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BLinD-RawR
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(RAPiD and NoRegreT)* Korean Stream (KCM, trOt and Zeus)German Stream (NarutO and TakeTV)Polish Stream (EmSc TV)* - Tasteless and Artosis are unavailable due to GSL vs The World | ||
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Motivate
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On August 03 2018 17:03 oEkY wrote: Rooting for Sharp and Shine today! lols... snow is going to tear sharp a new one  | ||
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oEkY
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On August 03 2018 17:58 Motivate wrote: lols... snow is going to tear sharp a new one Although u might be right, thats no reason for me not to root for him...  | ||
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razorsuKe
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On August 03 2018 19:17 Ziggy wrote: Snow so unlucky this game omg Or Sharp is in rare form. My god, everything that can go right for sharp is going right. | ||
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- Kills multiple probes with vultures - Scouts 2 base Carriers - Kills first reaver taking 0 losses - Proceeds to go for 2 base 5 fac push vs a Protoss going 2 base carrier and doesn't manage to take the natural - Poor Goliath micro the whole game Sharp really should have won that with the 2 fac push. No discredit to Snow though he's a beast | ||
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Motivate
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i just want to see a game where a terran convincingly wins against carriers (and movie vs last doesnt count) this might just be because terrans dont seem to practice any match up besides tvz | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend Snow vs Sharp Game 1? No (6) Yes (4) If you have time (0) 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Sharp Game 1? that was a good game | ||
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xccam
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On August 03 2018 19:30 Motivate wrote: carriers are just disgusting... they seem to win whenever they're used, even if they're scouted or used on an open map i just want to see a game where a terran convincingly wins against carriers (and movie vs last doesnt count) this might just be because terrans dont seem to practice any match up besides tvz | ||
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xccam
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On August 03 2018 19:34 asel wrote: Why did Sharp never target the interceptors? Terrans are too greedy these days I think - I almost never see Terran just hold position the goliaths to chew through the interceptors. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 03 2018 19:30 BLinD-RawR wrote: Poll: Recommend Snow vs Sharp Game 1? No (6) Yes (4) If you have time (0) 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Sharp Game 1? that was a good game guys please vote | ||
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Motivate
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Dante08
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On August 03 2018 19:39 xccam wrote: Sharp is behind, should have just pulled back after killing the base. Yeah lol he tried hard to contain but he should have pulled all his scvs back when he got the nexus and start his cc immediately. | ||
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xccam
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On August 03 2018 19:43 Dante08 wrote: This is like watching Snow vs a C+ Terran There aren't many terrans who look any better right now. Sad state of TvP | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:44 asel wrote: More like drunk Snow vs a C+ Terran Yeah you can tell Snow knows he's so far ahead in terms of skill he's just styling abit | ||
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xccam
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On August 03 2018 19:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: much better anti carrier moves from sharp this game I think just worse carrier movement. Sharp is still doing awful goliath dives. | ||
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Dante08
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On August 03 2018 19:59 asel wrote: SHARP. It is not a good move to run goliaths into a goon control group to get a volley on the carriers. It's so painful to watch | ||
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xccam
Great Britain1150 Posts
On August 03 2018 19:59 asel wrote: SHARP. It is not a good move to run goliaths into a goon control group to get a volley on the carriers. Story of the entire game. 24 goliaths with 3/3 will shred interceptors, but they will not survive diving into 12 dragoons whilst the carriers micro back. | ||
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Motivate
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xccam
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On August 03 2018 20:05 DminusTerran wrote: I think if Sharp just hold positioned his Goliaths and went back to his base to not miss his macro cycles he would've bankrupted Snow .Maybe I'm spoiled by seeing Flash's anti carrier games from '08-'10 but I am always shocked when terrans don't just do the whole "sit still and kill all the interceptors" thing. It seems wayyy more consistent than losing all your goliaths to dragoons to deal 50% hit point damage to carrier hulls whilst killing nothing. | ||
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Motivate
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On August 03 2018 20:07 xccam wrote: Maybe I'm spoiled by seeing Flash's anti carrier games from '08-'10 but I am always shocked when terrans don't just do the whole "sit still and kill all the interceptors" thing. It seems wayyy more consistent than losing all your goliaths to dragoons to deal 50% hit point damage to carrier hulls whilst killing nothing. more like 50% hit point damage to carrier SHIELDS which regen in 30 seconds "hur dur i play terran... i make tvz look imbalanced and practice it 90% of the time but i roll over and die to protosses and make simple micro mistakes" | ||
