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[ASL] Ro16 Day 1
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amazingxkcd
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On July 17 2016 13:29 BLinD-RawR wrote: get hyped! But but but, I already am! What should I do? :O | ||
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FlaShFTW
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As for the matches? EffOrt > Shuttle Sharp > PianO ZerO < FlaSh Last > Mong The only hard matchup to predict is ZerO vs FlaSh but I think FlaSh's TvZ has been looking good enough lately and he's starting to find his groove against a relatively weak ZvTer. EffOrt is EffOrt, and Sharp and Last are both gods at TvT. | ||
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Essbee
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On July 17 2016 13:43 BLinD-RawR wrote: throw some predictions, make cheerfuls, you're going to be there right? yep! hopefully the camera gets on me this time | ||
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c3rberUs
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So jelly. Don't forget TL shoutout on your cheerful. ^_^ EffOrt should be a lock vs Shuttle Sharp > PianO because SharpvT FlaSh > ZerO because duh Last > Mong because AlphaGo Today is a good day to be terran. Even if FlaSh losses, there will be at least 2 terran winners. | ||
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classicyellow83
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FlaShFTW
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On July 17 2016 14:21 c3rberUs wrote: So jelly. Don't forget TL shoutout on your cheerful. ^_^ EffOrt should be a lock vs Shuttle Sharp > PianO because SharpvT FlaSh > ZerO because duh Last > Mong because AlphaGo Today is a good day to be terran. Even if FlaSh losses, there will be at least 2 terran winners. terran is drastically overrepresented in this tournament. we have total 9 terrans out of 16  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 15:59 classicyellow83 wrote: i just played massive amount of bw to get pumped up! But, i got tired =( chug pocari. | ||
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Wrath
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byj
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On July 17 2016 16:55 Wrath wrote: How much left for it to begin? Starts at 10:00 UTC, so in about 1h 45min | ||
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RKC
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Or is it? | ||
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classicyellow83
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Korean market closed at this time =(. We had some in the house but my wife drank them all. She loves that stuff. | ||
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RKC
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SPL < ASL SC2 < BW + Show Spoiler + But seriously, how am I going to focus on both?!? | ||
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Wrath
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Essbee
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On July 17 2016 17:39 Wrath wrote: Those are BO1 right? I guess so. Or else I'll probably be back home after midnight. | ||
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Marl
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Alur
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classicyellow83
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A:Effort B:Sharp C:Flash D:Mong Source | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 17:54 Essbee wrote: I guess so. Or else I'll probably be back home after midnight. they're Bo1 | ||
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Essbee
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On July 17 2016 18:11 Alur wrote: Yo Essbee I'll be the tall white guy in white tee, say hi if you see me! (I'll probably be with a friend or two) Ohhh awesome! Im already here! (i saw tasteless too) Tell me if you need help getting here, it's not my first time ;p | ||
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Cele
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Sharp Flash Last €: Bisu doesn't agree with me, worrisome .. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 18:29 Essbee wrote: Ohhh awesome! Im already here! (i saw tasteless too) Tell me if you need help getting here, it's not my first time ;p remember big shoutout to us! | ||
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Essbee
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haha we could scream "team liquid" all together | ||
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BisuDagger
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BLinD-RawR
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Wrath
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 18:48 Wrath wrote: Games start at in 10 minutes or broadcasting starts in 10 minutes? broadcast in 10 mins, games should start in 5-10 mins from there | ||
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Wrath
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Someone really teasing the shit out of BisuDagger lol | ||
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Grettin
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On July 17 2016 19:02 Wrath wrote: "We are the only professional StarCraft casters ever". Someone really teasing the shit out of BisuDagger lol Are you saying there isn't a professional difference between Tastosis and BD? lol... | ||
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Cele
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 19:03 Grettin wrote: Are you saying there isn't a professional difference between Tastosis and BD? lol... BD will make his own following and path in the scene. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 19:05 Cele wrote: Tastosis cast on Afreeca GSL? yeah. | ||
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Cele
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On July 17 2016 19:03 Grettin wrote: Are you saying there isn't a professional difference between Tastosis and BD? lol... Sorry but BD/XKCD are not professionals. Professionals earn their money with what they do, both of them don't. I like their casts, i like also the other community casters we have like cats_paw for instance or some stuff i do myself. Comparing it to professional casting just makes no sense tho. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 19:06 Cele wrote: Sorry but BD/XKCD are not professionals. Professionals earn their money with what they do, both of them don't. they do earn money from afreeca for casting this. to be honest is really geography here, not saying that tasteless and artosis do not want to cast BW I mean tasteless has always been keen on doing it, its more that they'd be less likely to do it if BD and XKCD were there for whatever reason. | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:07 atrox_ wrote: 4xBO1? That's not that much starcraft ): well FlaSh vs ZerO could take an hour for all I know | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 19:07 atrox_ wrote: 4xBO1? That's not that much starcraft ): its BW, and we have 2 tvts you could be here for a while. | ||
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Cele
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On July 17 2016 19:06 BLinD-RawR wrote: they do earn money from afreeca for casting this. Yes? well i got a Hearthstone Beta key for a cast i did. Im professional too? Come on man. | ||
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Grettin
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On July 17 2016 19:06 BLinD-RawR wrote: they do earn money from afreeca for casting this. I don't even understand why are we even talking about this. Lets move on. | ||
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Grettin
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On July 17 2016 19:09 Bonyth wrote: where can I find link to korean stream? http://play.afreecatv.com/afstar1 Not sure if there's an official one. But thats one at least. Also Terror is casting too http://www.afreecatv.com/y1026 | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 19:09 Cele wrote: Yes? well i got a Hearthstone Beta key for a cast i did. Im professional too? Come on man. I'm just stating facts. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 19:11 Grettin wrote: http://play.afreecatv.com/afstar1 Not sure if there's an official one. But thats one at least. Also Terror is casting too http://www.afreecatv.com/y1026 sorry for not adding the korean stream to the sidebar. | ||
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Ej_
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On July 17 2016 19:13 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: i thought shuttle was the form protoss, or at least 2nd best behind bisu I'd say free is the only one besides Bisu capable of beating effOrt | ||
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atrox_
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On July 17 2016 19:15 Ej_ wrote: I'd say free is the only one besides Bisu capable of beating effOrt not even BeSt? | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
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Sorry - it was best i was thinking of! | ||
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ortseam
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Ej_
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I guess I forgot about BeSt | ||
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Cele
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and not putting them into the right context. | ||
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r33k
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On July 17 2016 19:13 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: i thought shuttle was the form protoss, or at least 2nd best behind bisu Shuttle is doing a lot more memeing than playing these days. | ||
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c3rberUs
