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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
(Tasteless and Artosis)Korean Stream (KCM, trOt and Zeus)German Stream (NarutO and TakeTV)Polish Stream (EmSc TV) | ||
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Qikz
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radadaundandan
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1700 Posts
KEEP SLEEPING ON HIM KEEP DOIN IT | ||
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Motivate
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hope to see some longer games out of action! don't want to see a shine v2 please | ||
KristofferAG
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Kaley
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Also Lights, ~~~ camera, ~ Action's got the stamina he's comin for yo Gs, don't mind me telling ya, p-lease ~~~ There's nowhere to run under the swarm the slaughter's only begun as we're watching our champion and chatting in the LR, it's fun! 'Cuz of the nydus you see the light of the supplies on fire early. Light looking so tired GGs as we all admire all the skill we've seen transpire, 'nouncer lady feels desire. Mafia's legit no liar when he says he'll satisfy her appetite for games so high on entertainment scales, retires all her fears of not having done anything with life; skies are bright, glaring rockstardom in her eyes. I forgot what I advertise oh right playing mob on the side?'s awesomer than you realize. Mob's gameplay and story stores a cornuh copia world for the broodwar wiseguys to explore; uh-huh! will render progames mem'ra ble like yo first time with a girl curled up, spooning. A kin to Merl in perking books. Magic unfurl ing follow that link just click... | ||
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gravity
Australia1988 Posts
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Szinkler
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NoS-Craig
Australia3121 Posts
Predicting Action and Rain to advance here. I can't see Light beating Rain. | ||
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On October 18 2018 19:07 KristofferAG wrote: What, no booths at all? No need booths for no names, the crowd won't scream :p | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
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rotta
5595 Posts
On October 18 2018 19:12 Nematocyst wrote: Artosis ironed his shirt just before coming. Tasteless slept in his. The Pinky & the Brain reference was pretty spot on | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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NoS-Craig
Australia3121 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On October 18 2018 19:03 NoS-Craig wrote: Winner picks map is gone this season. whoa they finally figured it out? | ||
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CakeSauc3
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BLinD-RawR
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NoS-Craig
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CakeSauc3
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Kaley
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BLinD-RawR
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CakeSauc3
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alypse
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nojok
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Puosu
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BLinD-RawR
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3121 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Motivate
2860 Posts
is that the first time we've ever seen someone eliminated rather than leaving the game? | ||
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Zaibakk
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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rotta
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NoS-Craig
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gDPhantom
New Zealand162 Posts
On October 18 2018 19:53 nojok wrote: It's so bm to not type GG, I'm outraged. base race is different its not BM. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Freakling
Germany1529 Posts
On October 18 2018 19:55 BLinD-RawR wrote: Now I know the map is just called Eddy, I have no clue how it got translated to that....also freakling made the map so long ago that the heroes of the storm logo was purely coincidental Actually the full map name is "In the Way of an Eddy". Jukado just shortened it to "Eddy" at some point or otherwise he'd been unable to slap on the "iCCup_" tag… Some one needs to learn about proper title case though… In Korean they just shortened it to 에디 (Ae-di) again. And yes, this map is a study in map geometry, not a Heroes of the Storm homage. And now I actually missed the game O_o What happened? 5 pool?! | ||
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Muirhead
United States556 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
On October 18 2018 20:00 Freakling wrote: Actually the full map name is "In the Way of an Eddy". Jukado just shortened it to "Eddy" at some point or otherwise he'd been unable to slap on the "iCCup_" tag… Some one needs to learn about proper title case though… And mow I actually missed the game O_o What happened? 5 pool?! I was listening more than watching but commentators said 9pool vs 12 hatch. When I clicked over, Action tried to protect the hatchery with tons of drones, failed, gged immediately before the ling fight even played out. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3121 Posts
I think he was joking. Just making light of the fact there was no GG because of the elimination from said base trade. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
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CakeSauc3
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Turbovolver
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BLinD-RawR
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NoS-Craig
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Motivate
2860 Posts
are there any better streams than twitch which lags for me> | ||
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NoS-Craig
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
On October 18 2018 20:23 NoS-Craig wrote: Oh, shit is there more games? I thought it was just these two tonight? nuh uh its a Bo5 TvP now. | ||
