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catbert1
Profile Joined February 2007
Korea (South)111 Posts
May 25 2007 21:27 GMT
#501
these maps are awesome, i really can see that the better players are showing their shit and not having to overcome stacked maps

all those shitty terrans that qualified because of arkanoid and hitchhiker are proving they don't belong here at all and if these maps are the next qualifying maps they better keep this memory of being in the big league in their heart because they ain't coming back for a long time
zurg
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1923 Posts
May 25 2007 21:31 GMT
#502
i can watch it all day long ^^
savior vs gorush (is not the whole game)


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The Storyteller
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
Singapore2486 Posts
May 25 2007 22:29 GMT
#503
On May 26 2007 04:40 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
They totally shoulve had gorush and savior play another zvt show match


CJ Superfight?
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 25 2007 22:56 GMT
#504
I hate when the op doesnt post results >
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
May 25 2007 23:35 GMT
#505
On May 26 2007 07:56 fusionsdf wrote:
I hate when the op doesnt post results >


+ Show Spoiler +

gorush's queen > savior
cheese > jangbi

gorush > cheese
savior >>> jangbi

savior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terran
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-26 00:00:58
May 25 2007 23:57 GMT
#506
On May 26 2007 04:25 Autumn_gm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2007 04:20 thedeadhaji wrote:
On May 26 2007 04:13 Autumn_gm wrote:
Now get ready for gay cheese by shine. What d bag... :/


so you want players to NOT use the strategy that is most likely to get them the win? Your logic is amazing -___-.

This is their fucking livelihood, and they should do whatever it takes (within the rules) to get them the win. If it's turtling that is most likely to get them the win, do it. If it's cheese-rushing, then do it.

It's like telling someone to not use their book in an open book exam: utterly retarded.


Honestly I don't care about this statement. I watch it to be entertained, and cheesing for a win isn't entertaining to me. Maybe it is to you, but it is boring and makes for a less exciting match. Also generally players that cheese tend to play at a lower level on majority of their late games so I think instead of wasting all that time practicing that cheese they need to work on their main game so they can get further than just group stages.

It's like taking an open book exam with a book and still failing in the end for my opinion, and it makes them look that much more stupid when they lose.

Good Day Sir!! -_-;;


players can cheese if they want to. The players care more about winning then you being entertained. If they suck late game, then oh well, it's their problem.
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
May 26 2007 00:04 GMT
#507
Pics:

http://www.fighterforum.com/newsphoto/news_photo_read.asp?page=1&cat=PHO&idx=2098
http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=list&edit_num=139&db=photo
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 26 2007 00:06 GMT
#508
On May 26 2007 08:35 pachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2007 07:56 fusionsdf wrote:
I hate when the op doesnt post results >


+ Show Spoiler +

gorush's queen > savior
cheese > jangbi

gorush > cheese
savior >>> jangbi

savior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terran


thank you
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
May 26 2007 00:27 GMT
#509
KizZBG, thanks...your always THE MAN with the pics
I like these new maps...like someone already said, here we can see how good players are adapting much better and faster to special situations. Gorush and Savior did a great job by doing so. Next round will be hell for them
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 26 2007 01:40 GMT
#510
savior was smiling after he lost to gorush, just a huge grin

dude probably thought it was hilarious that he played terran against gorush
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
May 26 2007 01:43 GMT
#511
I bet he didn't care.
His other opponants are Jangbi and Shine.. LOL.
Savior was probably grinning cuz he knew GoRush would get SO AMPED.
AMPED..

Did you see GoRush after his 2-0? LOLOLOL Cheesiest Serious motherfucker alive EVER.
He was so serious I felt... embarassed by his seriousness.. But I love him.

Too underappreciated.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
May 26 2007 01:56 GMT
#512
gorush... winner of wcg 2000... jewel of south korea
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-26 02:40:52
May 26 2007 02:39 GMT
#513
GoRush is so badass. Only guy to seriously use Infesteds in like half his ZvTs ~~

[image loading]

what can I say? win over sAviOr ez.
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Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
May 26 2007 02:51 GMT
#514
On May 26 2007 10:43 SuperJongMan wrote:
I bet he didn't care.
His other opponants are Jangbi and Shine.. LOL.


This. He knew he could afford to throw the first game, as Jangbi and Shine aren't exactly starleague material at this point. Random would've been more ballsy than just going T though.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-26 03:06:12
May 26 2007 03:05 GMT
#515
3-0 GR vs Savior. Right? lol...
Man, I just saw the game and GR really is brilliant. Nothing short of it.
That build and map usage was nothing short of his stupid nickname. Management Magician -_-;;

Facking art tho.