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Actually, what the fuck happened? | ||
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Ej_
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On July 17 2016 19:19 c3rberUs wrote: Looks like I didn't miss anything big yet. a shield battery has been made | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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maybe its a cue to promote shield battery. | ||
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Grettin
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On July 17 2016 19:19 c3rberUs wrote: Looks like I didn't miss anything big yet. You did not! | ||
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byj
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Btw is eyewater now permantly Shuttles new name? Also exciting game! :D | ||
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atrox_
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On July 17 2016 19:20 Chrispy wrote: Is there anybody in this tourney that wasn't a BW pro back in the day? It'd be really cool to see some new talent in BW too. nah | ||
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c3rberUs
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EffOrt looks fucked | ||
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Cele
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On July 17 2016 19:20 Chrispy wrote: Is there anybody in this tourney that wasn't a BW pro back in the day? It'd be really cool to see some new talent in BW too. some got reasonably far in the qualifiers, but fell short in the end. This Starleague had esp. hard qualifiers. We had  Olympus in SSL 11 tho and some others earlier. | ||
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ortseam
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Grettin
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c3rberUs
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forgot to mention that besides eco he looks good right now lol | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:30 c3rberUs wrote: So I lost my feed for some time, then suddenly EffOrt is back in it... he made mutas and killed all of Shuttle's templars twice | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 19:32 Chrispy wrote: Hory SHEET the meta has totally changed or perhaps this is just a crazy game. this is not a standard game for sure but shuttle likes to play the matchup this way. | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:36 BLinD-RawR wrote: AND EVERYONES PREDICTIONS GOES TO SHIT I want to see the liquibets for this | ||
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c3rberUs
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On July 17 2016 19:36 BLinD-RawR wrote: AND EVERYONES PREDICTIONS GOES TO SHIT Lucky Shuttle LBs rejoice! + Show Spoiler + Voted for EffOrt though I don't know why EffOrt decided to 5 pool when he can easily take Shuttle in a macro game... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 19:37 c3rberUs wrote: Lucky Shuttle LBs rejoice! + Show Spoiler + Voted for EffOrt though I don't know why EffOrt decided to 5 pool when he can easily take Shuttle in a macro game... this is why you should read my previews | ||
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Caspas
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On July 17 2016 19:33 BLinD-RawR wrote: this is not a standard game for sure but shuttle likes to play the matchup this way. From this day in I'm a shuttle fan then... | ||
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Cele
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i miss Style Start Sbenu, had more class then this | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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a lot of people are, they why he makes so much money streaming. | ||
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classicyellow83
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On July 17 2016 19:45 BLinD-RawR wrote: a lot of people are, they why he makes so much money streaming. BIsu, Flash, and Shuttle. Top 3 earners =) | ||
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classicyellow83
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On July 17 2016 19:49 Ctesias wrote: lol Those stats from Artosis LoL even the Korean casters are talking about Artosis' stats. | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:49 classicyellow83 wrote: LoL even the Korean casters are talking about Artosis' stats. Haha, mind giving a short summary of what they said? If you can speak Korean that is. | ||
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Caspas
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On July 17 2016 19:45 BLinD-RawR wrote: a lot of people are, they why he makes so much money streaming. I wasn't really following Broodwar until last NSLs final casts. So I just didn't know that there is another Protoss hero besides Bisu.  | ||
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c3rberUs
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FUUUUUUUU I wonder if Tastosis knows how Sharp plays TvT | ||
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classicyellow83
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On July 17 2016 19:50 Chrispy wrote: Haha, mind giving a short summary of what they said? If you can speak Korean that is. "Wow he's really specific. Does he need to be this specific" lol | ||
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Grettin
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HA! | ||
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c3rberUs
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edit - nvm, your stream is just ahead of mine. | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:50 Caspas wrote: I wasn't really following Broodwar until last NSLs final casts. So I just didn't know that there is another Protoss hero besides Bisu. There's the Seven (?) Dragons bro! Basically all the strong protosses. Bisu, Stork, Reach... Best. And 3 others. Haha. | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:49 Grettin wrote: lmfao you don't bet against sharp in a TvT what the hell man. | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:54 Chrispy wrote: There's the Seven (?) Dragons bro! Basically all the strong protosses. Bisu, Stork, Reach... Best. And 3 others. Haha. reach isn't a dragon, hes a MAN! | ||
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classicyellow83
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I'm going to quote flash "Reach is the best man I know" | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:57 classicyellow83 wrote: I'm going to quote flash "Reach is the best man I know" thats why we call him the Mantoss | ||
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Damn, you're right I just looked it up. He was just too manly to be a dragon. Turns out there were six, the others being Jangbi, who I totally forgot about but he was awesome, Free and Kal. | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:54 Chrispy wrote: There's the Seven (?) Dragons bro! Basically all the strong protosses. Bisu, Stork, Reach... Best. And 3 others. Haha. traditionally, you coun't the 6 Dragons. Bisu Jangbi Stork Best Free Kal (Gojila) | ||
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Poll: Is the "newbie friendly" Cast of Tastosis helpful for you? Yes, i find the comparisons to Sc2 Helpful (8) No, not at all. I lern nothing new. (6) Yes, i learn a lot by it (5) No, only some tidbits are interesting to me (2) 21 total votes Your vote: Is the "newbie friendly" Cast of Tastosis helpful for you? (Vote): Yes, i learn a lot by it sorry for typos, i didn't want to miss to much of the game | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:54 Chrispy wrote: There's the Seven (?) Dragons bro! Basically all the strong protosses. Bisu, Stork, Reach... Best. And 3 others. Haha. Sry for being not precise, I meant since SC2 made its appearance... | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:01 Cele wrote: out of curiosity: Poll: Is the "newbie friendly" Cast of Tastosis helpful for you? Yes, i find the comparisons to Sc2 Helpful (8) No, not at all. I lern nothing new. (6) Yes, i learn a lot by it (5) No, only some tidbits are interesting to me (2) 21 total votes Your vote: Is the "newbie friendly" Cast of Tastosis helpful for you? (Vote): Yes, i learn a lot by it The people who appreciate it probably aren't in this thread. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:02 gngfn wrote: The people who appreciate it probably aren't in this thread. i imagine so, but i wanted to get a better impression of that. Ofc i hope that these casts also bring more beginners into the BW section of TL. | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:55 BLinD-RawR wrote: you don't bet against sharp in a TvT what the hell man. PianO is more familiar to them so yeah. Aye that's true BR. | ||
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Cele
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On July 17 2016 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: the burden of helping newbies is still more on us than them, they should do a better job at redirecting them to here. i agree. For the VNSL casts we had a Thread asking them for shoutouts to TL as platform and ICCup as place to play. Perhaps that should be bumped? | ||
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On July 17 2016 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: thanks for the shoutout essbee  | ||
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Cele
