful is that?


I'm not implying he lost on purpose, I'm implying that, through a series of poor decisions and engagements, he tossed a massive lead and lost a match that he should've won easily. Obviously he's infinitely better than me, but he's still not very good as far as BW pros go.
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
November 23 2018 13:06 GMT
#24
I don't even know what to say. When I heard about a leta modesty rematch I joked he'd just go wraiths every game again. I didn't actually expect it to happen.

Jesus
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 23 2018 13:08 GMT
#25
I have to say that Leta gets an amazing amount of value out of his wraiths this game.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 13:09:56
November 23 2018 13:08 GMT
#26
On November 23 2018 21:49 tanngard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2018 21:37 Katkishka wrote:
I have no idea how Modesty managed to throw this game so hard, good lord.

I just can't stand that "throw" word. These players have sacrificed so much to play at the highest level, just for people to sit on their ass and demand them to play perfectly. It's fine to point out flaws in their play, but why use a word that's literally insinuating that they lost on purpose? How disrespectful is that?

Relevant sig. People used to say it every two games in dota but it faded away.
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4009 Posts
November 23 2018 13:09 GMT
#27
haven't seen such a clueless zerg in a while
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Zaibakk
Profile Joined May 2017
101 Posts
November 23 2018 13:11 GMT
#28
It's incredible how Modesty was not prepared to the first 2 wraiths and lost like 8 drones and 1 overlord... like he doesn't know they would come!
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
November 23 2018 13:11 GMT
#29
poll
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Recommend Modesty vs Leta game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



Overall a very good bunch of games.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
November 23 2018 13:13 GMT
#30
"I was trying to figure out what would counter his style, and realised that 2 starport was the best option"

Hahaha, suuuuure Leta

The original Bogus fan.
zerglingling
Profile Joined April 2018
131 Posts
November 23 2018 13:13 GMT
#31
Couldn't he just make a queen and ensnare the wraiths out of existence?
mechzdeus
Profile Joined July 2018
88 Posts
November 23 2018 13:14 GMT
#32
Playing on stage leaks my strategies.

The big secret Leta going to 2 port wraith.
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
November 23 2018 13:19 GMT
#33
On November 23 2018 21:59 Katkishka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2018 21:49 tanngard wrote:
On November 23 2018 21:37 Katkishka wrote:
I have no idea how Modesty managed to throw this game so hard, good lord.

I just can't stand that "throw" word. These players have sacrificed so much to play at the highest level, just for people to sit on their ass and demand them to play perfectly. It's fine to point out flaws in their play, but why use a word that's literally insinuating that they lost on purpose? How disrespectful is that?


I'm not implying he lost on purpose, I'm implying that, through a series of poor decisions and engagements, he tossed a massive lead and lost a match that he should've won easily. Obviously he's infinitely better than me, but he's still not very good as far as BW pros go.

I know you don't mean he lost the game on purpose, but that's why i hate that word. It does literally imply an intended action in ridding oneself of an opportunity to win.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
November 23 2018 13:19 GMT
#34
Polls

+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Recommend Modesty vs Leta game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



Poll: Recommend Modesty vs Leta game 5?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Artosis loves Starcraft
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
November 23 2018 13:22 GMT
#35
On November 23 2018 22:13 zerglingling wrote:
Couldn't he just make a queen and ensnare the wraiths out of existence?


He did that before, and he did beat Leta 3-2. Today he was really off, Leta didnt do anything differently or better than the last time they did play.
Give thanks and praise!
repomaniak
Profile Joined January 2009
Poland324 Posts
November 23 2018 13:27 GMT
#36
KSL Sharp interview


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KSL Artosis sharp timing


KSL cheer art it's time / face caster / tasteless without wig or beard


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KSL Tastelss \ aliens /



KSL Tastosis Hawkeye from KR


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KSL Leta interview


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KSL Tastosis Dr. Phil vs Modesty


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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 23 2018 13:28 GMT
#37
On November 23 2018 22:22 Breach_hu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2018 22:13 zerglingling wrote:
Couldn't he just make a queen and ensnare the wraiths out of existence?


He did that before, and he did beat Leta 3-2. Today he was really off, Leta didnt do anything differently or better than the last time they did play.

Well, he didn't go 8rax vs 12pool for starters :x
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 14:58:02
November 23 2018 14:57 GMT
#38
When are pairings being shown?
oEkY
Profile Joined August 2016
Germany649 Posts
November 23 2018 16:10 GMT
#39
On November 23 2018 23:57 Xain0n wrote:
When are pairings being shown?


They showed them at the end of todays stream, ro8 matches are:

Rain vs leta
Mind vs sharp

And on the other side of the bracket the matches are

Sk vs larva
Last vs miso

Which means that rain is the first finalist
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
November 23 2018 16:33 GMT
#40
And Last - the second finalist. It's sad we ended up with a zvz in r8.
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 22:06:11
November 23 2018 22:05 GMT
#41
Free run for Rain to the finals, he might win this just off his PvT
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8101 Posts
November 23 2018 22:27 GMT
#42
Correct me if I'm wrong but Modesty and Leta both just seem way worse than the rest of the players in the Ro8? It's disappointing to see Modesty never mixed in a 3 hatch in this series, especially after how successful he was with it vs Last last week. He got so far ahead in Game 2 and then threw it all away by over-expanding and trying to literally get every tech at the same time. If he just stuck to 1 route he would have been fine, but instead had to go for greater spire + defiler + lurker + ultra? AND expand 3 places at once?

