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EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
March 20 2018 17:09 GMT
#141
Super excited about Snow getting through this group - he was the only one in the group I was rooting for. I hope he proves Tastosis wrong about his PvZ (as long as it's not vs Jaedong), it's been looking really solid from the streams I've seen.
wat
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
March 20 2018 17:45 GMT
#142
dat proxy robo by Snow :D
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-20 18:33:57
March 20 2018 18:33 GMT
#143
On March 20 2018 20:52 GTR wrote:
last bombing out in the ro24 twice, even struggling to qualify this season.
i think it's safe to say he's the most overrated player right now.
Savior failed to even qualify for the osl multiple times when he was bonjwa, so...
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
gabrielverlaine
Profile Joined March 2018
4 Posts
March 20 2018 18:51 GMT
#144
Hm, not good for my liquibet but I'm satisfied with Miso and Snow pushing through. Didn't even know that Miso=Where until reading the thread.
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
March 20 2018 18:57 GMT
#145
On March 20 2018 23:50 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I wish Flash would grow some **** and choose a Protoss. TvZ too easy for Flash.

TvP is also too easy for Flash. Remember the ASL4 semifinals against Bisu? Flash crushed that scrub so bad that he ran away to the army.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
March 20 2018 19:59 GMT
#146
Glad Miso made it! SouL fighting!
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10431 Posts
March 20 2018 20:23 GMT
#147
I don't understand how a pro player like Last can lack the technical knowledge to realize that his game 1 strategy was on a losing path and to not deviate from that strategy for the entire game. Does he not understand how devourers work or did he think Where would never get Devourers?
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
March 20 2018 20:48 GMT
#148
Definitely the most interesting group we had so far. Miso's game vs snow was very fun to watch, very intense, and the proxy slow reaver gambit to break the bunker defense is a piece of genius. He actually wants the terran to get turrets blind - they are playing against Snow. A great, great game, though I'm a bit heartbroken, being a terran player.

That being said, Last totally deserved to lose against Miso, what was he thinking? Terran air superiority is on a clock on Sparkle, unless you expand like mad behind the pressure and then tech to BCs or use the window to drop several expansions at once.

Mong, on the other hand, just had pretty much everything against him. Last has a consistently better TvT than Mong and he had to play one of the best, if not the best, reaver user - on an island map.
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
March 20 2018 22:04 GMT
#149
Last is terrible, making turrets, attacking with scvs. Wtf was that? He could have switched to Marines and drop.

Why was he making a control tower?!! Didn't he watch all pvts in Gladiator? The main spot for proxy robo...
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
March 20 2018 22:57 GMT
#150
How could they buff Terran against Zerg on a map patch to Sparkle?
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
March 20 2018 23:09 GMT
#151
On March 21 2018 07:57 Alpha-NP- wrote:
How could they buff Terran against Zerg on a map patch to Sparkle?


Sample size seems a bit too small to jump to conclusion.

Isn't weird that, from what i saw in practice (been watching a ton of pro players stream especially when the maps first were released), Zerg would get crushed on Sparkle by Terran, but when it comes to pro matches they prepared much better build.

Zerg seems to have a lot of options on that map. Shine opening 4hatch before pool into hydra drops, and Miso opening with a super quick spire (similar to a zvz build sort of). I think the latter will become the standard on this map.
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
March 21 2018 06:10 GMT
#152
i enjoy tasteless&artosis casts alot for the entertainment value of course

but as often its a bit annoying when they display the lack of basic game knowledge,

they thought proxy robo with the first reaver rushing to attack the bunker was ''a new style'' or play

this is so silly when you think of it they describe it as a hardcounter to the rax cc witch they are correct
but if you think about that you know immediately it has been around since terrans started doing that rax cc expands builds..

so that is since like what?? 2005 2006ish?

i know for sure the proxy robo build is nothing new and the use of reaver in that matter.
every protoss / terran users knows how important the bunker is and how easy it is to take down with reaver splash damage infact its something everyprotoss always try to do when they proxy robo get a few shots of on the bunker (can kill ALOT of scv in that matter even if you dont take down the bunker) if fails fly into the main or either bulldog or elevator its just normal tactics if you choose to go proxy robo to counter the rax cc..