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On July 17 2016 20:07 Sinistro wrote: For someone that knows more SC2 styles, but that is not a door in SC1, while the comparisons are helpful, I would love to see them sticking to SC1, I missed a lot of good things and would love to see references for old games in order to watch it later. thx for your input, that's interesting. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:09 letian wrote: jesus, twitch chat is disgusting mess its twitch chat, plus ciryandor avoids posting on TL, I'm there for him. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:12 TaShadan wrote: ~28000 viewers. Is this including koreans? yeah. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:12 TaShadan wrote: ~28000 viewers. Is this including koreans? Terror stream has mostly Koreans, you'd imagine. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:04 Cele wrote: i imagine so, but i wanted to get a better impression of that. Ofc i hope that these casts also bring more beginners into the BW section of TL. I think this is the second time I'm watching professional BW, but I did play the game. The comparisons to SC2 don't really do anything for me, I already know what all the units are. I'd like some more in-depth analysis personally, since I don't really know anything about the strategies. | ||
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@regarding the cast: its actually quite mediocre, but if that helps to get new viewers or even players... i am ok with it. | ||
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c3rberUs
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I'm not sure I want to be hype for a guy I anti-fan'd for 2 years... But what the heck, welcome back FlaSh! | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:18 Kerence wrote: I think this is the second time I'm watching professional BW, but I did play the game. The comparisons to SC2 don't really do anything for me, I already know what all the units are. I'd like some more in-depth analysis personally, since I don't really know anything about the strategies. you'd probably get more from watching bisudagger and amazinxkcd's stream. http://afreeca.tv/36846806 | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:19 c3rberUs wrote: FlaSh incoming people. I'm not sure I want to be hype for a guy I anti-fan'd for 2 years... But what the heck, welcome back FlaSh! I was anti fan of Flash until he switched to SC2. Now I don't know if I can recover from cheering for him in SC2. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:19 c3rberUs wrote: FlaSh incoming people. I'm not sure I want to be hype for a guy I anti-fan'd for 2 years... But what the heck, welcome back FlaSh! Yeah same here :D | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:18 Kerence wrote: I think this is the second time I'm watching professional BW, but I did play the game. The comparisons to SC2 don't really do anything for me, I already know what all the units are. I'd like some more in-depth analysis personally, since I don't really know anything about the strategies. You can always ask around here about stuff. We can at least give basic stuff about strats and tactics. I have to go. T_T I just hope the following games are good at least | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: you'd probably get more from watching bisudagger and amazinxkcd's stream. http://afreeca.tv/36846806 I thought they weren't streaming o.o Not watching live might lessen the impact of welcoming back FlaSh :p | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:28 BLinD-RawR wrote: LSW is such a rebel. hehe. he hates mainstream | ||
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ZerO on another level tho | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:36 ortseam wrote: wtf is this build from flash? valkonic, its a misread | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:36 sparklyresidue wrote: How's it been so far? op has no results? are you sure you're reading the results right? 1 match from each group. group A and Group B match is done now Flash vs Zero | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:38 Ej_ wrote: Does Flash go 14cc -> starport often enough for Zero to do this build blind? he used to do it when he came back but then stopped. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:38 Ej_ wrote: Does Flash go 14cc -> starport often enough for Zero to do this build blind? It's more like Zero goes Lurker build often against agasint 14cc. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:37 BLinD-RawR wrote: are you sure you're reading the results right? 1 match from each group. group A and Group B match is done now Flash vs Zero Thx, I see now. Not sure if I was reading a cached version or something. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:42 classicyellow83 wrote: looks good for Zero. How will Flash come back from this>? Flash is fine, he has a 3rd now too. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:43 Lucumo wrote: Why is the afstar1 stream so laggy? Been trying to fix it for a while now but nothing works. Is there any restream for this? Where do you live? Thats probably the reason its laggy. Livestreamer usually fixes the laggyness a little. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:42 BLinD-RawR wrote: you know just how long its been since these guys have seen a TvZ, late game mech switch was popularized 6 years ago. Well that's when SC2 was released so it makes some amount of sense. I did think they kept at least watching for longer though | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:43 Lucumo wrote: Why is the afstar1 stream so laggy? Been trying to fix it for a while now but nothing works. Is there any restream for this? Afreeca is consistently awful for me too. Sometimes refreshing the page until you get a good connection works. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:43 Grettin wrote: Where do you live? Thats probably the reason its laggy. Livestreamer usually fixes the laggyness a little. Europe, didn't have problems on Afreeca before though (well, maybe because I used their terrible program). Uninstalled that a while ago | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:43 Lucumo wrote: Why is the afstar1 stream so laggy? Been trying to fix it for a while now but nothing works. Is there any restream for this? no korean restreams sorry, try terror tho | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:44 Lucumo wrote: Europe, didn't have problems on Afreeca before though. Uninstalled that a while ago No problems here using livestreamer and watching 3 Afreeca streams at the same time. Also from Europe. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:44 Teoita wrote: Well that's when SC2 was released so it makes some amount of sense. I did think they kept at least watching for longer though yeah I know but when you think about it its pretty surreal. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:44 letian wrote: Flash and Zero playing a little clumsy i tuned into the game ~5-10 mins ago and am really disappointed so far | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:44 Wrath wrote: Tastoisis are really clueless about BW -_- TvZ has changed a lot in the years they have gone, wait until zero uses queens. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:47 Topdoller wrote: Is Flash winning, i cant tell? Given the way the matchup works I think Flash is always kinda "winning" when he has like 6 bases and full mech production going, but there hasn't really been fighting yet. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:47 BLinD-RawR wrote: TvZ has changed a lot in the years they have gone, wait until zero uses queens. or randomly makes 2 control groups of mutas and loses | ||
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But it looks like Zero has better fights but Flash can just throw money at him and maybe win? | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:52 Wrath wrote: ZerO looks like he can win this. Unless he destroys some expos, nah. | ||
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Looks like zero made a few attacks on 7 and 8 o clock expos which took out a lot of workers. Looks really tough for Flash right now. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:57 LRM)TechnicS wrote: is Larva screaming for zero to make 12 mutas? lol probably should at this point | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:56 Nazza wrote: Looks like zero made a few attacks on 7 and 8 o clock expos which took out a lot of workers. Looks really tough for Flash right now. Not really, not enough damage dealt. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:56 Nazza wrote: Looks like zero made a few attacks on 7 and 8 o clock expos which took out a lot of workers. Looks really tough for Flash right now. I spoke too soon. High ground and tanks too OP. Zero wasn't able to break through even with ultra drops and dark swarm. | ||
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"spawn broodling that you almost never see" :DDD | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:47 BLinD-RawR wrote: TvZ has changed a lot in the years they have gone, wait until zero uses queens. kek, as you said! | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:02 monk wrote: What have the meta changes been like since I stopped following BW in 2012? (After Proleague and OSL/MSL died) not much since PL died, unless you count piano who goes BC/Bio in TvZ. | ||