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Motivate
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On August 03 2018 20:09 DminusTerran wrote: For the record if you're a protoss player you might enjoy watching these matches I'm just too salty from all these carrier stomps in the KSL. im far more salty about protosses figuring out pvz let alone zergs ever beating terran | ||
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Motivate
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now i hope i get to see shine cheese sea | ||
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DminusTerran
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On August 03 2018 20:19 Motivate wrote: part of me is starting to feel that terrans are genuinely worse players than the other races now i hope i get to see shine cheese sea Can you imagine how pissed Light must be now that all Terrans(sans Flash) appear to be only practicing TvZ and then getting clowned in TvP that's been, "his thing" for like 12 years. | ||
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TaardadAiel
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On August 03 2018 19:59 asel wrote: SHARP. It is not a good move to run goliaths into a goon control group to get a volley on the carriers. At some point I almost had a seizure after seeing this for the umpteenth time. Props to Snow for consistently positioning his carrier/goon force optimally though. Just outside tank range, dive on the goliaths if you hear an unsiege, use terrain fully for carriers, micro them excellently. Although Sharp did throw stuff in the games, Snow played him into this. I don't think it was mere competence, more like excellence. I wouldn't want to rob him the credit. A Terran fan here. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
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On August 03 2018 20:09 DminusTerran wrote: For the record if you're a protoss player you might enjoy watching these matches I'm just too salty from all these carrier stomps in the KSL. I like watching all match ups and don't care which race wins. Right it seems like every game I watch is one that I would recommend. They are all so good! | ||
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DminusTerran
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On August 03 2018 20:39 Just_a_Moth wrote: I like watching all match ups and don't care which race wins. Right it seems like every game I watch is one that I would recommend. They are all so good! I agree usually I root for Zergs because I enjoy watching ZvP & ZvT. For me watching game 1 & 2 Sharp wasn't in bad position and sometimes had the advantage. However once the carrier count got above five he basically just rallied units to their death for the rest of the game. Felt like watch a boxer get pinned in the corner for a few rounds till he throws in the towel not like a back and forth bout. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1168 Posts
It looks to me that there aren't any more such all around excellent terrans such as XelloS, iloveoov, fantasy, etc. /not counting Flash obviously, as he is the 4th race.. :D | ||
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xccam
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On August 03 2018 20:56 TornadoSteve wrote: Cant believe Shine didnt get punished with that greedy 12 hatch opening It's blatantly obvious that rapid's understanding is very low. | ||
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razorsuKe
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which I think is bad for shine, he was in a good position and good mental state. | ||
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DminusTerran
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On August 03 2018 20:59 xccam wrote: It's blatantly obvious that rapid's understanding is very low. He's a nice play by play caster when co casting with Qikz in the STPL, but yeah hearing them speculate that 2 starports with control towers might be for wraiths is pretty facepalmy. | ||
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razorsuKe
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Other times incredibly brilliant situations would happen early game but the casters don't recognize the significance. | ||
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razorsuKe
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On August 03 2018 21:19 Ej_ wrote: With how often this has happened recently, I'm going to assume that kicking the cord is the new TvZ build in Korea. now that you mention it, I can only remember it happening during tvzs haha | ||
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On August 03 2018 21:32 prosatan wrote: what ?!?!?! Manner BCs ???? no no no sir !!!!!!!!! its not manner BC. | ||
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nojok
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Damn, those casters are even more ignorant than me. | ||
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DminusTerran
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Yeah it's really strong and natural transition for SK terran, was this ever a thing back in the day it seems very intuitive? | ||
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prosatan
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On August 03 2018 21:36 DminusTerran wrote: Yeah it's really strong and natural transition for SK terran, was this ever a thing back in the day it seems very intuitive? Well, if I remember correctly there was a game between JD (i love u JD) and FBH , where FBH made a BC (and also won the match ) | ||
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On August 03 2018 21:40 prosatan wrote: Well, if I remember correctly there was a game between JD (i love u JD) and FBH , where FBH made a BC (and also won the match )it comes and goes from the meta | ||
