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Letherebelight
Profile Joined January 2013
Korea (South)29 Posts
June 12 2013 10:57 GMT
#61
if you say he clearly maphacks, you should have clear evidences. Those you wrote are just guesses. Isn't it?
We should follow 'Guilty Until Proven Innocent'. Cause there's no clear proof but only belief.
Flash maybe blamed as map hacker if he participated this tour lol anonymously. "oh how did he know that? map hacker!"
"He always do no barracks double command not whatching zerg's build!"
Starcraft BroodWar - Iccup A / Fish 1500 +
Letherebelight
Profile Joined January 2013
Korea (South)29 Posts
June 12 2013 10:58 GMT
#62
I've watched all of Flash's VODs, and maybe he is map hacker too. he normally use counter build without scout. Fun.
Starcraft BroodWar - Iccup A / Fish 1500 +
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria487 Posts
June 12 2013 10:59 GMT
#63
Also if Letherebelight is south korean why is he using fake flag on iccup - http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/profile/view/letherebelight.html (I would assume that's him)
music is the best thing in the world
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
June 12 2013 11:11 GMT
#64
that Letherebelight dude may even be the guy that you are accusing of hacks.. he has only 12 posts made so far..

that would be actually quite hilarious imo
T H C makes ppl happy
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 11:16:48
June 12 2013 11:16 GMT
#65
These are clear evidences because they are facts. It even has pictures and a desktop background which is approved by ninazerg. It's diligently written in the OP in the Under the Radar: Neagle thread and in the Brief summary.
Also, I doubt Flash plays in Defiler Tournaments. Unless skzlime says otherwise.
Enjoy the game
fold
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia665 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 11:37:30
June 12 2013 11:36 GMT
#66
I didn't see any blind probe pulling in game 2 vs whistler, he clearly saw the zerglings and that one probe blocking gave him enough time to react quickly. I think his PvZ builds are just cheesy and throw the zergs off. Maybe some weird decisions like why did he decide to make 2 cannons then cancel 1 off against whistler when he didn't see anything but he could also just be lucky with the builds.

I have no idea if he cheats or not but that shuttle was really suspicious. Also whistler wasn't going to win that anyway with no scouting...a pair of scourge would have taken care of the shuttle and also let him see the 8 gate.

Game 2 against Justice, I think it's really obvious to make an early forge. He doesn't even play Z so you can assume he's going to cheese. It's smart play.

Also have to take into account maybe he just knows how those people play like so he adjusts his builds.

t.t
Letherebelight
Profile Joined January 2013
Korea (South)29 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 11:42:11
June 12 2013 11:40 GMT
#67
On June 12 2013 20:36 fold wrote:
I didn't see any blind probe pulling in game 2 vs whistler, he clearly saw the zerglings and that one probe blocking gave him enough time to react quickly. I think his PvZ builds are just cheesy and throw the zergs off. Maybe some weird decisions like why did he decide to make 2 cannons then cancel 1 off against whistler when he didn't see anything but he could also just be lucky with the builds.

I have no idea if he cheats or not but that shuttle was really suspicious. Also whistler wasn't going to win that anyway with no scouting...a pair of scourge would have taken care of the shuttle and also let him see the 8 gate.

Game 2 against Justice, I think it's really obvious to make an early forge. He doesn't even play Z so you can assume he's going to cheese. It's smart play.

Also have to take into account maybe he just knows how those people play like so he adjusts his builds.



That's what i wanted to say. Build by Build, Person by Person.

These guys too naive.
Starcraft BroodWar - Iccup A / Fish 1500 +
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 12:13:19
June 12 2013 11:43 GMT
#68
On June 12 2013 20:36 fold wrote:
I didn't see any blind probe pulling in game 2 vs whistler, he clearly saw the zerglings and that one probe blocking gave him enough time to react quickly. I think his PvZ builds are just cheesy and throw the zergs off. Maybe some weird decisions like why did he decide to make 2 cannons then cancel 1 off against whistler when he didn't see anything but he could also just be lucky with the builds.