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On July 17 2016 20:58 Ej_ wrote: hahaha Tastosis discovering queens "spawn broodling that you almost never see" :DDD well, they improved with their metagame knowledge quite a bit since VNSL Cast i feel, but ofc you sometimes still notice they stopped playing the game in late 2009 (; | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:02 lastride wrote: Isnt Flash something like 80% against Sea? his chances are really good Flash is just destroying TvT on fish atm. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:02 phosphorylation wrote: around 70000 concurrent watchers total? amazing Before Flash on Terror stream it was smth like 20k. When Flash played it went to 38k Its the Flash effect. In Sc2 he doubled the numbers everytime he played lol | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: not much since PL died, unless you count piano who goes BC/Bio in TvZ. based, helpful for me too. isnt there something about pvz now about going gateway first being the standard? is that about it? | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:02 phosphorylation wrote: around 70000 concurrent watchers total? amazing Yep. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:02 lastride wrote: Isnt Flash something like 80% against Sea? his chances are really good Flash's TvT is 80% period. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:04 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: based, helpful for me too. isnt there something about pvz now about going gateway first being the standard? is that about it? gateway first is standard and then zerg goes hydralisk build over spire | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:04 Cele wrote: well, they improved with their metagame knowledge quite a bit since VNSL Cast i feel, but ofc you sometimes still notice they stopped playing the game in late 2009 (; tasteless' knowledge is better than artosis - which is the funny thing! | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:05 Charoisaur wrote: to me as a sc2 noob it looked like zero was winning the whole time, taking good engagement after good engagement. what made flash win this? 5 gas mech vs 4 gas ultra/ling/defiler | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:02 monk wrote: What have the meta changes been like since I stopped following BW in 2012? (After Proleague and OSL/MSL died) if you are aware of mech switches TvZ and gate first builds pvz, not that much. TvT has shifted a lot away from the BC centered lategame Tastosis mentioned to the use of wraith and sometimes valks to counter wraith. mass Drop play isn't seen a lot anymore in TvT | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:01 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Zero missed the 20 minute window to make mutas and harrass properly FlaSh i dont think mutas was a real option here cuz he didnt made a single air upgrade,and just with 10 gols will be more than enough to kill muta force,but i think zero biggest mistake was to waste all the big ultra army in drops,im pretty sure droping lings without turrets to defend was almost gg,but he waste the ultras tt | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:05 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: tasteless' knowledge is better than artosis - which is the funny thing! not surprising, hes been playing on fish. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:05 Charoisaur wrote: to me as a sc2 noob it looked like zero was winning the whole time, taking good engagement after good engagement. what made flash win this? Should be his stupidly over the top macro plus zero making equally Bad mistakes as flash. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:05 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: tasteless' knowledge is better than artosis - which is the funny thing! yeah :D But Tasteless is known to have kept a very close touch with the community. He played on FISH in the past (and streamed some) and by the insider jokes he makes, i assume he still reads this forum. Im not sure but my general impression is Artosis has more to catch up with (; | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:06 Cele wrote: if you are aware of mech switches TvZ and gate first builds pvz, not that much. TvT has shifted a lot away from the BC centered lategame Tastosis mentioned to the use of wraith and sometimes valks to counter wraith. mass Drop play isn't seen a lot anymore in TvT This is starting to change again, though. Last often sticks with bio late into TvZs and does more of a "soft" mech switch backed up by the constant bio pressure. Flash has been experimenting with TvT styles that get wraiths very late or not at all, relying on turrets to protect a larger ground army that controls space and chokes off the other player. There's definitely still stuff happening, which is impressive given that people have been playing the same maps for 6-7 years. | ||
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But, there's something fatalistic about Zero's play, like he doesn't quite believe he's as good as Flash or Jaedong. You can never be confident watching Zero in a game against a similarly skilled player, because you can kind of tell he's not that confident. If Zero had Jaedong's mental strength / confidence he might well have been a multiple MSL/OSL winner. Zero's still a great player. He's certainly one of the top 10 Zerg players of all time in my book, and there's an outside case to be made that he's top 5, though it's hard to put him over any of Jaedong, Savior, Yellow, July, or Effort, and there's still guys like Chojja to account for. Tastosis didn't do him justice in the introductions because of all the gushing over Flash, though in fairness, that was totally deserved as well. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:05 Charoisaur wrote: to me as a sc2 noob it looked like zero was winning the whole time, taking good engagement after good engagement. what made flash win this? Zero missed his mutalisk timing and didnt have enough overlord presence to clear mines, also he needed more queens or doom drop | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:06 Cele wrote: if you are aware of mech switches TvZ and gate first builds pvz, not that much. TvT has shifted a lot away from the BC centered lategame Tastosis mentioned to the use of wraith and sometimes valks to counter wraith. mass Drop play isn't seen a lot anymore in TvT Mech switches started I believe in 2010? Gate first PvZ i remember went from non-existent to extremely rare at the end. Is it more common now? And why? I remember the TvT metagame switch from Drops into BCs to Wraiths/Valk happening between 2010 to 2012. I asked around back then though and no one could tell me why the switch was happening. Anyone have an answer now? Also, I remember Zero used to get mass Queens in ZvT vs Tanks, but in very rare games. Does he do this as a standard now? | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:11 letian wrote: ooh, how did Effort lose to Shuttle :D? catch the vod it was a pretty hectic game. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:08 darktreb wrote: Great game (both play and plan) by Zero. He showed why in terms of pure skill he's as good as any Zerg has ever been, right up there with Jaedong and Effort. But, there's something fatalistic about Zero's play, like he doesn't quite believe he's as good as Flash or Jaedong. You can never be confident watching Zero in a game against a similarly skilled player, because you can kind of tell he's not that confident. If Zero had Jaedong's mental strength / confidence he might well have been a multiple MSL/OSL winner. Zero's still a great player. He's certainly one of the top 10 Zerg players of all time in my book, and there's an outside case to be made that he's top 5, though it's hard to put him over any of Jaedong, Savior, Yellow, July, or Effort, and there's still guys like Chojja to account for. Tastosis didn't do him justice in the introductions because of all the gushing over Flash, though in fairness, that was totally deserved as well. The softness of Zero is renown and probably the reason why he was not as successful as other greatest players. Should I mention Sea? Another great player with mentality problems. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:12 monk wrote: Mech switches started I believe in 2010? Also, I remember Zero used to get mass Queens in ZvT vs Tanks, but in very rare games. Does he do this as a standard now? its a lot more common now, effort does it a lot more than anyone else. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:14 Slayer91 wrote: guys I slept in and missed flash and effort play are tastosis vods gonna be out? yeah they will be on the afreeca youtube channel plus afreeca does save stream vods too, so you can watch them as soon as the stream is done. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:05 Charoisaur wrote: to me as a sc2 noob it looked like zero was winning the whole time, taking good engagement after good engagement. what made flash win this? You're going to get a lot of valid answers to this question in this thread, but a simple framework for evaluating ZvT and ZvP is as follows. In ZvT and ZvP, if Zerg has <= the number of bases as Terran / Protoss, Zerg is default behind. That means you should assume Zerg will lose unless Zerg is dominating on screen. And by dominating I mean like, winning at least 3/4 of the exchanges you see. It's really easy when seeing Zerg winning something like 2/3 of the skirmishes to assume they must be ahead, because you're noticing Zerg win most fights, but in ZvT especially, that's not good enough. In this particular game, Zero was winning most fights and was maybe even close to the necessary threshold. I think if he'd been able to break through and actually shut down the two bottom left bases for a sustained period of time, he would've won. He was close to doing that but Flash held and the back breaker was Zero throwing away a bunch of stuff the last time he attacked bottom left. Remember, if Zerg loses a big fight in ZvT when at even or less bases than Terran, it should count like Terran just won 3 fights. By virtue of never really losing mining at his 5 primary bases, Flash did just enough to break Zero's back eventually. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:14 letian wrote: The softness of Zero is renown and probably the reason why he was not as successful as other greatest players. Should I mention Sea? Another great player with mentality problems. Yeah though in fairness to Zero, I think he's like 10x the mental strength of Sea. But that says more about how pitiful Sea's mental "strength" is. Both are prime examples of unfulfilled potential, though Zero's always bugged me more simply because he was closer to being truly great. A fully potential reached Zero would have been a great complement to Jaedong and Effort as all three have different styles. Whereas it's hard to imagine even a peak potential Sea being any better than 80% Flash. