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On July 27 2018 18:15 radadaundandan wrote: Mind + Stork EZ Best is best though | ||
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On July 27 2018 19:03 mishimaBeef wrote: mind is the best terran in the tournament?? you could make an argument for it, but I'm never convinced of his TvP | ||
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On July 27 2018 19:03 mishimaBeef wrote: mind is the best terran in the tournament?? Nah, Sharp is the best Terran in the tournament. | ||
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but he was supply blocked from the recall | ||
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On July 27 2018 19:31 xccam wrote: Artosis is right that Mind needed to reinforce, but it's hard for mind because the recall had killed his depots and was supply blocked.. yea thats why you go back to fight the recall instead of pushing out gosh, why are terrans all so bad at tvp | ||
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On July 27 2018 19:35 Motivate wrote: yea thats why you go back to fight the recall instead of pushing out gosh, why are terrans all so bad at tvp It could be because TvP is hard. | ||
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i certainly dont think its as hard as zvt... zvt is a brutal match up...2 seconds of bad muta micro and you lose your third obviously 20/20 hindsight but every time i watch tvp it's quite easy to appreciate all the mistakes terrans make. pushing out while getting recalled isnt ideal, not building turrets against reavers (flash vs snow), etc | ||
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Past are the days of the dedicated PvP sniper. | ||
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On July 27 2018 20:01 prosatan wrote: Come on Mind ! do something ! He has been. You not notice the tech difference? Not lookin' good for Horang now. | ||
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On July 27 2018 20:03 Cedstick wrote: He has been. You not notice the tech difference? Not lookin' good for Horang now. Correct ! 1-1 | ||
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On July 27 2018 20:28 Warfie wrote: missed it, what happened? I missed most of it, but I think Horang2 messed up his defense, losing a reaver and therefor lost the game. | ||
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Highgamer
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suffering from that first bad engagement. Never got real momentum for him or across the map. | ||
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Like someone stated before, showing 2 probes in gaz while going dts was clever, and props to him, But going citadel rather than robo in those spots on gladiator... best of luck my friend Just seems to be a b.o. loss pretty much always, Mind just tried to 4 facts low econ roll over him and decided to skip the bay... doesnt look that smart especially when playing against a weaker opponent... anyway GL to Horang2 on the next round | ||
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Storms dodged by Stork: 0,0 lol... | ||
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On July 27 2018 21:45 Kaolla wrote: i dont understand why he didnt at least try to get vision with an observer... basically just threw away his advantage by letting the dark archon get killed without any feedbacks... i still think the idea was good, it was just badly executed... I agree, best really respected that play too though and made sure to keep them templars back until the archon was dead | ||
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On July 27 2018 22:22 TornadoSteve wrote: If Stork comes back from this ima fap with sand paper im confused as to whether this is in celebration or lamentation | ||
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The difference between the two (and in this matchup in general most of the time) is just really small and I don't feel Best is playing all that much better... | ||
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On July 27 2018 22:51 TornadoSteve wrote: Well... fml So uh, when's the video? xD | ||
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nobody wants to see that | ||
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Stork fighting! | ||
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On July 27 2018 22:22 TornadoSteve wrote: If Stork comes back from this ima fap with sand paper Tornado Steve hahaha ! what are u doing now?  | ||
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On July 27 2018 22:56 PVJ wrote: And Winner's match is another PvP against Horang2. Stork has a good chance of getting out of the group at least. Will be rooting for him~~! I root for Stork of course ! but we must remember Horang2 as a PvP expert !! | ||
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But i am somebody! | ||
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On July 27 2018 22:54 Kaolla wrote: disagree. stork looked strategically better, but mechanically best was clearly better, and overall I would say going into this match, odds would of been on best.Man Artosis and Tasteless really pretending like its a huge upset, while Stork simply played better and messed up in game 1, then got a BO loss in game 2, but he's been looking the better player all night... Well played by Stork, great games by him (despite the fact that he should've won game 1)... Great games tonight~ | ||
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razorsuKe
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nobody wants to see it, but we need to make sure we didn't get bamboozled by false claims. | ||
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wrong thread sorry | ||
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On July 28 2018 07:36 razorsuKe wrote: nobody wants to see it, but we need to make sure we didn't get bamboozled by false claims. It's a good game to see. | ||
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These are dark times for TvP, Mind who is supposedly top 3 TvP can't even beat Horang, imagine what would happen if he plays Snow/Rain/Mini. | ||
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On July 28 2018 05:05 Dazed. wrote: disagree. stork looked strategically better, but mechanically best was clearly better, and overall I would say going into this match, odds would of been on best. Easy to say when you can see their apm, but just looking at the game and ignoring that fact that we all know Stork is just not as fast as most other protosses, where did that show in the games exactly? Because I didn't see that anywhere and its not like his macro was bad or anything. The only thing i can think about is that attack with the double shuttle, but that was not so much an apm related fuck up there (just like the failed attack in game 1 had nothing to do with control). So where exactly did Best look that much better? Or are you just looking at the apm counter and saying Best looked better because of that? His awesome control didn't stop probes from entering his base like pretty much every game except the BO win, that's for sure. | ||