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Zera
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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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whatta guy light, not out of the woods yet | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
Impressive control by Light | ||
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Motivate
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nojok
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NoS-Craig
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
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nojok
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Breach_hu
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Wonk
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GTR
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 mostly because its actually a realistic experience for a lot of those who grew up with starcraft in korea in the 2000s and now coming back to it with remastered. | ||
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NoS-Craig
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GTR
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NoS-Craig
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razorsuKe
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Turbovolver
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NoS-Craig
Australia3121 Posts
This game feels like a slow death for Light now. Not sure if a Non-Flash Terran can beat Rain Bo5. Not even sure Flash himself can do it. He musts be happy Effort got rid of him in the ASL. | ||
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nojok
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On October 18 2018 21:53 Turbovolver wrote: I forget the last time I saw a BBS actually just smoothly destroy someone. probably the quickest game in asl (?ksl) history is sea vs horang2 where sea used BBS. problem is also that i feel BBS just isn't that good against protoss, but it's the only real cheese available in tvp? i don't get how light is so good versus zerg mechanically but totally falls apart against protoss... overall he's mechanically quite good, regardless of match up. his play against protoss is just so uninspiring. | ||
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razorsuKe
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CynicalDeath
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Zera
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On October 18 2018 22:13 Zera wrote: The only thing we are missing in this game are the close ups of players and doom zooms! meh, light will just have the same melancholic expression, winning or losing | ||
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NoS-Craig
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KarlHungus1908
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Breach_hu
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BLinD-RawR
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Ziggy
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nojok
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Zera
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LG)Sabbath
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Kaley
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Light: heh.. got eem | ||
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iFU.pauline
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nojok
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CakeSauc3
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NoS-Craig
Australia3121 Posts
Light, you got a fan in me after that game. Sir, I salute you for managing to get a win in that game. | ||
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Wonk
546 Posts
That has to be a record for the longest pro game to ever start with BBS | ||
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nojok
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elpolloloco31
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
On October 18 2018 22:47 elpolloloco31 wrote: when do you think the VOD will be out? right now https://www.twitch.tv/videos/324198779 | ||
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Yanokabo
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
KSL Where interview KSL Artosis light is facebook KSL Tasteless i am artosis i talk to parts of the map KSL Tasteless WELL SAID ARTOSIS https://clips.twitch.tv/SmellyInterestingFiddleheadsTwitchRaid?tt_medium=my_clips KSL cut carbs not arbs © Tasteless KSL Tasteless is so smart KSL Tasteless gclef is a translator warg with his translator scepter KSL Rain interview KSL Tastosis better shirts KSL Artosis how to booli your friends | ||
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elpolloloco31
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thank you sir | ||
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Tchado
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reminisce12
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BisuDagger
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria409 Posts
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Miragee
8587 Posts
On October 19 2018 03:46 BisuDagger wrote: It must be very frustrating to be a Light fan. Light hasn't won a BoX series versus a protos player in the post kespa era. Has he won one in the Kespa era though?  Well, his TvP has always been pretty bad compared to his other match ups. So I'm surprised that he put up a good fight. Game 3 was so fucking good. Really enjoyed the games today. | ||
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Wonk
546 Posts
On October 19 2018 03:46 BisuDagger wrote: It must be very frustrating to be a Light fan. Light hasn't won a BoX series versus a protos player in the post kespa era. I dunno, I thought his games were really good. He certainly seems a lot better at the matchup compared to just last season, going 0-3 and 3-2 agaisnt Mini and Movie (i don't even remember those games). Or maybe he's just more comfortable playing macro games versus less aggressive protosses. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
