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Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12972 Posts

November 23 2012 22:59 GMT

#621

On November 24 2012 07:47 Eywa- wrote:

I agree,

Solution 1: No race changing because previous race became too easy (higher level players were not allowed to sign up with off race)

Anyone else please post suggestions and feedback!

That wasn't why I changed race. I simply didn't enjoy Protoss much in terms of how they play. Also, this isn't exactly being productive.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

November 23 2012 22:59 GMT

#622

On November 24 2012 07:35 Eywa- wrote:

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Team Courage's top line up has a win rate of 6:1 for individual sets, if you do the math and with how people claim most of the people in this league are D+, how many sets before you reach C-? (It's actually simple math, not sure if you learned to count though)

So basically, even though if you look on all of their ICCup profiles none of them have hit C-, except maybe those that hit it like.......20 million years ago, you just say that they're potentially "C-" players.

I think as someone who hangs out with these guys, they just practice a lot, research their opponents more, and tap into a lot of resources and advice that higher level players have. I think it's unfair to brush off their hard work by just saying that "oh these guys have beaten all these people in D ranks teamleague X many times, which would translate to C- if this was all hypothetically a ladder!!!!"

Jealous

10340 Posts

November 23 2012 23:04 GMT

#623

On November 24 2012 07:35 Eywa- wrote:

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This same argument was presented during ASL1 IIRC - people during ladder stage could reach B- but because they play in a vacuum with a group of players, naturally the best of them will rise above what their real rank could be. Same applies here - just because someone wins 30 games vs this group of players does NOT mean they can actually hold C-, because 1. there are plenty of strong D+ players who are not in this league and 2. because there are no (or almost none, maybe) C- players to push them back down to D+/give them the losses they would have if they were laddering. Point invalid.

In general, can you just gtfo this thread and stop whining? Seriously. Go run your own D rank league and make things the way you want to there, don't shit this one up because things aren't according to your biased and subjective standards.

Eywa-

Canada4876 Posts

November 23 2012 23:18 GMT

#624

On November 24 2012 07:59 Zergneedsfood wrote:

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If you look at their iccup profiles, none of them have played enough ladder games to - even if they had a 100% win rate - get C- in the past 20 million years.

Eywa-

Canada4876 Posts

November 23 2012 23:19 GMT

#625

On November 24 2012 08:04 Jealous wrote:

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I think you've lost the meaning of the word "whining" because you're actually whining because I'm arguing.

Eywa-

Canada4876 Posts

November 23 2012 23:31 GMT

#626

On November 24 2012 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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That wasn't why I changed race. I simply didn't enjoy Protoss much in terms of how they play. Also, this isn't exactly being productive.

I wasn't pointing fingers, but since you insist on making this about you, let's see what your previous team leader had to say about it back when it happened in March 2012... When we were discussing how to get more players for ASL.

[29/03/2012 10:48:32 PM] sGs.Shimy: What are your thoughts on signups so far?
[29/03/2012 10:48:37 PM] sGs.Shimy: Expecting more?
[29/03/2012 10:48:41 PM] sGs.Shimy: happy with 39 or whatever?
[29/03/2012 10:48:47 PM] sGs.Shimy: I mean
[29/03/2012 10:48:55 PM] sGs.Shimy: We have 11 days left
[29/03/2012 10:49:35 PM] Benjamin Petroff: we have 37 players
[29/03/2012 10:49:41 PM] Benjamin Petroff: not counting invites
[29/03/2012 10:50:03 PM] sGs.Shimy: Wait what?
[29/03/2012 10:50:11 PM] sGs.Shimy: I thought we had more
[29/03/2012 10:50:34 PM] Benjamin Petroff: there are more players in CRTL than there are in ASL atm
[29/03/2012 10:50:46 PM] Benjamin Petroff: and many of the CRTL players have yet to sign up
[29/03/2012 10:50:55 PM] sGs.Shimy: Which is because of L_Master TT
[29/03/2012 10:51:00 PM] sGs.Shimy: He's not listening to me lol
[29/03/2012 10:51:00 PM] Benjamin Petroff: we have the potential for 60ish at least
[29/03/2012 10:51:08 PM] sGs.Shimy: I'm about to just post in the league myself
[29/03/2012 10:51:25 PM] Benjamin Petroff: bad business