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On August 03 2018 22:13 nojok wrote: Banking 800 gas for fake spire! one more from the bag. | ||
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repomaniak
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KSL Snow interview sea ceremony KSL audience Sea cheer Sea ceremony https://clips.twitch.tv/ArborealCuriousHumanCclamChamp KSL Sea interview KSL cheers KSL cheer art | ||
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On August 03 2018 21:40 prosatan wrote: Well, if I remember correctly there was a game between JD (i love u JD) and FBH , where FBH made a BC (and also won the match )There is also the epic FBH vs Savior comeback on Python, very satisfying to watch | ||
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RAPiDCasting
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On August 03 2018 22:13 nojok wrote: Banking 800 gas for fake spire! Why max on lings and throw them all away right before spire pops? | ||
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On August 03 2018 21:11 DminusTerran wrote: He's a nice play by play caster when co casting with Qikz in the STPL, but yeah hearing them speculate that 2 starports with control towers might be for wraiths is pretty facepalmy. I believe I then said wraith a were the least likely option and Vessels were the most likely. Feel free to reach out with any constructive feedback. | ||
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Motivate
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On August 03 2018 22:54 ortseam wrote: There is also the epic FBH vs Savior comeback on Python, very satisfying to watch that was a cool game not the normal use of battlecruisers either FBH used a combination of yamato + turtling to break a stalemate | ||
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Burned Toast
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On August 04 2018 02:01 TornadoSteve wrote: Rapid and noregret arent bad... they are trying as much as they can to entertain the viewers but they just dont have the required knowledge to cast games of this level. Talking sh!t on them is completely out of line though, and i wish them best of luck for future casts. I agree. This is other members of the TL community we're talking about here. Shouldn't we support each other instead of bashing on any caster we don't like? I'm sure they already know that their BW knowledge is not up to par, but I'm also guessing they would appreciate more constructive criticism... | ||
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LG)Sabbath
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On August 04 2018 02:01 TornadoSteve wrote: Rapid and noregret arent bad... they are trying as much as they can to entertain the viewers but they just dont have the required knowledge to cast games of this level. Talking sh!t on them is completely out of line though, and i wish them best of luck for future casts. Yeah they do a good job and are energetic, I enjoy their casting. There are some funny moments, noregret today "he can do a ling runby, like in starcraft 2", yeah that's where they invented them, right? lol | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
He had to cast some games in ASL 5 I believe, we knew he wasn't knowledgeable, since he came from SC2, so we cut him a lot of slack - well, at least I did. He seemed like a smart guy, he asked the right questions and he was thinking on his feet, trying to make out stuff logically based on general RTS experience. That was great back then, actually he was refreshing. He does not seem to be improving. He still seems smart, but he lacks very, very basic knowledge again, and this is disappointing. If he is to be a BW caster, even a b-liner, it's a matter of personal pride to catch up a bit. The game has loads and loads of intricacies on this level, he can't learn them all and I believe most of the forum won't make that subtle a difference, myself included. We're talking pretty basic stuff here. I wish he would read this and use his fairly decent talent more purposefully. And Rapid is cool. Yea, we can't always like him being overenthusiastic, yeah, he lacks some knowledge too, but he definitely is improving. I prefer a calmer and more focused caster, he is sometimes way too quick to judge the outcome of an engagement, but I guess he'll put some brakes on excessive enthusiasm. It's still a cool style of casting. Keep it up, guys, improve. | ||
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Dazed.
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On August 04 2018 12:02 NoRegreT_ wrote: Keep working at it! I see improvement. I just want to say I appreciate the constructive criticism here, I'm coming from 8 years of sc2 currently I run a team house of sc2 pro gamers my time is clearly divided for mostly sc2. I'm working on my Brood war but as you all know it isn't easy to have in-depth knowledge without a tone of time to understand and play the game. I appreciate your comments and I want you to know I'm working on it. Feel free to leave me any constructive criticisms and I will keep it mind while trying to improve my self. | ||
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Beef Noodles