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:12 monk wrote: Mech switches started I believe in 2010? Gate first PvZ i remember went from non-existent to extremely rare at the end. Is it more common now? And why? I remember the TvT metagame switch from Drops into BCs to Wraiths/Valk happening between 2010 to 2012. I asked around back then though and no one could tell me why the switch was happening. Anyone have an answer now? Also, I remember Zero used to get mass Queens in ZvT vs Tanks, but in very rare games. Does he do this as a standard now? Mech switches vZ were first a Fantasy-only thing, then people realized that Bio only or Bio+Tank was too weak against cracklings and Ultras under swarm. Vultures to space with Mines and harassment with grenades were much more worth against both compositions. TvT swings are basically a hodgepodge of Tank Drops, Tank Lines with Golis, Wraith comps and BCs. Wraith mobility counters Dropships heavily, as Goliaths are immobile and with in a comp Dropships, vulnerable to sniping. Also, Wraith Cloak is expensive to counter with multiple scans. ZerO still wants Queens very late, but the maps are not conducive to hiding it. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:21 Epithet wrote: I'm glad this probably won't be a 40 minute game I doubt you'll see many games go long but I know that if they do they will go really long | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:12 monk wrote: Mech switches started I believe in 2010? Gate first PvZ i remember went from non-existent to extremely rare at the end. Is it more common now? And why? I remember the TvT metagame switch from Drops into BCs to Wraiths/Valk happening between 2010 to 2012. I asked around back then though and no one could tell me why the switch was happening. Anyone have an answer now? Also, I remember Zero used to get mass Queens in ZvT vs Tanks, but in very rare games. Does he do this as a standard now? yeah mech switch started about that time. I'd say it's a bit more refined now but hard to tell. Gate first PvZ: hard to say. I think it's more common on map positions that allow for a nice 1 gap wall, like FS bot left top right (Shuttle was on the wrong position tho). I also think the general expertise in executing this has increased. Can't answer your TvT question. Queens vs mech switched terrans: wouldn't call it standard, but it sees an increasing amount of play, also because maps allow for it and zergs have improved in the execution (imho) | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:14 Slayer91 wrote: guys I slept in and missed flash and effort play are tastosis vods gonna be out? Vod is already available: www.twitch.tv | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: i dont think mutas was a real option here cuz he didnt made a single air upgrade,and just with 10 gols will be more than enough to kill muta force,but i think zero biggest mistake was to waste all the big ultra army in drops,im pretty sure droping lings without turrets to defend was almost gg,but he waste the ultras tt I mean sure 10 gols > 12 mutas in a straight battle But flash had no anti air. Mutas would have been great to harrass all the 3 new bases of flash as mutas just fly from one to another base and dont fight the already late coming goliaths. This would only work vs flash ofcourse cuz I thought it's very obvious that flash is really greedy with his 3rd, 4th and 5th exps. But yeah, i agree zero could have done way better in general this game | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:22 Cele wrote: yeah mech switch started about that time. I'd say it's a bit more refined now but hard to tell. Gate first PvZ: hard to say. I think it's more common on map positions that allow for a nice 1 gap wall, like FS bot left top right (Shuttle was on the wrong position tho). I also think the general expertise in executing this has increased. Can't answer your TvT question. Queens vs mech switched terrans: wouldn't call it standard, but it sees an increasing amount of play, also because maps allow for it and zergs have improved in the execution (imho) It's also worth noting that mech switch is only a thing because of the strength of lategame 4 gas defiler/ultra/ling, which itself is a thing because of the type of map that became popular at that time. The mech switch just efficiently uses that same abundance of gas against the Zerg. I don't think we'd see the same style of TvZ if maps were still more like Python. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:27 r33k wrote: The resolution is so high you can see the pixels on the sides of the spider mines and see who they belong to. wow are people coming back to watch BW after so long they're not used to high quality streams, I'll be honest there something comforting about watching it in lower quality on purpose. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:28 gngfn wrote: It's also worth noting that mech switch is only a thing because of the strength of lategame 4 gas defiler/ultra/ling, which itself is a thing because of the type of map that became popular at that time. The mech switch just efficiently uses that same abundance of gas against the Zerg. I don't think we'd see the same style of TvZ if maps were still more like Python. Piano is the only one who still uses sk terran. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:09 Bonyth wrote: Mutalisk would deal 5 damage to fully upgraded terran army. Not too much I think. lol Bony, tell that to the running scvs from one exp to another with only tanks and vultures out on the map | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:28 BLinD-RawR wrote: wow are people coming back to watch BW after so long they're not used to high quality streams, I'll be honest there something comforting about watching it in lower quality on purpose. Here comes konadra to cast in LQ for us lol | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:28 BLinD-RawR wrote: wow are people coming back to watch BW after so long they're not used to high quality streams, I'll be honest there something comforting about watching it in lower quality on purpose. No I've been watching FPVODs on youtube weekly the encoding is just shit. On July 17 2016 21:28 gngfn wrote: It's also worth noting that mech switch is only a thing because of the strength of lategame 4 gas defiler/ultra/ling, which itself is a thing because of the type of map that became popular at that time. The mech switch just efficiently uses that same abundance of gas against the Zerg. I don't think we'd see the same style of TvZ if maps were still more like Python. The mech switches are because the fish map pool is absolute terran favored bullshit. You never see a terran have less bases than a zerg or protoss unless the zerg is named effort. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:30 BLinD-RawR wrote: Last is the strongest terran in the tournament. Is that why all the players picked Flash as the scariest opponent? | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:31 classicyellow83 wrote: Is that why all the players picked Flash as the scariest opponent? That's just because it's a lan. If you've seen them play Flash has been thoroughly unimpressive since his return. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:31 classicyellow83 wrote: Is that why all the players picked Flash as the scariest opponent? Scariest =/= Strongest | ||
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Nanashin pirate streams if it screws up LOOOL | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:34 Ciryandor wrote: Nanashin pirate streams if it screws up LOOOL nanashin and cranton were HQ | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:35 Wrath wrote: fucking piece of shit spoiler! how the fuck shuttle won? I did not see the game and was planing on watching it later. WTF. effort 5pooled | ||
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I put both of them on LQ, but they were still better than Kona half of the time in terms of reliability. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:33 r33k wrote: That's just because it's a lan. If you've seen them play Flash has been thoroughly unimpressive since his return. Flash has been what? He started destroying people immediately upon his return, Best seems to be the only guy consistently giving him troubles. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:21 darktreb wrote: Yeah though in fairness to Zero, I think he's like 10x the mental strength of Sea. But that says more about how pitiful Sea's mental "strength" is. Both are prime examples of unfulfilled potential, though Zero's always bugged me more simply because he was closer to being truly great. A fully potential reached Zero would have been a great complement to Jaedong and Effort as all three have different styles. Whereas it's hard to imagine even a peak potential Sea being any better than 80% Flash. Don't forget about Soulkey, who was thought to be the next successful reincarnation of Zero. And where is he now? That guy was brilliant and probably the next Zerg champion to be... | ||
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amazingxkcd
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On July 17 2016 21:39 GumBa wrote: Did I miss it all ?yes . | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:40 GumBa wrote: Fuck I knew I was forgetting something all morning but only now just realised what ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FidZknJ.gif) | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:37 Ciryandor wrote: I put both of them on LQ, but they were still better than Kona half of the time in terms of reliability. Xsebt was perfect for me, as well as fedori (didn't like him streaming the fat girl eating though). | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:39 juvenal wrote: Flash has been what? He started destroying people immediately upon his return, Best seems to be the only guy consistently giving him troubles. BeSt's style has always been troublesome for Flash. It's always been a strategic outmaneuver that wins the game in those cases. On July 17 2016 21:39 letian wrote: Don't forget about Soulkey, who was thought to be the next successful reincarnation of Zero. And where is he now? That guy was brilliant and probably the next Zerg champion to be... Didn't SoulKey get some success in SC2 and thus is still playing there? | ||