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On July 29 2018 17:12 Kaolla wrote: Easy to say when you can see their apm, but just looking at the game and ignoring that fact that we all know Stork is just not as fast as most other protosses, where did that show in the games exactly? Because I didn't see that anywhere and its not like his macro was bad or anything. The only thing i can think about is that attack with the double shuttle, but that was not so much an apm related fuck up there (just like the failed attack in game 1 had nothing to do with control). So where exactly did Best look that much better? Or are you just looking at the apm counter and saying Best looked better because of that? His awesome control didn't stop probes from entering his base like pretty much every game except the BO win, that's for sure. 2 of Stork's wins were longer by 4 minutes because Best kept out-microing him in battles. It was blatantly obvious. Targetting, super quick storms etc. However, Best lost the build order battle. It's a PvP after all. | ||
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On July 27 2018 22:58 xccam wrote: Stork may only have 1 good matchup, PvP, but that was an exciting series! Stork fighting! His PvT is incredible, you ignorant pissant. User was warned for this post | ||
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On July 29 2018 18:37 oshibori_probe wrote: His PvT is incredible, you ignorant pissant. Currently? I don't agree. This month in Spon Matches he is 23-44 vs terran including 3-17 vs last and 4-8 vs Sharp. His only non-losing records vs T this month (with 5 or more games played) are 6-6 vs Light, 5-4 vs rush, and 3-2 vs ForGG - not earth shattering victories. At the moment his PvP is his only match up I am confident in, and I'm a Stork fan. | ||
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On July 29 2018 23:57 Alpha-NP- wrote: Stork against Horang2 will be amazing. I’m feeling ASL5 level hype for this tournament. Just wish they’d get a third caster that played Zerg and was knowledgeable like Artosis. Time to brush up | ||
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On July 29 2018 23:57 Alpha-NP- wrote: Stork against Horang2 will be amazing. I’m feeling ASL5 level hype for this tournament. Just wish they’d get a third caster that played Zerg and was knowledgeable like Artosis. time to fly in ty2 or jaeyun | ||
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On July 29 2018 17:12 Kaolla wrote: APM has nothing to do with mechanics and only a retard thinks that, frankly. It showed in their micro and macro, pretty consistently best was doing better in that regard. The failed attack in game 1 had something to do with control, it had a lot to do with positioning and game knowledge. Honestly, even though best lost the series, he clearly looked like the better player-- in everything outside of strategy. If the series was replayed a dozen times best would win the majority.Easy to say when you can see their apm, but just looking at the game and ignoring that fact that we all know Stork is just not as fast as most other protosses, where did that show in the games exactly? Because I didn't see that anywhere and its not like his macro was bad or anything. The only thing i can think about is that attack with the double shuttle, but that was not so much an apm related fuck up there (just like the failed attack in game 1 had nothing to do with control). So where exactly did Best look that much better? Or are you just looking at the apm counter and saying Best looked better because of that? His awesome control didn't stop probes from entering his base like pretty much every game except the BO win, that's for sure. | ||
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On July 28 2018 05:05 Dazed. wrote: disagree. stork looked strategically better, but mechanically best was clearly better, and overall I would say going into this match, odds would of been on best. Yes I agree on that too, Stork played kind of brilantly in terms of gameplan, then at some points excecuted not so well (or maybe just not at the same level Best can do). When you have played this game for years and you face a stronger opponent there's a way of using the fact that "he knows he's better and you know he's better" to a strategic advantage. I got that feeling from Stork. Congratulations to him, bringing down Best in a "best of" series is not easy task for anyone these days, he definitely beat the odds in this round. Fighting! | ||
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On July 29 2018 14:29 Dante08 wrote: Mind played so bad on Circuit Breaker. He was in a good position when Horang lost 3 dragoons trying to snipe his tank. And then he scans Carriers and doesn't take his 4th for like 5mins? How do you not take that 4th immediately when you know Horang is on 3 base and making Carriers, he will not have enough units to attack you. These are dark times for TvP, Mind who is supposedly top 3 TvP can't even beat Horang, imagine what would happen if he plays Snow/Rain/Mini. Terrans are just awful at TvP with the possible exception of Flash. I don’t think it’s just because it’s a “hard match up”. They were doing a lot better in the KESPA era. | ||
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On July 30 2018 02:17 Dazed. wrote: APM has nothing to do with mechanics and only a retard thinks that, frankly. It showed in their micro and macro, pretty consistently best was doing better in that regard. The failed attack in game 1 had something to do with control, it had a lot to do with positioning and game knowledge. Honestly, even though best lost the series, he clearly looked like the better player-- in everything outside of strategy. If the series was replayed a dozen times best would win the majority. That failed attack in game 1 was just a sticking to a plan that could never work and having his DA taking all the hits. You can say Best targeted it down well, but it wasnt too hard since it was the unit upfront. I seem to miss what micro you are talking about exactly too, as there were very few battles aside from the major game deciding ones. I would love to hear some examples of this clear and obvious better play from Best though, because I have not seen much of that. Did not watch the games back, so i might be wrong, but I don't think Best ever looked like the 'clearly better player' in this series. | ||
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On July 30 2018 13:16 Motivate wrote: Terrans are just awful at TvP with the possible exception of Flash. I don’t think it’s just because it’s a “hard match up”. They were doing a lot better in the KESPA era. A lot of the best tvpers don't play the game anymore. namely all of the SKT terrans. + the Protoss around these days were known as Pvt specialists back in the day for the most part. | ||
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On July 30 2018 22:48 Qikz wrote: A lot of the best tvpers don't play the game anymore. namely all of the SKT terrans. + the Protoss around these days were known as Pvt specialists back in the day for the most part. No Fantasy really hurts the most imo, as much as I hate to say it to you of all people. | ||
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I don't follow the scene day to day but I heard that somewhere and was surprised and happy to see him here winning! | ||
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