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[VNSL] Finals: Bisu vs EffOrt - Page 19

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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
January 23 2016 09:12 GMT
#361
I can't help but notice that all the VNSL ads are trailers for Blizzard games. Is Blizz sponsoring this tournament in some way?
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
January 23 2016 09:12 GMT
#362
Who said Bisu will cheese 3 times and get 3-0-ed? Will see in the third game if that will be gate opening again, but I didn't like his decision making in first game, and I din't like his control in the second game. Don't know what he can rely on now?
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51589 Posts
January 23 2016 09:12 GMT
#363
On January 23 2016 18:11 Essbee wrote:
Whoever wins, we need terrans to step it up for the next SL


*cough* flash *cough*
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 09:14:06
January 23 2016 09:12 GMT
#364
On January 23 2016 18:08 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 18:06 Chef wrote:
On January 23 2016 18:04 WrathSCII wrote:
On January 23 2016 18:02 Arvendilin wrote:
Btw for those watching the Artosis&Tasteless english stream, how is their casting? Do they seem to know how the game still works?


They said Bisu is not known for being cheesy. Bisu went "Oh hold my beer"...

Zealot pressure != cheese. That's not an all in build when the 2 gate is at natural, there's lots of good transitions depending on what z does, and z doesn't really lose to it. Just Bisu wants to rely on good zealot micro to come out ahead with it. Only he wasn't looking at his zealots.

Normal situation is Bisu just hopes Effort makes more zerglings than he should.

His aggressive Zealot shit has already cost him 1 finals, and so many games on fish that I can't bother counting. You'd think he learn from all those defeats but he just keeps sending Zealots to their deaths willy-nilly. G1 and G2 both so far.

I don't think it's as stable either. I hope he will do a safer strat next game. I think in game 1 he was showing that the length of the game gives him more opportunities to get little advantages with dt harass and corsair pressure. People are too used to his early zealots maybe, I remember a year or so ago seeing him have good success with it, but sure doesn't seem that way anymore. It's not that hard to go overpool and shut it down and still be in an okay position if bisu went real forge FE.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
January 23 2016 09:13 GMT
#365
On January 23 2016 18:12 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 18:11 Essbee wrote:
Whoever wins, we need terrans to step it up for the next SL


*cough* flash *cough*


prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
January 23 2016 09:13 GMT
#366
Looking forward to Afreeca/Kongdoo announcement... really hoping for a follow up starleague.

With the sparse attendance in the early rounds and <10k viewers on /afstar1, I honestly don't know if Kongdoo can put together the investment necessary for a second season
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 23 2016 09:13 GMT
#367
On January 23 2016 18:12 Ribbon wrote:
I can't help but notice that all the VNSL ads are trailers for Blizzard games. Is Blizz sponsoring this tournament in some way?


It actually is a good event for Blizzard to advertise with, truthfully. Same audience set.

Now, watch Blizzard botch the Korean scene badly, especially when that scene is ripe for a good Shooter to take over.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
January 23 2016 09:13 GMT
#368
LETS GET THE COUNTDOWN GOING AT http://afreeca.tv/NSL1 GOOOOOOOOOO
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1712 Posts
January 23 2016 09:14 GMT
#369
On January 23 2016 17:55 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
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On January 23 2016 17:54 iFU.pauline wrote:
On January 23 2016 17:49 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
they're not as good as in 2011 when i last watched :<. Hardly surprising, still really enjoying it.

Has the meta evolved, or is the standard still 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra?



Skill is better than 2011 without a doubt.


doesn't look it to me..... I saw less mistakes in Jangbi vs Fantasy in 2011.

Could be wrong.


That was not even same match up :/

Yes it did, protoss opening vs zerg are more sharp, they do one gate much more often and have better harass, they also do cybernic core earlier which allows corsair much sooner, it forces us zerg to take gas before third hatch. Macro has been maxed out a long time ago but timing improved a lot.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 23 2016 09:15 GMT
#370
On January 23 2016 18:11 Arvendilin wrote:
Well its kinda sad that they are apparently more hyped than for SC2 (why can't everyone just be hyped for everything?) but awesome that they introduce new players to the game!