That and Savior's T sense doesn't match his Z sense.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
May 26 2007 03:10 GMT
#516
[image loading]


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Autumn_gm
Profile Joined May 2007
United States101 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-26 06:07:34
May 26 2007 04:28 GMT
#517
On May 26 2007 05:02 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2007 04:42 Autumn_gm wrote:
On May 26 2007 04:35 thedeadhaji wrote:
On May 26 2007 04:32 Autumn_gm wrote:
On May 26 2007 04:30 thedeadhaji wrote:
On May 26 2007 04:29 Autumn_gm wrote:
On May 26 2007 04:27 thedeadhaji wrote:
you watch to be entertained, they play to win.

end of story


Exactly so why create a dumb dispute just because I don't like watching cheesed games seems kind of childish to me?


b/c you insinuate that a player is a d-bag for cheesing, when they are simply playing in the manner that they should to maximize their chances of winning.

your expectations are not aligned with the player's perspective at all.


so that doesn't mean that I am not entitled to my opinion? I am also sure I am not the only one that doesn't like it, and my perspective as we discussed is different from the motives of the players so in the end created a dispute when you could just agree to disagree with me is pointless. :/


"I dont like cheesing" is a opinion, of which of course you are entitled to, and is undisputable.

"That cheesing player XYZ is a douche" is a statement, to which I am entitled to object to, for it is a statement, not an opinion.


Actually it is still an opinion that I think he is a d bag for cheesing. You can disagree with it thats fine you like cheese, but to create a dispute on it which you stated caused you to miss some of the action could have been avoided if you just disagreed and moved on. Not my fault you wanted to force the situation.

Yep its an opinion, but do you have anything to back it up with? How does cheesing make him a douche bag? Trying to win in the best way possible makes someone a douche bag? How so? Thats the point haji is making...an opinion without something to back it up is just shitting out of your mouth Talking to hear yourself talk.


I don't think I need to back it up when I am not the only one that feels cheese is a bad way to win a game, but at the very least you can acknowledge it was an opinion.

Bottom line is it isn't entertaining to me, and some people might think it is disrespectful to their favorite player when they get cheesed for a win. Especially when they can't get a win in a regular game. It is like dirty cheap tactics to win a game. Maybe they need that win, but do they need it enough at the expense of having people think this way about them? Maybe they could just try to get better so they don't have to cheese?

I am not the first or only person here to call someone gay or a d bag not even in this thread let alone in the life time of this site because they cheesed so in my opinion creating a specific dispute against me instead of just disagreeing is a waste of your time and mine.

You got to learn some people like certain teams and players that other people don't like. The same goes about cheese. Some people like their players to win and do anything it takes to win as to where some people think it is disrespectful and lame towards other players. Everyone is entitled to what they want to think as am I.

I shouldn't have to backup any statement because some guy thought it was needed to argue about something that is or can be a general opinion of anyone here. Being able to accept other peoples opinions without arguing is part of what it means to be an adult, and outside of my curiosity as to why you would start a dispute about something so trivial I think I have yet to disrespect anyone here outside of shine who I still think is a d bag for cheesing. lol :/

I hope this gives enough clarification as to why I think he is a d bag for cheesing, and why my opinion will stay as such. I am not asking for you to agree or accept it, but just try not to start meaningless dramatics over it when quite frankly a number of people here just hate cheese.

Have a good day,
Autumn ^.-
The Summer Shudder...
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 26 2007 06:02 GMT
#518
Drama of all sorts and levels aside, this group makes Z look so imba. Standard play gets raped, and rushes get raped.

By the way, how many TvZ games on Desperado have there been so far? I can't remember seeing another, but if somebody could point a game out, that'd be great. GoRush's build looked like it should have like 80% winrate...so ridiculously strong. Fast lurk -> fast 4 gas -> mass muta midgame with turbo hive -> guardian ownage plus queen usage/main CC steal? The map is so huge sending out early midgame armies would be suicide because of reinforcements. So what does Terran need to do? Drops to kill the second main?
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 26 2007 06:41 GMT
#519
On May 26 2007 15:02 Myrmidon wrote:
Drama of all sorts and levels aside, this group makes Z look so imba. Standard play gets raped, and rushes get raped.

By the way, how many TvZ games on Desperado have there been so far? I can't remember seeing another, but if somebody could point a game out, that'd be great. GoRush's build looked like it should have like 80% winrate...so ridiculously strong. Fast lurk -> fast 4 gas -> mass muta midgame with turbo hive -> guardian ownage plus queen usage/main CC steal? The map is so huge sending out early midgame armies would be suicide because of reinforcements. So what does Terran need to do? Drops to kill the second main?


MSL RO32 Group A Oversky (Z) vs Freedom (T) was on this map I think, but that game never developed past the early game.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
May 26 2007 06:52 GMT
#520
And Goodfriend vs JJu
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