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[MBCGame vs CJ]13 May Shinhan Proleague 2007

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QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-12 15:07:19
May 12 2007 11:37 GMT
#1
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Shinhan Bank Proleague 2007 @ OnGameNet
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Saint[z-zone] (Z) < Monty Hall > sAviOr[gm] (Z)
Bisu (P) < Tau Cross > Much[gm] (P)
Light[aLive] (T)/TheZerg[HyO] (Z) < Vampire > Sea.Jy (Z)/TheManiaMST (T)
HyuN(Z) < Nemesis > DarkElf (T)
Ace Match < Geometry >

[spoiler=results]
Saint < Savior
Bisu < Much (RAPE)
Light[alive]/TheZerg[HyO] > Sea.Jy / TheManiaMst One man stronghold.
Hyun < Darkelf(Sloppy plays and mistakes, but entertaining.)
3-1 CJ
Predictions: Wrong again
+ Show Spoiler +
1.) First real zvz on monty hall. Looking forward to possible ling slipping action or full on muta warfare. I expect a quick aggressive rush on rush or passive buildup. Saint[z-zone] is a great player and I expect him to give a good fight. 65-35 in favor of Savior.
2.) PvP, battle of the minds. I'll put my bets on Bisu, his PvP has thrashed nal_ra and even from his olden amateur replay days, he crushed his fellow protoss players within the 12 minute range. Much's epic series vs Terato was a nice show, but this isn't blitz or one of those extensively long paths from main to main. I predict both players get their nats running, and one of them goes for the neck thrust, a make or break attack. 55-45 in favor of Bisu.
3.) Light and themania are pretty on par with their TvZ micro. Sea.jy and thezerg are also eerily similar, with sea.jy having more emphasis on macro. But fuck that, this is 2v2, anything goes, and in a TZ vs TZ competition on this map, the terrans must hold the foundation to support their zerg partner. (In retrospect of the SKT1 vs MBC final] MBC for this, I think light is the stronger player, assuming both players on the other side don't try anything ballsy.
4.) Nemesis sucks for Z/P. Darkelf is a douche. I want the zergy to win, but I haven't seen a game where a zerg does. I haven't seen any games on this zerg yet, but I'm putting in some blind faith he kicks this fag's ass. 3-1 MBc gogo


Summaries:
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +
Basically both players expanded to their horizontal naturals followed by another gas. saint opted to get some spore colonies to hold off any early mutalisk action. however, savior went straight up all out mutalisks and eventually got way more than saint

after one huge mutalisk battle, savior comes out on top by about 12 mutalisks. saint types out immediately thereafter. day[9]

+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Bisu was looking good, defending properly and keeping an eye on Much's shuttle/reaver. He had an early expansion too.

But Bisu, thinking that he wouldn't be able to save his expansion against a strong push or reaver drop, canceled his expansion. Then Much comes in with a large goon/zealot force and double reavers inside of a shuttle and rapes Bisu's army.

Two of Much's reavers then sit in front of Bisu's gateways along with a handful of dragoons, raping everything that pops out. GG WhatisProtoss

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
Light going 8rax(far out of main) and 9pool for thezerg... Looks like they really wanna win this one...ling/marine force making a move on ThemaniaMST. Bunkering behind his minerals, he has a bunker up though. it can only cut off a little of his mining and kill a depot. Sea.Jy countering/harassing TheZerg. Light[Alive] brings a vulture to Sea.jy, kills some lings and drones. thezerg kills jy''s defensive sunken. 2 goli and 1 vulture against about 14 infantry. TheZerg has bad muta vs infantry micro,that's ok though he brings 24 lings and rapes the small infantry army. CJ gets royally screwed and types out. Combo of LastRomantic + red.venom
Light played a very nice 2v2.
That was all Light.

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Hyun at 7 and Darkelf at 1. A pool up for Hyun with 6 zerglings hatching. Hatchery started in main for Hyun. Darkelf has his rax up.Darkelf trying a proxy fac at 5. Lings in Darkelf's base, but can't do anything thanks to marines protecting the mineral line. Hyun accidently cancelled his expansion hatch. While Darkelf expanded.. He only made 1 vult with his proxy fac, his attempt to lift it into hyuns base was denied. Vulture gets 7 kills, Hyun goes lurker instead of muta. hyun had a pretty decent center force again and tried to attack when DE started to move out.. Another battle with DE sitting on the top of his ramp happened, hyun had pretty big losses and ran back. Darkelf moves out with a minute MMF force and three vessels, promptly loses one of the vessels to scourges and runs back. Hyun presses the attack. Darkelf holds him off while losing another vessel. DEFILER OUT FOR HYUN! Now Darkelf moving out with two vessels, two tanks and a decent MMF force. Heading for Hyun's base... Darkelf being careless with his vessels though. Darkelf sets up at the foot of Hyun's ramp. Lings come from behind to attack tanks, but they're chased off by MM. Darkelf moves up the ramp for the kill and Hyun GGs. StoryTeller / red.venom

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Darkelf you fag.

Tarte
Profile Joined October 2006
Canada933 Posts
May 12 2007 11:40 GMT
#2
My prediction :

Saint[z-zone] (Z) < sAviOr[gm] (Z)
Bisu (P) > Much[gm] (P)
Light[aLive] (T)/TheZerg[HyO] (Z) > Sea.Jy (Z)/TheManiaMST (T)
HyuN(Z) > DarkElf (T)
L O V E Y O U
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
May 12 2007 11:43 GMT
#3
Im loving the Darkelf hate. :D
Broom
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20667 Posts
May 12 2007 11:57 GMT
#4
As opposed to "fake zvz"?