As for Light vs Rain, was pretty cool to see Light up his game, and even take that crazy long macro game from a BBS opener lol. It is a testament to Rain's skills that he managed to bring it that far, but it also showed how really good Light's decision making skills, upgrades, and EMPs were to win him that game. The other games were nice and all, but you gotta feel bad for Light. The guy tried extra hard today, and it felt like Rain was almost always an extra step ahead. Even when Rain went for that fast dt build on CB, Light wasn't able to take advantage of it. Glad I at least got one prediction right lol: + Show Spoiler + A long macro game would heavily favour Rain, so Light's best chance is to go for a strike to cripple Rain's economy early on or take heavy risks so that he can take control of the game as he likes. I still can't see Rain dropping more than one map at best, even with Light's more recent form and newfound confidence I would've liked to see that hidden expansion last much longer. I mean, if even Sea can get away with it against Flash in an ASL finals no less, why can't Light do it against Rain? Maybe if he tried to be aggressive early on, though the reavers kinda shut that down, then Rain would've had less reason to suspect it? Regardless, well played by Light. He is not out of it yet as he can still beat both Action and likely Miso to advance if he scouts carefully. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden310 Posts
It is weird but I felt like overall, Action played better then Where. One major mistake from Light was when he sent all his Vulture to the 3 o'clock base to kill the probes and Rain could easily bypass the minefield and wipe out the tanks, Light had a solid lead but Rain gained the advantage and never let go after that. If those 12+ vultures where there to defend the tanks instead Light takes the game from there. I felt like Rain was throwing away units in game 3 trying to close the game without having a real plan, I get that it was a crazy game of endurance and Light played a lot more controlled and tactical game towards the end, I guess all that TvT experience really helps in that game. Rain felt a bit lost towards the end. With such good play from both losers I am really impressed by this group. And my god the games where good. | ||
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Yanokabo
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On October 19 2018 05:13 Miragee wrote: Has he won one in the Kespa era though? Well, his TvP has always been pretty bad compared to his other match ups. So I'm surprised that he put up a good fight. Game 3 was so fucking good. Really enjoyed the games today. Light never won a best-of-series against a protoss in the latter stages (round of eight and above) of major individual leagues during his professional career. His biggest triumph versus the protoss race in a best-of-series setting would either be his 2-1 victory versus Bisu in the round of 16 of WCG Korea 2007, or his 2-1 victory versus JangBi in the round of 28 of Incruit OGN StarLeague. Obviously he won more, but these would be the ones he would be most proud of I'd imagine. | ||
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BigFan
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On October 19 2018 13:37 BigFan wrote: Is there any reason for Light's vP being well, bad I guess? He's certainly not bad mechanically, but I guess maybe he just doesn't understand the matchup as well as say, TvZ? Anyone have any ideas. I don't even think it has necessarily to do with the fact that he utterly lacks the fundamental flow of the match-up, since his protoss-versus-terran abilities are top level for an offrace (he has beaten Flash's terran with it before). From a pure theoretical point of view, the way he talks makes me feel like he has encyclopedic knowledge of Brood War in general. I have the feeling that Light is just not a natural competitor in general. This is a quality that is often downplayed, but it is an essential asset to have since you are competing at a Brood War tournament, not showing off your Brood War capabilities to an audience in a laid-back vacuum setting, totally free from consequences. It is true that Light does have a better skills in the other match-ups, but his utter lack of competitive results in this specific match-up has more to do with his flaws as a competitor, than any crippling flaws as a gamer in my personal opinion. Light, after losing his series, lamented the fact that he lost in such a disappointing manner, not being able to show the kind of skills he displayed during practice. Even during his days as a professional, he wasn't that bad during practice. Bisu once said on stream that when he was having his best ProLeague performance of his career, he had a joint-practice session with MBC Game HERO, and he went undefeated against the entire terran roster of that team, excluding Light, who managed to defeat him. Assuming that it is the Shinhan 2010/2011 ProLeague season Bisu is talking about (where he got the MVP as well as the most number of individual victories), Light actually had a sub-50% win rate versus the protoss race that season. Sea had a win rate that was closer to 60%. From a pure gaming point of view, Light may have been the better player, but it essentially doesn't matter from a competitive stand point if he couldn't bring the results. | ||
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Yanokabo
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sM.Zik
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Dante08
Singapore4138 Posts
On October 19 2018 13:37 BigFan wrote: Is there any reason for Light's vP being well, bad I guess? He's certainly not bad mechanically, but I guess maybe he just doesn't understand the matchup as well as say, TvZ? Anyone have any ideas. Light's decision making is just sub-par in TvP. The circuit breaker game is a perfect example. At one point he had 4 tanks killing the 3 o'clock nexus and he ran his vultures in to kill the probes instead of protecting his tanks and lost his whole army. Later on they were 4 base vs 4 base which is very good for Terran, Rain attacks the 6 o'clock base with his whole army and Light brings units too slowly and doesn't manage to save the nexus. He should have just attacked Rain's 3rd and 4th and he would have a very strong chance to close out the game but he loses his base, cedes map control and lets Rain get his 5th up. These were just some examples of bad decision making, he's mechanically solid but until he really learns the matchup I don't see him performing well vs Protoss. | ||
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