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letian
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On July 17 2016 21:42 Ciryandor wrote: BeSt's style has always been troublesome for Flash. It's always been a strategic outmaneuver that wins the game in those cases. Didn't SoulKey get some success in SC2 and thus is still playing there? Losing his bo4 to Keen (who retired recently), Super and bo3 to Byun does not look like he has success, at least in LOTV. He was promising in HOTS but then he just disappeared (correct me if I am wrong). | ||
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Ciryandor
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On July 17 2016 21:45 letian wrote: Losing his bo4 to Keen (who retired recently), Super and bo3 to Byun does not look like he has success, at least in LOTV. He was promising in HOTS but then he just disappeared (correct me if I am wrong). He had a year where he was a perennial contender, but that was the height of Swarm Host shenanigans so meh. | ||
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letian
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Sharp - Organ -- was a poor game, where Organ could not do anything special and Sharp just slowly rolled him over. Zero - Flash -- good game with tons of gore and late game BW niceness, Flash macro won. Last - Mong -- Last just straight outplayed Mong through sheer micro and didn't let it go till the end. Nice day, it is also pleasant to see Artosis/Tastless say so much good words about BW. I feel like Artosis didn't expect that he would enjoy it so much. BW hits the spot no matter how long you haven't played it. | ||
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classicyellow83
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On July 17 2016 21:39 juvenal wrote: Flash has been what? He started destroying people immediately upon his return, Best seems to be the only guy consistently giving him troubles. Best and shuttle are the only ones with winning record against Flash since Flash came back to bw. But even that gap has been slowing narrowing. | ||
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B-royal
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- There's been talk about using hydras to clear really big minefields very efficiently and also to be able to take extra bases more easily (Hero's tried it a few times). In my opinion there's a lot of promise in this. - I was begging for queens but I guess he was just too tight on resources and flash was too much in his face. - If there are almost no turrets a mutalisk switch can do quite a lot of damage especially when there's 3 gas bases quite close together like on fighting spirit and overwatch. The problem in my opinion in most games is if you go for a lot of drops, terrans already start building a lot of turrets and then a muta switch isn't even possible anymore. Sick games, going to check out Effort vs Shuttle now because I missed it haha. | ||
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lestye
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So hopefully they'll do that for future broadcasts and we'll get more people coming here to get BW information. | ||
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CognacLover
Poland66 Posts
We need ex pros back - Jangi, Fantasy, Jaedong, +++ We need current sc2 pros who used to play BW and not used to play switch BW. We need foreigners to reunite and return. We need to lure Sc2 player base to BW because they enjoyed BW from what I can judge twitch chat. We need a little patch from Blizzard. And then we gonna be blessed. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 17 2016 21:54 CognacLover wrote: We need new maps. We need ex pros back - Jangi, Fantasy, Jaedong, +++ We need current sc2 pros who used to play BW and not used to play switch BW. We need foreigners to reunite and return. We need to lure Sc2 player base to BW because they enjoyed BW from what I can judge twitch chat. We need a little patch from Blizzard. And then we gonna be blessed. Amen | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:52 classicyellow83 wrote: Best and shuttle are the only ones with winning record against Flash since Flash came back to bw. But even that gap has been slowing narrowing. That is particularly interesting. Especially with Best. Watching Flash stream against Best was always fun because he lost to Best more often. Why? Nobody knows, I can only guess that Best heavy macro oriented playstyle and execution is something Flash cannot handle easily. Best just throws tons of units and then I see Flash gg. This is how many of their games looked like unless Flash went into some dropplay. I think Flash never won a straight up macro battle against Best. Shuttle is also a macro toss, but he is not as consistent I think. | ||
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On July 17 2016 22:08 juvenal wrote: Nerves played a big role in Zero's defeat, I reckon, the 2 drops he failed to detect flying past several overlords are a good indication of how much worse he played compared to his best online form. Zero does win most of the games like this. Im watching Flash's stream right now and he says that he was REALLY nervous during the game. | ||
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Ciryandor
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On July 17 2016 21:53 lestye wrote: I can't find the post, but someone gave some criticism that they should plug teamliquid so fresh blood / getting interested in the scene could get answers. I tweeted Artosis & Tasteless that they should plug TL more, and they both favorited that tweet. So hopefully they'll do that for future broadcasts and we'll get more people coming here to get BW information. Are you putting a hashtag to get people on the same page? | ||
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United States3735 Posts
On July 17 2016 21:55 BisuDagger wrote: Great to see how many viewers were on the GSL stream. I hope they can bring in even bigger numbers even without Flash playing. I'll be happy with 5k on Twitch without Flash as a lure for people. It's a good start for BW to stand on its own there. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qmiuoDL.jpg?1) Essbee's shoutout | ||
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On July 17 2016 22:35 Peeano wrote: Essbee's shoutout Sweet | ||
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On July 17 2016 22:52 endy wrote: Why have Tastosis not put this in their "past broadcast" section of their Twitch channel :s Because it's not their channel? | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:42 amazingxkcd wrote: our VODs are up [http://afreeca.tv/36846806/v/38908 It's not working anymore for me. | ||
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Tastosis twitch VOD: https://www.twitch.tv/gsl/v/78509965 Dark archon VOD: http://afreeca.tv/36846806/v/38909 | ||
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On July 17 2016 23:11 outscar wrote: Also I wanted to say thank God for this starleague, my summer is saved! Can't wait for tuesday. Tastosis twitch VOD: https://www.twitch.tv/gsl/v/78509965 Dark archon VOD: http://afreeca.tv/36846806/v/38909 thx for fixed link | ||
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On July 17 2016 23:11 outscar wrote: Also I wanted to say thank God for this starleague, my summer is saved! Can't wait for tuesday. Tastosis twitch VOD: https://www.twitch.tv/gsl/v/78509965 Thank you, that's what I was looking for, how did you get that link? Well games were definitely streamed on this channel so I don't see why they wouldn't end up in the past broadcast section. | ||
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Japan11285 Posts
On July 17 2016 22:35 Peeano wrote: Essbee's shoutout This is one sweet shoutout right here. Sigh, ZerO. All the talent but none of the nerves. Kind of a waste but still sounds like a pretty epic game. | ||
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RKC
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I never watched iloveoov - his nickname 'Cheater Terran' speaks of his macro prowess. Are Flash and iloveoov very similar in terms of play-style (strong in macro, weak in micro)? If they played in their prime during the same era, who would've been more dominating (over the rest of the field, not necessarily 1-on-1 TvT)? #BWForLife | ||
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On July 18 2016 00:04 RKC wrote: Are Flash and iloveoov very similar in terms of play-style (strong in macro, weak in micro)? If they played in their prime during the same era, who would've been more dominating (over the rest of the field, not necessarily 1-on-1 TvT)? #BWForLife Ha Flash is good on micro, macro, multitasking, economy management, multi prong attacks and his decision making is GODLY. Flash is Ultimate Weapon who knows how to switch, where to go and what to attack. Also when he plays offrace vs. offrace against other pros he always wins. | ||
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On July 18 2016 00:04 RKC wrote: Flash's macro was insane! Endless streams of tanks weathering the dark swarm and destroying Zero's expos! I never watched iloveoov - his nickname 'Cheater Terran' speaks of his macro prowess. Are Flash and iloveoov very similar in terms of play-style (strong in macro, weak in micro)? If they played in their prime during the same era, who would've been more dominating (over the rest of the field, not necessarily 1-on-1 TvT)? #BWForLife Flash is basically the epitome of an SC player. Strong Macro, three-moves-ahead strategic decision-making, and excellent micro when it's needed. He's weak only in micro-heavy, low-economy games, but few players can counter his way of cutting corners to eke out a macro advantage. Only Jaedong at his prime would actually be able to stand up to him in a long series, and if given a set of maps both do not regularly play on, it would be a close series. As for rest-of-field advantage, I'd say that Flash has it, he's been to ten finals to oov's five, which means his consistency level's much higher. | ||
