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Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
April 18 2007 18:33 GMT
#261
Then Terran could always do exactly this and every Zerg would always lose to it. You think that's smarter than playing safe?
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
April 18 2007 18:34 GMT
#262
keke got raped by stork
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 18 2007 18:35 GMT
#263
On April 19 2007 03:33 Brutalisk wrote:
Then Terran could always do exactly this and every Zerg would always lose to it. You think that's smarter than playing safe?
untill scouting tells otherwise...
if all terrans did it, then zerg would catchon very quick and terran would lose, because 3rax is inferior unless its completely out of the blue (ie hwasin vs july today)
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
April 18 2007 18:37 GMT
#264
On April 19 2007 03:30 Brutalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2007 03:14 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
On April 19 2007 03:12 Brutalisk wrote:
What about this fucking "I don't build any sunk and will lose to the first 10 m&m" style? 2 sunks would have been enough and no big waste of money...

hwasin went 1 rax CC then immediately threw down 2 more raxes before his acad. he got a lot of rines early and july never saw it coming. 2 sunks early would've been a waste against a more standard terran build and you can't afford to give up anything to a 1 rax CCing terran or you'll get rolled in 8-10 min.


It's far too greedy/risky not to get any sunks at the start, and it's better not to die after 5 minutes so you can get mutas/lurks. How the game develops then, no one can tell. But if you're so greedy and don't get any sunks because you HOPE that the Terran does a particular build then don't act surprised if you die in 5 fucking minutes like some BNet newbie.

yea thats a great idea. build sunks and slow down your drone count/eco and then the terran will kill you 5 min later with a huge army.

instead of taking the necessary risks to try to gain an advantage later, just give the advantage to the terran right now and wait for your inevitable loss. good idea.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 18:42:53
April 18 2007 18:41 GMT
#265
On April 19 2007 03:35 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2007 03:33 Brutalisk wrote:
Then Terran could always do exactly this and every Zerg would always lose to it. You think that's smarter than playing safe?
untill scouting tells otherwise...
if all terrans did it, then zerg would catchon very quick and terran would lose, because 3rax is inferior unless its completely out of the blue (ie hwasin vs july today)

exactly. if terrans did this every game, they might win the first few, but eventually the zerg will adapt and it won't be an invincible build.

just like how savior used to dominate terrans with his muta control. terrans couldn't handle it for a while but now they've adapted to the level of muta micro that the top zergs have. it took a while, but they've figured out how to slow it down while staying in the game.

with your way of thinking, the terrans then should've just built 20 turrets right? i mean..play it safe, completely nullify the threat of mutas (all the while letting them take 6 gas and run you over 5 min later).
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
~chut~
Profile Joined September 2003
France1317 Posts
April 18 2007 18:42 GMT
#266
Hwasin in... That's another useless terran in this osl. It looks like it will be incredibly boring
Da_PlayerX
Profile Joined January 2006
Bulgaria1304 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 18:45:56
April 18 2007 18:44 GMT
#267
u cant say hwasin is useless. he is the one who took 2 games from savior in bo5, and won against him in bo1 when nobody couldn't.
so show some respect to players who atually do something

edit: no offence but think about it
tvt msg me anytime
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
April 18 2007 18:45 GMT
#268
anytime and july are both much more exciting players though =(.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 18 2007 18:47 GMT
#269
On April 19 2007 03:44 Da_PlayerX wrote:
u cant say hwasin is useless. he is the one who took 2 games from savior in bo5, and won against him in bo1 when nobody couldn't.
so show some respect to players who atually do something

edit: no offence but think about it
the fact that this makes a whopping 8 terrans in this osl
2 zerg
1 protoss?
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Da_PlayerX
Profile Joined January 2006
Bulgaria1304 Posts
April 18 2007 18:49 GMT
#270
well plexa why on earth the Ultimate Great protoss race didn't qualifyed more tosses?
is it out fault?
tvt msg me anytime
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 18:51:35
April 18 2007 18:50 GMT
#271
On April 19 2007 03:49 Da_PlayerX wrote:
well plexa why on earth the Ultimate Great protoss race didn't qualifyed more tosses?
is it out fault?
thats not the point...
the point is, more terran = more tvt, and tvt = boring

at this rate its likely to be a nada/iris final because they are insanely good at tvt...

this is like the time casy won his osl, 99% of games were tvz/tvt, the two mu's that he was good at

this is even worse because its basicly only terran..
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Da_PlayerX
Profile Joined January 2006
Bulgaria1304 Posts
April 18 2007 18:51 GMT
#272
On April 19 2007 03:50 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2007 03:49 Da_PlayerX wrote:
well plexa why on earth the Ultimate Great protoss race didn't qualifyed more tosses?
is it out fault?
thats not the point...
the point is, more terran = more tvt, and tvt = boring
lol
tvt msg me anytime
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
April 18 2007 18:51 GMT
#273
its ok, more terrans for savior to own.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4411 Posts
April 18 2007 18:52 GMT
#274
Well its true that NaDa pretty much says "thank you" for every Terran that makes it in OSL :-)
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 18 2007 18:52 GMT
#275
On April 19 2007 03:51 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
its ok, more terrans for savior to own.
if savior gets elim i will be ever so pissed
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Da_PlayerX
Profile Joined January 2006
Bulgaria1304 Posts
April 18 2007 18:53 GMT
#276
i preffer nada vs iris/oov/hwasin/etc/etc/etc than
soOo(or whatever) vs Child(or whatever)
tvt msg me anytime
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 18 2007 18:55 GMT
#277
On April 19 2007 03:53 Da_PlayerX wrote:
i preffer nada vs iris/oov/hwasin/etc/etc/etc than
soOo(or whatever) vs Child(or whatever)
i prefer, anytime vs nada, julyzerg vs nada as opposed to hwasin vs nada
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Da_PlayerX
Profile Joined January 2006
Bulgaria1304 Posts
April 18 2007 18:56 GMT
#278
you will have to wait for anytime vs nada
but i want july nada too
lets just finish it ok i understand yr point
tvt msg me anytime
~chut~
Profile Joined September 2003
France1317 Posts
April 18 2007 18:58 GMT
#279
On April 19 2007 03:44 Da_PlayerX wrote:
u cant say hwasin is useless. he is the one who took 2 games from savior in bo5, and won against him in bo1 when nobody couldn't.
so show some respect to players who atually do something

edit: no offence but think about it


Iris took 2 games from Savior like very few days after Hwasin. And Bisu took him down 3-0 just after. And he wasn't the only one who won bo1 against him (Midas did it too)
Yeah, he has a good tvz, but that's about it. It's not exactly spectacular either. And in an osl where there are 2 zerg only, it will be perfectly useless.

I'm looking again at jkilla's thread about gom tv msl. Apart from Savior, Hwasin won against Pusan on a silly map that got edited just after because he abused a place to drop a tank when it wasn't supposed to happen, against Silver who ZvT is considered awful at this level, and Light who had one of the worst TvT last year and said it was his weakness. It's not that amazing imo.

Btw, can any admin edit jkilla article about MSL history? I noticed a few mistakes and posted them a while ago but it seems he didn't see it.
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
April 18 2007 18:58 GMT
#280
bifrost > july wtffffffffffffff =(.

an OSL isn't an OSL without july.

anytime better beat the shit out of him again.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
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