I have no idea if he cheats or not but that shuttle was really suspicious. Also whistler wasn't going to win that anyway with no scouting...a pair of scourge would have taken care of the shuttle and also let him see the 8 gate.

Game 2 against Justice, I think it's really obvious to make an early forge. He doesn't even play Z so you can assume he's going to cheese. It's smart play.

Also have to take into account maybe he just knows how those people play like so he adjusts his builds.



please see the thread (Under the Radar: Neagle), it even has pictures. also i analyzed 15 out of 15 games thoroughly...
Enjoy the game
Letherebelight
Profile Joined January 2013
Korea (South)29 Posts
June 12 2013 11:46 GMT
#69
On June 12 2013 20:43 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 20:36 fold wrote:
I didn't see any blind probe pulling in game 2 vs whistler, he clearly saw the zerglings and that one probe blocking gave him enough time to react quickly. I think his PvZ builds are just cheesy and throw the zergs off. Maybe some weird decisions like why did he decide to make 2 cannons then cancel 1 off against whistler when he didn't see anything but he could also just be lucky with the builds.

I have no idea if he cheats or not but that shuttle was really suspicious. Also whistler wasn't going to win that anyway with no scouting...a pair of scourge would have taken care of the shuttle and also let him see the 8 gate.

Game 2 against Justice, I think it's really obvious to make an early forge. He doesn't even play Z so you can assume he's going to cheese. It's smart play.

Also have to take into account maybe he just knows how those people play like so he adjusts his builds.



please see the thread, it even has pictures. also i analyzed 15 out of 15 games thoroughly...


Please read carefully. He's talking about your analisis exactly
Starcraft BroodWar - Iccup A / Fish 1500 +
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 12:19:20
June 12 2013 11:50 GMT
#70
On June 12 2013 20:46 Letherebelight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 20:43 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
On June 12 2013 20:36 fold wrote:
I didn't see any blind probe pulling in game 2 vs whistler, he clearly saw the zerglings and that one probe blocking gave him enough time to react quickly. I think his PvZ builds are just cheesy and throw the zergs off. Maybe some weird decisions like why did he decide to make 2 cannons then cancel 1 off against whistler when he didn't see anything but he could also just be lucky with the builds.

I have no idea if he cheats or not but that shuttle was really suspicious. Also whistler wasn't going to win that anyway with no scouting...a pair of scourge would have taken care of the shuttle and also let him see the 8 gate.

Game 2 against Justice, I think it's really obvious to make an early forge. He doesn't even play Z so you can assume he's going to cheese. It's smart play.

Also have to take into account maybe he just knows how those people play like so he adjusts his builds.



please see the thread, it even has pictures. also i analyzed 15 out of 15 games thoroughly...


Please read carefully. He's talking about your analisis exactly


Please answer the question honestly - "The quesiton is why are you all of a sudden so insistent on defending him? What do you know about him? Where do you know him from and how are you guys close?"

edit: up until this question letherebelight was answering almost instantly here ^^
Enjoy the game
Letherebelight
Profile Joined January 2013
Korea (South)29 Posts
June 12 2013 12:35 GMT
#71
On June 12 2013 20:50 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 20:46 Letherebelight wrote:
On June 12 2013 20:43 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
On June 12 2013 20:36 fold wrote:
I didn't see any blind probe pulling in game 2 vs whistler, he clearly saw the zerglings and that one probe blocking gave him enough time to react quickly. I think his PvZ builds are just cheesy and throw the zergs off. Maybe some weird decisions like why did he decide to make 2 cannons then cancel 1 off against whistler when he didn't see anything but he could also just be lucky with the builds.

I have no idea if he cheats or not but that shuttle was really suspicious. Also whistler wasn't going to win that anyway with no scouting...a pair of scourge would have taken care of the shuttle and also let him see the 8 gate.

Game 2 against Justice, I think it's really obvious to make an early forge. He doesn't even play Z so you can assume he's going to cheese. It's smart play.

Also have to take into account maybe he just knows how those people play like so he adjusts his builds.



please see the thread, it even has pictures. also i analyzed 15 out of 15 games thoroughly...