I guess the whole series (+ their first series) both players were so afraid of counter-harassment from the other that they both just turtled A LOT, but damn it's so frustrating to watch 2 players continuously go for hyper-aggressive builds vs each other over and over again and then see almost nothing happen for the first 12 minutes every game.
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KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 23 2018 22:53 GMT
#43
Bad series, Leta-Modesty. Ro8 doesn't look any better. Two mirrors and two expected walkovers by the favorite. Sigh.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden305 Posts
November 24 2018 03:04 GMT
#44
Bermuda completely threw 2 games, they weren't sure wins but he just messed up and made his advantage into a sure loss.

And Sharp is always so damn good and active with his vultures, why not prepare better for it? And why not adapt better to it in the game? Bermuda played so well in parts of the game, some of the most frustrating matches I have seen.
And why not expand as P when you have an advantage on T?

And Leta vs. Modesty was even weirder than their first series, it is kinda interesting to see Leta use his unique style though and wraiths are fun. But there is so much down time during the games where the wraiths are just sitting there and nothing is going on from either side even though there seems like a lot of opportunity for it.

I get that it is easy for me to say as a spectator but when watching the better players play it is such a big difference.

Anyway, Artosis and Tasteless made it entertaining throughout anyway, and there were some great moments and it is kinda nice to see some unconventional matches from time to time to really appreciate the beauty of a tightly played broodwar game.
nah
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
November 24 2018 04:21 GMT
#45
Ro8
Rain vs Leta
Mind vs Sharp
Soulkey vs Larva
Last vs Where
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
November 25 2018 19:37 GMT
#46
On November 23 2018 22:13 Turbovolver wrote:
"I was trying to figure out what would counter his style, and realised that 2 starport was the best option"

Hahaha, suuuuure Leta



hahaha the interviewer should have burst out laughing on the spot.
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v1p3r52
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand182 Posts
November 25 2018 22:59 GMT
#47
did flash not qualify for or choose to no enter KSL?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 25 2018 23:47 GMT
#48
As far as i know he didn't even try.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden305 Posts
November 26 2018 03:31 GMT
#49
On November 26 2018 07:59 v1p3r52 wrote:
did flash not qualify for or choose to no enter KSL?


Flash, and others like Jaedong, chose to not participate in KSL 2 to focus on ASL6 instead.
nah
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
November 26 2018 09:16 GMT
#50
On November 24 2018 07:27 Ideas wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but Modesty and Leta both just seem way worse than the rest of the players in the Ro8? It's disappointing to see Modesty never mixed in a 3 hatch in this series, especially after how successful he was with it vs Last last week. He got so far ahead in Game 2 and then threw it all away by over-expanding and trying to literally get every tech at the same time. If he just stuck to 1 route he would have been fine, but instead had to go for greater spire + defiler + lurker + ultra? AND expand 3 places at once?

I guess the whole series (+ their first series) both players were so afraid of counter-harassment from the other that they both just turtled A LOT, but damn it's so frustrating to watch 2 players continuously go for hyper-aggressive builds vs each other over and over again and then see almost nothing happen for the first 12 minutes every game.


Going 3 hatch doesn't make any sense when playing vs Leta when 99% of the time he's going for 2 port wraith.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8101 Posts
November 26 2018 15:19 GMT
#51
On November 26 2018 18:16 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2018 07:27 Ideas wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but Modesty and Leta both just seem way worse than the rest of the players in the Ro8? It's disappointing to see Modesty never mixed in a 3 hatch in this series, especially after how successful he was with it vs Last last week. He got so far ahead in Game 2 and then threw it all away by over-expanding and trying to literally get every tech at the same time. If he just stuck to 1 route he would have been fine, but instead had to go for greater spire + defiler + lurker + ultra? AND expand 3 places at once?

I guess the whole series (+ their first series) both players were so afraid of counter-harassment from the other that they both just turtled A LOT, but damn it's so frustrating to watch 2 players continuously go for hyper-aggressive builds vs each other over and over again and then see almost nothing happen for the first 12 minutes every game.


Going 3 hatch doesn't make any sense when playing vs Leta when 99% of the time he's going for 2 port wraith.


Hmm maybe I'm just really dumb and bad at the game but it's not like 3 hat is an automatic BO loss vs 2port? You just need to get hydra den earlier. I've always thought of both being equally viable against 2port but maybe that's just because Ts near my rank on the ladder can't ever pull off 2port and I haven't seen a 3 hat vs 2port pro game since the kespa days and don't really remember how that went any more. Either way I guess Modesty always wants to go 2hat anyway so makes sense that he'd do that vs leta every game.
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
November 27 2018 21:41 GMT
#52
I wonder how quick 3 base + spores into tech would do against 2port wraiths.
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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
November 28 2018 04:25 GMT
#53
On November 28 2018 06:41 arbiter_md wrote:
I wonder how quick 3 base + spores into tech would do against 2port wraiths.

I do seem to remember a lot more spores being used vs wraiths back in the old days of playing against 2port.

Those games felt different to these ones, though. Old-style 2port, the marine/medic followup came rather quickly after the wraith harassment, and it felt a bit more all-in.
The original Bogus fan.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 29 2018 03:27 GMT
#54
This tournament sucks. When does the other one start?
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