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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
preferably idra tho...his TvZ is better than skews | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
On April 13 2007 01:11 Ruehl wrote: If you win the USA WCG you win some money and being the best in the US matters too. Well aware, since ive competed in half a dozen wcgs, including the nationals. But we dont play bw for the money? And bragging rights are limited, since generally the best of usa dont show to the finals or when they do they make excuses. Not to mention most of the great usa players dont even play anymore  | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
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rS.NonY
United States286 Posts
and as far as the greatest usa players not playing anymore... well, it doesn't even make sense. If they aren't playing, then they're not good anymore. And if you're going to count on just potential, then the fact is that the greatest USA players don't even own BW. They are geniuses doing other things with their lives than playing BW | ||
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NerO
United States2071 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11575 Posts
Assem as far as i know still plays Nyoken still plays LastGosu still plays am I missing someone? | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
I want to attend the US Open if its in LA again, last year it was 15 minutes from my house but I was with my gf that day so couldnt come IMO USA will do much better in WCG this year, it seems like USA gamers are making a comeback in the community... and we've got a few people who are active enough to make some noise at WCG. Hopefully Idra and Day and do pretty well, since they seem like the most active at the moment. | ||
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
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NerO
United States2071 Posts
On April 13 2007 19:50 CaucasianAsian wrote: Rekrul still plays sometimes Assem as far as i know still plays Nyoken still plays LastGosu still plays am I missing someone? froz/wizard/whear/maynard/tsu/ilnp?/rekrul(if u take out bet games he plays 3games a year) <3 rek im forgetting some but this was off the top of my head | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
 though i dont think tsu's name belongs up there :x He was a legend, sure, but so was NTT, and once people got good enough to realize mass scv isnt a valid strat, he stopped being idolized Same with Tsu's random strats, though inventive and great for bw, not viable nowadays.So thats what i meant NoNy, the idea that several players could pickup the game and dominate with less than a month's practice, just chose not to. I dont mean to belittle anyone by my opinions though, cause thats what they are, just opinions. I havent seen an artosis replay in probably... 2yrs? He could very well be way better than anyone who has ever played from the usa, but still think that at least froz/assem/rekrul could dominate anyone in usa with a month's practice. Perhaps its biased, infact it probably is | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
And I am tired of people living in the past with US names. They are great players and pioneers of the sport for us. But as it is, stop listing them as "top" players. They dont play and when they do it is for an event, league or fun and they barely make a splash. There are of course a few exceptions like Ret/Smuft/FroZ(to a degree) who have come back and actually done some damage. | ||
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Colbi
United States535 Posts
On April 14 2007 01:13 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I think FroZ has the talent to be a top player in the USA within a month for sure. Rekrul as well to a degree. But to say "dominate" absolutely not. Only Assem has that level these days that I would go as far as to say "dominate." Whear is out of his time and would need a lot longer to get even "top" status. And Froz has come back SEVERAL times and absolutely not "dominated." with MORE than a month of practice. Believe it or not USA actually has several players that are considered "top" on the non korean scene atm and being as such they dont get "dominated" typically by players. They may lose more than they win vs the Testie, Mondragon, Draco PJ's of the world but they dont get dominated. Myself included. And I am tired of people living in the past with US names. They are great players and pioneers of the sport for us. But as it is, stop listing them as "top" players. They dont play and when they do it is for an event, league or fun and they barely make a splash. There are of course a few exceptions like Ret/Smuft/FroZ(to a degree) who have come back and actually done some damage. Amen! I couldn't agree with you more. So many people are still living in the past about who the best players in the USA are...were no longer living in 2002-2004. There's plenty of rising talent coming from the USA and yes even our best can compete with many of the "top" outside of South Korea. | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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rS.NonY
United States286 Posts
i think that most top players who could return from retirement and do well have spent some period in their life where they practiced a lot and very seriously. there are a lot of other players that have never practiced hard but they havent quit for long periods of time either. they get on bnet, play ~3 serious games in a night, obs 5 games, play a few UMS, etc, but they never completely quit BW. if i had to choose between doing that for a year or practicing hardcore for 5 months, not playing for 5 months, then getting back in shape for 2 months before wcg, i'd do the latter. and all the fans seem to forget that these retirees, at some point, trained a shitload, and say it's all talent that they can come back with "minimal practice" and dominate. truth is that despite their long periods of not touching the game, they have more quality practice in them than the regular players. it's not hard to pick up where you left off after a long break. and for people that have achieved a good understanding of the game, it's not hard to pick up on new strats by watching vods and reps, or to just figure out new strats on your own in a short period of time. but this "higher understanding" never came naturally or from pure talent, but rather it sprung out of a period of high-intensity training that never left the person | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
IdrA pointed out a point missed. FroZ has come back. Lost and disappeared into obscurity again. Whear is beyond his time. And comparing his skill relative to 3-5 years ago and what bw is NOW, is silly. Rekrul is nice but never had the PvZ to be a "dominating" player. Even when he was absolutely at his best. So a Day/Lz/Me/Crayon/Lastgosu and various other z's USA has to offer would be more than enough to "Monkey" Rekrul numerous times. I think I cannot stress enough yet again, admitting to living in the past is only admitting to a huge annoyance. They were damn great times. I was there, I gamed with them, loved it and moved on. Now we have new top players, they are as good if not better. If they dont glimmer as much it is because replays/rep sites/years and most importantly various competitive ladders have made the standard bw gamer a better gamer than the average sc/bw gamer of years past. Also, the "top" player hierarchy is ALOT closer than it was in the past, for the same reasons. We live in a new(ish) era of bw where the gaps are a lot closer and the top players can all exchange blows. The era of "old names dominating" is also psychologically behind us. They come back for a big event, usually train at a higher level than most because they live off of their name. Do "ok" because they have raw talent / better training partners than most. But then fizzle out and lose. Yet time in and time again fanboyism would have us believe they are the risen mesiah of bw each time. I think we should move away from it. Really the only player I think that has ever tickled this possibility is Ret. He has come back like 2-3 times and been top 1-3 each time. | ||
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Darki[Per]
Peru689 Posts
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