Only thing that sucks is that Artosis came back just to curse my favorite player

Eh, it's not really surprising considering they're casting SC2 since long while now and now are casting BW for only this event (for now). Casting a game for several years makes you less hyped by default, plus Bisu and EffOrt kinda are idols for Artosis and Tasteless who were playing/casting BW when young. Also, BW is really fun to watch (but also not always - see game 2).
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18634 Posts
January 23 2016 09:15 GMT
#371
On January 23 2016 18:12 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 18:11 Essbee wrote:
Whoever wins, we need terrans to step it up for the next SL


*cough* flash *cough*


you mistyped fantasy's name..
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
January 23 2016 09:16 GMT
#372
On January 23 2016 18:13 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 18:12 Ribbon wrote:
I can't help but notice that all the VNSL ads are trailers for Blizzard games. Is Blizz sponsoring this tournament in some way?


It actually is a good event for Blizzard to advertise with, truthfully. Same audience set.

Now, watch Blizzard botch the Korean scene badly, especially when that scene is ripe for a good Shooter to take over.


I wonder if Blizz is hoping to revive the BW scene now that KeSPA's been excised from it. Activision/Blizzard bought MLG a few months ago, maybe they're thinking of making a big push for "eSports" in a year or two.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 23 2016 09:16 GMT
#373
On January 23 2016 18:11 Essbee wrote:
Whoever wins, we need terrans to step it up for the next SL

please no top4 TvT only snoozefest again
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4208 Posts
January 23 2016 09:16 GMT
#374
On January 23 2016 18:12 Ribbon wrote:
I can't help but notice that all the VNSL ads are trailers for Blizzard games. Is Blizz sponsoring this tournament in some way?

I think so? They're advertising the game on the Battle.net Client, Starcraft Twitter account, and they were advertising the Starcraft 2 Arcade contest in previous Rounds?
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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
January 23 2016 09:16 GMT
#375
This Overwatch commercial was utterly uninspiring.

On to game 3!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 23 2016 09:16 GMT
#376
epic Over the Rainbow? wtf lol
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 23 2016 09:17 GMT
#377
On January 23 2016 18:14 iFU.pauline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 17:55 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
On January 23 2016 17:54 iFU.pauline wrote:
On January 23 2016 17:49 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
they're not as good as in 2011 when i last watched :<. Hardly surprising, still really enjoying it.

Has the meta evolved, or is the standard still 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra?



Skill is better than 2011 without a doubt.


doesn't look it to me..... I saw less mistakes in Jangbi vs Fantasy in 2011.

Could be wrong.


That was not even same match up :/

Yes it did, protoss opening vs zerg are more sharp, they do one gate much more often and have better harass, they also do cybernic core earlier which allows corsair much sooner, it forces us zerg to take gas before third hatch. Macro has been maxed out a long time ago but timing improved a lot.

I think in 2011 you go to the b team if you make that many errors. Still worth watching, but they simply don't have the same resources or motivations.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 23 2016 09:17 GMT
#378
the music choices are very interesting..
:)
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 23 2016 09:17 GMT
#379
On January 23 2016 18:13 prech wrote:
Looking forward to Afreeca/Kongdoo announcement... really hoping for a follow up starleague.

With the sparse attendance in the early rounds and <10k viewers on /afstar1, I honestly don't know if Kongdoo can put together the investment necessary for a second season


It really depends. If the first investment went "okay", it's normally possible to do better due to both knowledge and exposure. Business/marketing types should know that, but you can never truly count on the business acumen of just any business. They have to show it. And it has to bring a return for them.
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
January 23 2016 09:17 GMT
#380
On January 23 2016 18:16 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 18:11 Essbee wrote:
Whoever wins, we need terrans to step it up for the next SL

please no top4 TvT only snoozefest again


I love TvT but I see what you mean.

If this final would have had a Terran, I probably would have gone, even tho it's packed as hell.

What about TvP or TvZ then?
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