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On August 04 2018 12:02 NoRegreT_ wrote: I just want to say I appreciate the constructive criticism here, I'm coming from 8 years of sc2 currently I run a team house of sc2 pro gamers my time is clearly divided for mostly sc2. I'm working on my Brood war but as you all know it isn't easy to have in-depth knowledge without a tone of time to understand and play the game. I appreciate your comments and I want you to know I'm working on it. Feel free to leave me any constructive criticisms and I will keep it mind while trying to improve my self. I haven't actually logged in to TL in years, but I still follow SCBW pretty religiously, and I just wanted to say I think you did a great job. You weren't annoyingly overhyping everything. I think you made some insightful comments. I think when something actually cool happened, you showed excitement. I think overall it was great casting style. Of course you didn't know very much about the game (but I will say at times you correctly judged pretty difficult situations, which might have been a bit of guessing on your part or maybe you have good intuition for RTS games -- anyway I digress). The moment you made some pretty simple mistakes with unit names and other things, I knew there would be people who troll you, so I wanted to say please don't over-listen to them. I almost didn't say anything, because I'm not one to really post anymore, but I'm sure there are others like me that really enjoyed your casts. Please watch more BW, and I'd really like if you casted more games. I love Tasteless and Artosis, but for some reason I just really enjoyed your style and hope you do more. Anyway, just another data point. Cheers. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On August 05 2018 13:35 Beef Noodles wrote: I haven't actually logged in to TL in years, but I still follow SCBW pretty religiously, and I just wanted to say I think you did a great job. You weren't annoyingly overhyping everything. I think you made some insightful comments. I think when something actually cool happened, you showed excitement. I think overall it was great casting style. Of course you didn't know very much about the game (but I will say at times you correctly judged pretty difficult situations, which might have been a bit of guessing on your part or maybe you have good intuition for RTS games -- anyway I digress). The moment you made some pretty simple mistakes with unit names and other things, I knew there would be people who troll you, so I wanted to say please don't over-listen to them. I almost didn't say anything, because I'm not one to really post anymore, but I'm sure there are others like me that really enjoyed your casts. Please watch more BW, and I'd really like if you casted more games. I love Tasteless and Artosis, but for some reason I just really enjoyed your style and hope you do more. Anyway, just another data point. Cheers. You pointed out most of the stuff that actually make it disappointing. Noregret definitely has what it takes personality-wise to be a nice complement to Rapid. He just needs knowledge and we (his critics) would like him to try harder. That's all. | ||
GTR
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there's things called visas. living arrangements. job security. if it was up to me, i'd pack my bags and move back to korea to do brood war commentary. but the reality is, i'd be going into an uncertain situation and it wouldn't be financially feasible to do so. rapid and noregret would be the first people to agree that i'd do a much better job than them in terms of game knowledge for brood war commentary, but its just not realistic. if you don't like the commentary, just mute it or watch the korean stream - simple as that. | ||
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lamarine
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But Rapid... I wish he could slow down and think about what he's saying. It's good with all the excitement, but there is no sense what so ever in what he's saying 90% of the time =\ | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
I'm obviously just a small community caster, but Rapid is kind enough to cast with me at 4AM often times 3 times a week and he makes the experience for me super awesome. He's a great guy and a great friend. You guys need to remember Rapid casts not only Broodwar, but he casts like 8-9 other games or something and he has knowledge about every single one. His HGC casts recently were great too. Please if you're going to give criticism make sure it's actually constructive. Telling people they suck and are awful not only makes you look like an idiot but it also can hurt people. Yes these people are on a big stream casting for your entertainment, but those entertainers are people too and yes, you don't have to like everyone, but if you've got nothing nice to say why say anything at all? | ||
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On August 05 2018 12:43 FyRe_DragOn wrote: what other broodwar casters are they supposed to hire though lol Isn't Cadenzie in Korea right now at least for some time? She would probably make for a much more knowledgable cast. On August 05 2018 21:45 Qikz wrote: Rapid is a treasure to this community and I won't have a bad word said against him. NoRegret, I appreciate you learning and getting into Broodwar and the effort you put in is great so huge thanks to you for living out in Korea and doing something like this! It must be really hard so I really do look up to you for doing it. I'm obviously just a small community caster, but Rapid is kind enough to cast with me at 4AM often times 3 times a week and he makes the experience for me super awesome. He's a great guy and a great friend. You guys need to remember Rapid casts not only Broodwar, but he casts like 8-9 other games or something and he has knowledge about every single one. His HGC casts recently were great too. Please if you're going to give criticism make sure it's actually constructive. Telling people they suck and are awful not only makes you look like an idiot but it also can hurt people. Yes these people are on a big stream casting for your entertainment, but those entertainers are people too and yes, you don't have to like everyone, but if you've got nothing nice to say why say anything at all? There are missing so many basics, the most constructive criticism is to actually learn the game since every area needs a lot of improvement. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2550 Posts
On August 09 2018 00:29 Alpha-NP- wrote: Who does everyone think will win Light vs Soulkey and Jaedong vs Shuttle? I expect Soulkey vs Light to be a 3-2 match, both could win it though. JD vs Shuttle, I believe JD can close it out 3-1, but I wouldnt be too surprise if Shuttle somehow manage to take this. | ||
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