back to the group C god im DEVASTED by this Last such a incredible master at his game blind sighted by an obvious spot to build the proxy even scouting for this but checks only one side!? of the map wtf just my mind is puzzled how could this happen. ( i guess Last fallen into the trap of thinking it was 2gate ranged goon or at least just goon pressure since the goon count piled up quickly and he hadn't been able to scout only saw just goons walking towards him and didn see any proxy robo yet still scouted for this.
i bet he wanted to scout with another scv but it was already to late too high goon count at the front of the natural very quickly one of those super gimmicky aspects of that map like how hydra busts are super deadly and just can drop protosses dead with eaz on the map.)
and than yea its just so salty the build is so hardcounter to the rax cc no matter how good you are you can just lose to this

what happened between snow/last reminds me alot of how Horang2 took out Flash in msl on the same map blind sighting him 2 proxy gates dark in front of the natural flash scouting it to little too late
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8499 Posts
March 21 2018 06:26 GMT
#153
This was a good group - and a surprising one. I thought Where would finish last but he looked quite solid.

Last looked kind of bad on Sparkle. No pressure, no expanding? He did nothing in that game and let Where go up to 6 bases uncontested. He deserved to drop out.

I feel a bit bad for Mong but this wasn't the group for him to get out of unfortunately.

I don't know about Snow. His PvT seems sharp but I would have liked to see a full game against Last. That build in game 5 proved his balls of steel for sure. I mean, that robo + gateway placement was literally just out of sight and could have easily been scouted. But yeah, without the scout it was a walk-over.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-21 06:51:33
March 21 2018 06:50 GMT
#154
That last game was sick. He just busted the front but what made it that amazing was the placement of the robo. So close but I think Snow constantly moving the probe in help keep it hidden since Last kept aiming for the probe. I don't fault Last for losing that game but his first game was terribad. The start was decent but he expanded so slowly and left Miso to just expand all over before he just rolled over. Then there was the mass turret thing, funny, sure but cmon, drop something, anything! Even I realize that mass wraiths/valks will only work for so long and try to make a late transition. Dunno what he was thinking, maybe he just really didn't know how to play the map?

Sad about Mong but that game vs Mong was really cool. He microed like a champ early on when he dropped Snow's exp but it went downhill and he never recovered. Reavers too strong! ;p
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4984 Posts
March 21 2018 07:02 GMT
#155
I think ffa and ums experience really helps making decisions on island maps. And of course multitasking.
If only we could have seen Bisu play on Sparkle...
We needed this map back in 2009. So much potential for sick games...
FBH #1!
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
March 21 2018 12:16 GMT
#156
On March 21 2018 02:04 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 01:45 crbox wrote:
I had last and mong on my liquibet -.-

Gotta take into consideration that maps are constructed to shut FlaSh down. I was suprised Mind qualified, but then again he got a TvT=)

Also, the answer to SnOw's build is to scout the proxy robo and bunker rush it. fyi


That still doesn't sound good though. It's not like early game bunker rushing where Z/P have workers and no units. Here, you're walking into 4 goons with SCVs and 4 marines. The marines cannot be guarded by the SCVs since the goons can just snipe them anyways. This is the whole reason T sits behind the bunker at this stage in the first place. So you're really just throwing a bunch of SCVs out there to get a bunker up and having 6 marines or so come in after its done, hoping to get a few into the bunker and eventually take down the building? At that point, even if you get the bunker up you're going to take pretty heavy losses. The Protoss should easily come out ahead even when they lose the proxy just because you're investing so many workers to get a single bunker up without units supporting it.
Sweet.
geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-22 14:27:10
March 21 2018 16:04 GMT
#157
Last is always one of the best practice partners ever. When true pro-gamers return to the scene then he goes back to what he does best - practice games.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
March 21 2018 17:25 GMT
#158
been around since terrans started doing that rax cc expands builds..

so that is since like what?? 2005 2006ish?
No...try 2010...
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
March 21 2018 17:37 GMT
#159
On March 22 2018 02:25 Dazed. wrote:
Show nested quote +
been around since terrans started doing that rax cc expands builds..

so that is since like what?? 2005 2006ish?
No...try 2010...


People were doing Rax Double in late 2008. It was map dependent though.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
March 21 2018 17:49 GMT
#160
On March 22 2018 02:37 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 02:25 Dazed. wrote:
been around since terrans started doing that rax cc expands builds..

so that is since like what?? 2005 2006ish?
No...try 2010...


People were doing Rax Double in late 2008. It was map dependent though.
Which maps?
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