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On July 18 2016 00:40 Ciryandor wrote: Flash is basically the epitome of an SC player. Strong Macro, three-moves-ahead strategic decision-making, and excellent micro when it's needed. He's weak only in micro-heavy, low-economy games, but few players can counter his way of cutting corners to eke out a macro advantage. Only Jaedong at his prime would actually be able to stand up to him in a long series, and if given a set of maps both do not regularly play on, it would be a close series. As for rest-of-field advantage, I'd say that Flash has it, he's been to ten finals to oov's five, which means his consistency level's much higher. Great insight! Yeah, I always thought he was 'weak only in micro-heavy, low-economy games' - which was how Bisu took him out at the last BW Proleague ace match (what a scrappy but epic match that was!). But 'weak' being relative to his strengths, of course - I don't mean he's bad in micro at all. I was reading somewhere earlier that Best could take on Flash straight-up macro. Would he be one of the best macro Protoss in modern times then? Funny, I'd always picture Jaedong as an aggro player strong in early and mid game. Didn't quite know his macro could stand up to Flash's too! | ||
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On July 17 2016 22:35 Peeano wrote: Essbee's shoutout Haha thanks for the screenshot buddy! | ||
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On July 17 2016 23:47 endy wrote: Thank you, that's what I was looking for, how did you get that link? The VOD is listed here: https://www.twitch.tv/gsl/profile It's the first video but the title has not been changed for the BW cast so it's titled "2016 Hot6 GSL Season 2", but you can see it's from a few hours ago. Well games were definitely streamed on this channel so I don't see why they wouldn't end up in the past broadcast section. What Grettin meant is that it's GSL's channel, probably managed by Afreeca, so Tastosis don't have control over the channel. | ||
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They really captured my knees and chin well. | ||
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On July 18 2016 03:51 classicyellow83 wrote: FUCK!!! Effort lost 3 more games against Shuttle on afreeca just now. He's about to lose it. FUCK!!! nice, need to watch them, i like shuttles pvz | ||
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Hungary438 Posts
On July 18 2016 03:51 classicyellow83 wrote: FUCK!!! Effort lost 3 more games against Shuttle on afreeca just now. He's about to lose it. FUCK!!! :D:D Amazing games, and Tastosis did a great job casting. Hopefully they'll bring in some new people BW is amazing, really cool to have stuff like this. Hopefully it'll last forever! | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:06 Cele wrote: if you are aware of mech switches TvZ and gate first builds pvz, not that much. TvT has shifted a lot away from the BC centered lategame Tastosis mentioned to the use of wraith and sometimes valks to counter wraith. Mass Drop play isn't seen a lot anymore in TvT Is this because the meta has shifted or the result of the maps? FS and CB don't have much in the way of terrain in the middle of the map which doesn't leave much space for dropship play. We are a huge fan of dropship chess and remember Medusa producing a lot of very nice TvT's. Then soon after that came, we believe (we clicked through all 4 player twilight maps looking for the one which looks familiar), Wuthering Heights and there was virtually no dropship play on that. Our memory is that virtually every TvT ended up with mass vultures from each side at the start and then pushing tank lines around. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
Yeah, they've got the best cameramen here in Korea, proof right here. | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
On July 18 2016 12:16 Essbee wrote: Yeah, they've got the best cameramen here in Korea, proof right here. The cameraman didn't capture your knees and chin at all so he compensated with Alur's knees and chin. | ||
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On July 18 2016 13:49 c3rberUs wrote: The cameraman didn't capture your knees and chin at all so he compensated with Alur's knees and chin. Hahahaha yeah, it all make sense now! | ||
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Annnnnnd, let's go Last!! | ||
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On July 18 2016 14:03 Essbee wrote: But honestly, I wish more bw tlers would be able to come to the games with us, it's just so nice being able to talk about the games going on with people who actually know the game well (Alur), it's basically like an irl LR thread. Yall need to come to seoul right now! ;D And the tl bw community is just the absolute best <3 Annnnnnd, let's go Last!! buy me a ticket | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On July 18 2016 00:58 RKC wrote: Great insight! Yeah, I always thought he was 'weak only in micro-heavy, low-economy games' - which was how Bisu took him out at the last BW Proleague ace match (what a scrappy but epic match that was!). But 'weak' being relative to his strengths, of course - I don't mean he's bad in micro at all. I was reading somewhere earlier that Best could take on Flash straight-up macro. Would he be one of the best macro Protoss in modern times then? Funny, I'd always picture Jaedong as an aggro player strong in early and mid game. Didn't quite know his macro could stand up to Flash's too! JD has always been mechanically the strongest player, nobody could surpass his micro. I still remember his double muta stack on Blue Storm or his simultaneous muta splits in ZvZ. Being very good mechanically he outplayed a lot of players during his prime. Above that, he was one of the players to change ZvZ and ZvP meta and was, in my opinion, the epitome of a zerg player. Micro heavy, cunning and meticulous, rock solid in both early and late game. Just imagine, nobody except Flash was considered a threat to him. JD always had that awesome winning pattern LWW or LLWWW which made ppl bite their nails and eat heart pills. Yes, JD had the balls to risk and do some amazing come backs in history and that is why so many ppl loved watching him play. It is only after those 0-3 losses to Flash he started to slowly fade away just at the time when Flash started his way to Olympus. I wonder how would the history turn if Flash played protoss ? | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11446 Posts
On July 18 2016 18:08 Whole wrote: Are there vods of these games? Wow. Brings back memories. I never played BW well, only watched it. Was enjoyable back then. Kinda miss it. MSL, OSL, Proleague etc. Best thing about the production was that there were hardly any technical issues or delays like we often see in Dota. SC2 killed the scene, though I'd be still skeptical of the game's relevance against LoL/Dota 2/CSGO etc. I don't see as much money being pumped in. Though I kind of feel sad for the ex pros. Back then they were all taken care of, it was a job, everything was organised. They trained and played for a purpose. Now it feels like a bunch of 25-30 year olds unable to let go of their 'addiction' to the game. It's all good when there's a vibrant competitive scene, or if the game is internationally played. Now it's all nostalgia Do they earn much from streaming? | ||
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Probemicro
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On July 18 2016 18:22 DucK- wrote: Do they earn much from streaming? Bisu received $40k USD worth of donations in 1 month(June) Other popular streamers like Flash and Shuttle also earn similar income consistently. of course if you are not popular, streaming is just something you do for fun as you don't get much donation. but for star players with large fanbases like the above, its a real profitable venture. Many of the BW-mad korean fans in the past are now working adults with sizable disposable income, allowing them donate on a regular basis just to watch their idols play. so no need to feel sad for them (on the contrary you should be jealous instead lol) On June 27 2016 10:29 Probemicro wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wZvxuzd.jpg) based off the conservative 1 balloon=0.07USD rate, Bisu just earned almost 40000USD this month for comparison the entire prizepool of Afreeca Starleague is only ~21600USD so flamers and haters can talk about bisu having a weak mentality, scared of army, scared of meeting flash in finals, not having a long term view of helping boost the BW scene whatever, when you are raking in such dough on a regular basis, simply from regular streaming, everything else is fluff. if he thinks he doesn't want to play in tournaments anymore because he will be forced to stream less (hence cutting his stream revenue), then thats his personal choice. I don't blame bisu for that. people on forums love to talk about morals and obligations etc, but put them in the same shoes, almost everyone would have done the same as Bisu. | ||
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On July 18 2016 18:41 Probemicro wrote: Bisu received $40k USD worth of donations in 1 month(June) Other popular streamers like Flash and Shuttle also earn similar income consistently. of course if you are not popular, streaming is just something you do for fun as you don't get much donation. but for star players with large fanbases like the above, its a real profitable venture. Many of the BW-mad korean fans in the past are now working adults with sizable disposable income, allowing them donate on a regular basis just to watch their idols play. so no need to feel sad for them (on the contrary you should be jealous instead lol) I won't feel jealous even for that money. I get that he is doing what he loves while making money from it. But I feel that the lack of a bustling competitive environment to the game makes playing BW no longer thrilling or motivating. The game itself isn't being updated as well with patches to keep things fresh. I feel they are too young to be doing things at a recreational level. There's no goals to set or achieve, life goes on the same way everyday. Doesn't feel healthy to be living life this way at this age. | ||