[29/03/2012 10:52:05 PM] sGs.Shimy: I've messaged like, 90 different people on iCCup about the league LOL
[29/03/2012 10:52:15 PM] sGs.Shimy: Gotten some replies
[29/03/2012 10:52:22 PM] sGs.Shimy: but I don't know if any of them joined
[29/03/2012 10:54:32 PM] sGs.Shimy: Also
[29/03/2012 10:54:33 PM] sGs.Shimy: Maps
[29/03/2012 10:54:35 PM] Benjamin Petroff: you need to promote lots
[29/03/2012 10:54:42 PM] sGs.Shimy: What are we thinking about maps
[29/03/2012 10:54:46 PM] sGs.Shimy: And promote how?
[29/03/2012 10:54:50 PM] sGs.Shimy: What should I do now?
[29/03/2012 10:54:53 PM] Benjamin Petroff: ;d
[29/03/2012 10:54:56 PM] sGs.Shimy: I've PM'd a lot of people on TL too
[29/03/2012 10:54:59 PM] sGs.Shimy: tt
[29/03/2012 10:55:00 PM] Benjamin Petroff: get admins to announce
[29/03/2012 10:55:39 PM] Benjamin Petroff: psyonicreaver and skeggaba still cowards ;d don't want to be forced into CRTL
[29/03/2012 10:55:41 PM] Benjamin Petroff: :D
[29/03/2012 10:56:03 PM] Benjamin Petroff: gao as well
[29/03/2012 10:57:27 PM] sGs.Shimy: Artanis[Xp] switched races to have more of a challenge LOL
[29/03/2012 10:57:54 PM] Benjamin Petroff: Validated the point
[29/03/2012 10:57:56 PM] Benjamin Petroff: I made
[29/03/2012 10:57:59 PM] Benjamin Petroff: get him to join
[29/03/2012 10:58:05 PM] Benjamin Petroff: or kick him off your DRTL team
[29/03/2012 10:58:08 PM] Benjamin Petroff: :D
[29/03/2012 10:58:08 PM] sGs.Shimy: We're hoping he loses a match so he's not asked to leave our team
[29/03/2012 10:58:23 PM] Benjamin Petroff: ...
[29/03/2012 10:58:24 PM] Benjamin Petroff: dude
[29/03/2012 10:58:28 PM] Benjamin Petroff: Nikon is incapable of action
[29/03/2012 10:58:45 PM] sGs.Shimy: Eh, it's just a DRTL
[29/03/2012 10:58:53 PM] Benjamin Petroff: omg
[29/03/2012 10:58:54 PM] sGs.Shimy: It's not like a major event or anything

[29/03/2012 10:58:59 PM] Benjamin Petroff: why does everyone keep saying that?
[29/03/2012 10:59:10 PM] sGs.Shimy: Well I understand your anger
[29/03/2012 10:59:18 PM] Benjamin Petroff: "just drtl" "JUST DRTL"
[29/03/2012 10:59:27 PM] Benjamin Petroff: what's the point if its JUST DRTL
[29/03/2012 10:59:36 PM] sGs.Shimy: Well I didn't mean it like that