Please read carefully. He's talking about your analisis exactly


Please answer the question honestly - "The quesiton is why are you all of a sudden so insistent on defending him? What do you know about him? Where do you know him from and how are you guys close?"

edit: up until this question letherebelight was answering almost instantly here ^^



I was his clan member and I know his ability. He is not the one who lose to non-korean, absolutely.
Starcraft BroodWar - Iccup A / Fish 1500 +
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
June 12 2013 12:36 GMT
#72
Really? Which clan? What was his ID and your ID?
Enjoy the game
Letherebelight
Profile Joined January 2013
Korea (South)29 Posts
June 12 2013 12:45 GMT
#73
On June 12 2013 21:36 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Really? Which clan? What was his ID and your ID?


sorry but it's related with privacy that korean users can know,but what i can tell you is it's one of famous clans, and he was verified player. sorry for not to tell in that he is now at situaltion with some hack issue right? and neagle is his temporary ID.
Starcraft BroodWar - Iccup A / Fish 1500 +
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
June 12 2013 12:49 GMT
#74
On June 12 2013 21:45 Letherebelight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 21:36 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Really? Which clan? What was his ID and your ID?


sorry but it's related with privacy that korean users can know,but what i can tell you is it's one of famous clans, and he was verified player. sorry for not to tell in that he is now at situaltion with some hack issue right? and neagle is his temporary ID.


That's a very suspicious answer
Enjoy the game
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
June 12 2013 12:55 GMT
#75
Ok, where does he live? Where do you live? Do you know him personally?
Enjoy the game
Letherebelight
Profile Joined January 2013
Korea (South)29 Posts
June 12 2013 12:56 GMT
#76
On June 12 2013 21:49 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 21:45 Letherebelight wrote:
On June 12 2013 21:36 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Really? Which clan? What was his ID and your ID?


sorry but it's related with privacy that korean users can know,but what i can tell you is it's one of famous clans, and he was verified player. sorry for not to tell in that he is now at situaltion with some hack issue right? and neagle is his temporary ID.


That's a very suspicious answer


He was at several clans including By, Kal, Dreamteam...
I cannot contact him unless he join iccup with neagle, he is not playing fish after early of season
and he told in the channel he's just playing tour for fun and to learn english talking with others ,like he said in some replay. Why I advocate him is that tour's replay was similar to what he originally plays. He like 2base fast arbiter vs t, 11nexus vs zerg, 21probe two gate to kill FD ;; He did same as in his clan league.
Starcraft BroodWar - Iccup A / Fish 1500 +
Letherebelight
Profile Joined January 2013
Korea (South)29 Posts
June 12 2013 12:57 GMT
#77
He's korean, I'm korean, I know him via online
Starcraft BroodWar - Iccup A / Fish 1500 +
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 13:04:02
June 12 2013 13:03 GMT
#78
On June 12 2013 21:57 Letherebelight wrote:
He's korean, I'm korean, I know him via online

^.^~ just quoting
Enjoy the game
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 13:16:46
June 12 2013 13:12 GMT
#79
On June 12 2013 21:56 Letherebelight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 21:49 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
On June 12 2013 21:45 Letherebelight wrote:
On June 12 2013 21:36 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Really? Which clan? What was his ID and your ID?


sorry but it's related with privacy that korean users can know,but what i can tell you is it's one of famous clans, and he was verified player. sorry for not to tell in that he is now at situaltion with some hack issue right? and neagle is his temporary ID.


That's a very suspicious answer


He was at several clans including By, Kal, Dreamteam...
I cannot contact him unless he join iccup with neagle, he is not playing fish after early of season
and he told in the channel he's just playing tour for fun and to learn english talking with others ,like he said in some replay. Why I advocate him is that tour's replay was similar to what he originally plays. He like 2base fast arbiter vs t, 11nexus vs zerg, 21probe two gate to kill FD ;; He did same as in his clan league.

what is his Dream.T) aka?
Enjoy the game
Letherebelight
Profile Joined January 2013
Korea (South)29 Posts
June 12 2013 13:28 GMT
#80
told you can't tell

i'm out not worth doing this for him
Starcraft BroodWar - Iccup A / Fish 1500 +
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