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Probemicro
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On July 18 2016 20:16 DucK- wrote: I won't feel jealous even for that money. I get that he is doing what he loves while making money from it. But I feel that the lack of a bustling competitive environment to the game makes playing BW no longer thrilling or motivating. . of course the games are not as top tier as they used to be. BUT despite that, there is still demand in korea to watch the players stream their games, as seen by the amount of donations pouring in for the best players. It shows that fans still want to watch their play, so why should the players not oblige? And the players get money for their showmatches, its a win-win. Thats a lot of motivation if you ask me. On July 18 2016 20:16 DucK- wrote: The game itself isn't being updated as well with patches to keep things fresh. other than OS compatibility and technical issues (which there will be a patch for in the future), the game is fine as it is. any ill-proposed funny silly balance changes will disrupt the finely poised balance BW had for so long and will enrage the established korean community. On July 18 2016 20:16 DucK- wrote: I feel they are too young to be doing things at a recreational level. There's no goals to set or achieve, life goes on the same way everyday. Doesn't feel healthy to be living life this way at this age. On the contrary i think society should be more open-minded and perhaps finally recognize that being a "streamer" (part time or otherwise) is a considerably valid career option, even for the long term. (and not just for recreation) Not just on afreeca, even on twitch there are people who earn a good living streaming whatever they enjoy, and in the process entertain and satisfy the cravings of their audience. So if you have the talent and/or fanbase why not? its not a conventional or the most ambitious career, but you still provide a service (entertainment) to society like any other job. Is that not fulfilling? | ||
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Japan11285 Posts
On July 18 2016 14:03 Essbee wrote: But honestly, I wish more bw tlers would be able to come to the games with us, it's just so nice being able to talk about the games going on with people who actually know the game well (Alur), it's basically like an irl LR thread. Yall need to come to seoul right now! ;D And the tl bw community is just the absolute best <3 Annnnnnd, let's go Last!! The one time I got to watch, CaucasianAsian was a few seats away from me but we didn't know each other. And there were like only 2 dozen ppl there lol. You're pretty lucky to me | ||
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On July 18 2016 20:46 c3rberUs wrote: The one time I got to watch, CaucasianAsian was a few seats away from me but we didn't know each other. And there were like only 2 dozen ppl there lol. You're pretty lucky to me Well, it's the first time that I was not the only foreigner going to the games. When I went to watch bw before, I was always alone (sonic starleague or the vant starleague too). | ||
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amazingxkcd
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On July 18 2016 20:16 ICanFlyLow wrote: Does anyone know why zero prematurely GG:ed even tho he had 3-4 bases mining? The same amount as flash and maybe even more drones. he ran out of gas | ||
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Sharp vs PianO Match 2 Zero vs Flash Match 3 Mong vs Last Match 4 | ||
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All notable BW tourneys, both Korean and foreigner are posted there. Direct link to ASL Ro16 day 1 In the future please link people (to the corresponding post) there to raise awareness. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 19 2016 01:34 Peeano wrote: It seems like a lot of people are not aware of the Small VOD Thread 2.0 All notable BW tourneys, both Korean and foreigner are posted there. Direct link to ASL Ro16 day 1 In the future please link people (to the corresponding post) there to raise awareness. Thank you | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On July 18 2016 16:20 letian wrote: JD has always been mechanically the strongest player, nobody could surpass his micro. I still remember his double muta stack on Blue Storm or his simultaneous muta splits in ZvZ. Being very good mechanically he outplayed a lot of players during his prime. Above that, he was one of the players to change ZvZ and ZvP meta and was, in my opinion, the epitome of a zerg player. Micro heavy, cunning and meticulous, rock solid in both early and late game. Just imagine, nobody except Flash was considered a threat to him. JD always had that awesome winning pattern LWW or LLWWW which made ppl bite their nails and eat heart pills. Yes, JD had the balls to risk and do some amazing come backs in history and that is why so many ppl loved watching him play. It is only after those 0-3 losses to Flash he started to slowly fade away just at the time when Flash started his way to Olympus. I wonder how would the history turn if Flash played protoss ?Not sure about BW, but I do think that history would turn out quite differently if Flash played Protoss in SC2 (and a few others have said this too before). His style would suit the SC2 Protoss macro defensive style, as perfected by Rain (who, being one of his BFFs, surely must have a lot of common with Flash in strategy and philosophy to talk about). Photon overcharges and pylon warp-ins for his turtling, and death-ball timings for his game-sense (something that perhaps Zest picked off Flash?). SC2 Terran generally seems stronger in early and mid-game. And the best approach to playing Terran has always been the all-action style of Maru. The only point where I thought Flash looked poise to dominate was at the end of HoTS, when late game mech was on a roll. Would Flash fare better in LoTV with tankivacs and liberators adding more positioning and slow push layer to Terran play? Perhaps. With the early game extra workers, would it be easier for Flash to macro up, try crazy builds like fast triple CCs, and get into his comfort zone? Perhaps. But here and now, it's great to have Flash back in BW! | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
On July 19 2016 01:34 Peeano wrote: It seems like a lot of people are not aware of the Small VOD Thread 2.0 All notable BW tourneys, both Korean and foreigner are posted there. Direct link to ASL Ro16 day 1 In the future please link people (to the corresponding post) there to raise awareness. Good stuff What's interesting is that ASL channel shows the matches as "Streamed live on Jul 17, 2016", so hopefully that continues. Alternative for folks to watch on Youtube rather than laggy Afreeca, albeit without BD/XKCD's English casting | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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VGhost
United States3610 Posts
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
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dangots0ul
United States919 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10096 Posts
On July 19 2016 10:18 dangots0ul wrote: I'm making my first post here since 2011 to say i'm so hard right now If you have an erection lasting more than 4 hour, please refrain from watching Starcraft for 24 hours. | ||
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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Little-Chimp
Canada948 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
On July 20 2016 01:26 Little-Chimp wrote: Indeed! Awesome! :D Just watched Flash vs Zero, so fun!Seeing professional brood war games casted by tasteless and artosis is so fucking sick | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49906 Posts
On July 21 2016 12:19 Dante08 wrote: What this is casted by Artosis and Tasteless and I managed to miss it live?!? twice | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Flash vs. Zero was a fun watch. Totally thought Zero had it until the last minute or so, and all of a sudden he just ran out of steam. Then I rewatch and notice how every push Flash does is cleaned up, but it does economical damage, and then the counterpush is held(barely, but held). Not having a supply tab or anything really in spectator makes it so much better in a sense because it's so hard to tell who is ahead/behind. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
When were they invited to cast ? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49906 Posts
what do you mean invited to cast? Its the Afreeca Starleague, they work for Afreeca. In any case they are casting the whole tournament, sundays and tuesdays. | ||
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v1p3r52
New Zealand182 Posts
I think they were one of the ones pushing to get the English cast in. They said it during the game. I thought the games where good and Artosis and Tasteless casting was quite good explaining things to newer players. So good t ohave BW tournys baCK | ||
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mauwee
Vatican City State78 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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The Intrepid
Canada205 Posts
On July 17 2016 18:16 classicyellow83 wrote: Here is Bisu's Prediction A:Effort B:Sharp C:Flash D:Mong Source I was living under a rock the past couple of months. Could anyone enlighten me as to why Bisu is not playing in this starleague? | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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SiegeFlank
United States410 Posts
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
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