What was cool vs firefist?
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QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
May 12 2007 11:58 GMT
#5
On May 12 2007 20:57 LastRomantic wrote:
As opposed to "fake zvz"?

What was cool vs firefist?

?? Don't recall that game, describe.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20667 Posts
May 12 2007 12:00 GMT
#6
It was ZvZ on monty hall, for ace match. eStro sent cool, expecting NaDa, but got Firefist instead.

There was some ling glitching through walls, and some mutalisk action. It was pretty standard zvz fare though. Cool got owned by lings in the end.
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QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-12 12:05:25
May 12 2007 12:05 GMT
#7
Didn't see that game :>. I'm just saying Savior's ZvZ is pretty nasty and nearly unpredictable. Saint beat him in WCG prelim last year didn't he? Its a real ZvZ, because I've seen these players play this mu very formidably and this is the first ZvZ on monty I will see. But I guess it wasn't first :>
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20667 Posts
May 12 2007 12:05 GMT
#8
Ah alright, fair enough.

If both players can survive the early stages, it will get to HUGE mutalisk numbers. I'm hoping for YellOw vs GGPlay style, though it probably won't happen.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-12 12:09:44
May 12 2007 12:08 GMT
#9
I'm not so sure about ling slipping action on Monty Hall, but I haven't seen a ZvZ on it.[edit: guess I'll go watch that earlier ZvZ on Monty Hall] What kind of builds do people use? I'm guessing FE is viable? The risk/reward for going fast pool seems pretty low to me without knowing anything, seeing as mining out those entrances takes a good 8 drone trips--guessing wrong would be pretty slow.

DarkElf's infamous last words and demise: + Show Spoiler +

plz die

/jumps off bandwagon
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20667 Posts
May 12 2007 12:11 GMT
#10
You don't actually need to mine ANY of them out.

Glitch through one drone

glitch through 2 lings

1/3 chance of finding his multi

if not, glitch lings again, and they'll be in his main.

Granted, I still think hatch first will be stronger, but it doesn't take THAT Long to hit him with zlings
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vin~
Profile Joined March 2007
Trinidad/Tobago7 Posts
May 12 2007 12:27 GMT
#11
GO HERO!
Corinthos *
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada1842 Posts
May 12 2007 12:28 GMT
#12
HMmm
Saint[z-zone] (Z) < sAviOr[gm] (Z)
Bisu (P) < Much[gm] (P)
Light[aLive] (T)/TheZerg[HyO] (Z) > Sea.Jy (Z)/TheManiaMST (T)
HyuN(Z) < DarkElf (T)

CJ!
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-12 12:31:39
May 12 2007 12:30 GMT
#13
On May 12 2007 21:11 LastRomantic wrote:
You don't actually need to mine ANY of them out.

Glitch through one drone

glitch through 2 lings

1/3 chance of finding his multi

if not, glitch lings again, and they'll be in his main.

Granted, I still think hatch first will be stronger, but it doesn't take THAT Long to hit him with zlings


I think its more 1/2, scouting overlord goes one of the expo paths early on. But then again, zerg may just run it through the center toward the enemy main, but even at that direction, he can check if he took the center expo right? :X The time required to get it running would be nearly be equal to the time the overload reaches there.

Unless your talking about a real fast ling production, then yeah fuck what I said.
defenestrate
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
May 12 2007 13:02 GMT
#14
Why the antipathy toward DE? He's not a consistently great terran, but his gameplay is a hell of a lot more fun to watch than Bifrost-flavored turtle-macro.
We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 12 2007 13:04 GMT
#15
On May 12 2007 22:02 defenestrate wrote:
Why the antipathy toward DE? He's not a consistently great terran, but his gameplay is a hell of a lot more fun to watch than Bifrost-flavored turtle-macro.


I think it's because he switched over from WC3...

IIRC
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20667 Posts
May 12 2007 13:08 GMT
#16
DE also?

There are more besides Freedom? :O
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51712 Posts
May 12 2007 13:09 GMT
#17
On May 12 2007 22:04 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2007 22:02 defenestrate wrote:
Why the antipathy toward DE? He's not a consistently great terran, but his gameplay is a hell of a lot more fun to watch than Bifrost-flavored turtle-macro.


I think it's because he switched over from WC3...

IIRC


He did?

I don't think he did, I remember in the XellOs documentary (which was filmed 2004-2005), that Kim Sung Ki (Darkelf) is a new player.... he practices alot.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-12 13:11:09
May 12 2007 13:10 GMT
#18
I only vaguely recall it from somewhere, don't spread the rumour yet

edit:

Okay, I guess not.

I wasn't so sure in the first place. Although that would perfectly explain why people hate him other than his physical appearance.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
May 12 2007 13:10 GMT
#19
I don't remember DE coming over from w3. I think part of the DE hate is that he's like Child in that he's good enough to get into the major leagues, and knock fan favorites out, but not good enough to play for the league win.
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QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
May 12 2007 13:11 GMT
#20
1.) HE UGLY.
2.) He beats my favorite players by gay homo-map related means.
3.) He is plain, he is just another goodfriend clone. He only appears slightly entertaining because his opponent is doing all the fancy work that gives the flash.
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