[29/03/2012 10:59:41 PM] Benjamin Petroff: its as much of a league as any others or at least it was...
[29/03/2012 11:00:00 PM] Benjamin Petroff: its been made into a caricature of the first season
[29/03/2012 11:00:09 PM] Benjamin Petroff: its not even the same league anymore
[29/03/2012 11:00:48 PM] Benjamin Petroff: you realised
[29/03/2012 11:00:51 PM] Benjamin Petroff: realise*
[29/03/2012 11:00:56 PM] Benjamin Petroff: that if every game started on time
[29/03/2012 11:01:03 PM] Benjamin Petroff: there's the possibility of 15 minute CWs?
[29/03/2012 11:01:16 PM] Benjamin Petroff: if every game started on time, no CW should exceed 45 minutes
[29/03/2012 11:01:20 PM] Benjamin Petroff: that's a complete joke
[29/03/2012 11:01:23 PM] Benjamin Petroff: in my opinion
[29/03/2012 11:01:42 PM] Benjamin Petroff: it's not a league, its a place where people go to play a friendly game once a week whenever they feel
[29/03/2012 11:02:16 PM] Benjamin Petroff: pre announced line ups take away from the league
[29/03/2012 11:02:24 PM] Benjamin Petroff: Simultaneous Bo1 takes away from the league
[29/03/2012 11:02:39 PM] Benjamin Petroff: 4-5 C ranks takes away from the league
[29/03/2012 11:02:59 PM] Benjamin Petroff: excessive PP takes away from the league
[29/03/2012 11:03:04 PM] Benjamin Petroff: at the end of the day
[29/03/2012 11:03:21 PM] Benjamin Petroff: there's not much left to take away
[29/03/2012 11:03:23 PM] Benjamin Petroff:

[29/03/2012 11:03:43 PM] Benjamin Petroff: I can schedule a match with any D rank on my own
[29/03/2012 11:03:47 PM] Benjamin Petroff: and we'll play a Bo3
[29/03/2012 11:03:58 PM] Benjamin Petroff: ;d
[29/03/2012 11:04:02 PM] sGs.Shimy: LOL
[29/03/2012 11:04:23 PM] Benjamin Petroff: all I said
[29/03/2012 11:04:24 PM] Benjamin Petroff: is true
[29/03/2012 11:04:29 PM] sGs.Shimy: yup
[29/03/2012 11:04:33 PM] Benjamin Petroff: the simultaneous Bo1
[29/03/2012 11:04:37 PM] Benjamin Petroff: is RETARDED
[29/03/2012 11:04:52 PM] sGs.Shimy: Wait how could a CW only last 15 minutes?
[29/03/2012 11:05:00 PM] Benjamin Petroff: ;d and you can't put in line ups ahead of time because you SHOULD have to work with whoever's there
[29/03/2012 11:05:05 PM] Benjamin Petroff: huh...
[29/03/2012 11:05:15 PM] Benjamin Petroff: I'd say
[29/03/2012 11:05:20 PM] Benjamin Petroff: at least 1/5 of SC games
[29/03/2012 11:05:24 PM] Benjamin Petroff: are 20 minutes or less
[29/03/2012 11:05:29 PM] Benjamin Petroff: probably 3/4
[29/03/2012 11:05:31 PM] sGs.Shimy: More than that O_o
[29/03/2012 11:05:32 PM] sGs.Shimy: Yeah
[29/03/2012 11:05:36 PM] Benjamin Petroff: so...
[29/03/2012 11:05:39 PM] Benjamin Petroff: Simultaneous Bo1
[29/03/2012 11:05:46 PM] Benjamin Petroff: should be under 20 minute CW
[29/03/2012 11:05:48 PM] Benjamin Petroff: which
[29/03/2012 11:05:48 PM] Benjamin Petroff: as I said
[29/03/2012 11:05:51 PM] Benjamin Petroff: is a joke
[29/03/2012 11:06:02 PM] sGs.Shimy: Oh I see what you were saying
[29/03/2012 11:06:08 PM] sGs.Shimy: Anyway
[29/03/2012 11:06:14 PM] Benjamin Petroff: this was discussed
[29/03/2012 11:06:16 PM] Benjamin Petroff: when we did NW
[29/03/2012 11:06:29 PM] Benjamin Petroff: either had to be Bo3 or one after the other
[29/03/2012 11:06:39 PM] Benjamin Petroff: I am a huge fan of how the Bo3 turned out
[29/03/2012 11:06:43 PM] Benjamin Petroff: was spectacular
[29/03/2012 11:06:44 PM] Benjamin Petroff: imo
[29/03/2012 11:06:49 PM] sGs.Shimy: Yeah
[29/03/2012 11:06:53 PM] sGs.Shimy: It was really good ;P
[29/03/2012 11:06:56 PM] Benjamin Petroff:

[29/03/2012 11:07:05 PM] Benjamin Petroff: *Flexes e-peen*

User was temp banned for this post.

Nagisama

Canada4481 Posts

November 23 2012 23:49 GMT

#627

[29/03/2012 11:01:42 PM] Benjamin Petroff: it's not a league, its a place where people go to play a friendly game once a week whenever they feel

I see nothing wrong with this. You want to know what else takes away from a league? People constantly whining and inciting drama at whether or not someone deserves to be in a league or not. If you hate the DRTL and everything about it so much, stop posting here and make your own the way you want it. That way, you can kick out whoever you want from the league.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

November 23 2012 23:51 GMT

#628

On November 24 2012 08:18 Eywa- wrote:

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If you look at their iccup profiles, none of them have played enough ladder games to - even if they had a 100% win rate - get C- in the past 20 million years.

I think that just proves my point.

Jealous

10340 Posts

November 23 2012 23:58 GMT

#629

Can we all stop feeding the troll now, I know this is hypocritical of me to say but I always forget >_<

Gao Xi

Hong Kong5178 Posts

November 24 2012 00:04 GMT

#630

I have never been even remotely close to C-. So I don't even know why you like calling me out.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12972 Posts

November 24 2012 00:11 GMT

#631

Yes Eywa, because that was entirely my intention. You were the one that made it about me. Also, you realize that this might be how Shimy perceived it but not how I said it, right? Thirdly, if you actually look at the games I played both that season and this season you'll notice I got lucky in a lot of my wins. Watch the games, don't only look at the results.

My intention with posting here was to stop this thread from derailing into drama. Stop poisoning the atmosphere here.

ZoW

United States3983 Posts

November 24 2012 01:00 GMT

#632

On November 24 2012 08:31 Eywa- wrote:

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[29/03/2012 11:07:05 PM] Benjamin Petroff: *Flexes e-peen*

why are you even wasting your time here i thought you had some non-profit corporation thingy to run

Hyeon

Korea (South)462 Posts

November 24 2012 02:27 GMT

#633

On November 24 2012 06:04 Eywa- wrote:

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I've never hit C-, I got B rank because of admin stupidity and maybe would have gotten C- when I was active, but I haven't played actively in the past full year... maybe 10 games total. So given that I never hit C- and was ALMOST there before, I doubt I can come anywhere near now.

I couldn't stop laughing with reading this post. seriously, what's wrong with you? LOL

fold

Australia665 Posts

November 24 2012 02:35 GMT

#634

Courage win because they practice hard...you guys just try to catch up

Sentenal

United States12398 Posts

November 24 2012 05:18 GMT

#635

On November 24 2012 08:58 Jealous wrote:
Can we all stop feeding the troll now, I know this is hypocritical of me to say but I always forget >_<

This. We all know the reason why Eywa cries about this at every possible opportunity (aka this: + Show Spoiler +

). We don't need to constantly revisit it all the time just for his sake. Maybe it would be better in the future to PM these concerns to the guys who run this league, to completely avoid possible Eywa trolling?

Speaking of which, Birdie should update his ELO thing

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

November 24 2012 06:02 GMT

#636

Indeed I should >.>

Sinedd

Poland7052 Posts

November 24 2012 10:06 GMT

#637

I dont know what to say anymore..

this is just ludicrous..

Cpt.beefy

Ireland799 Posts

November 24 2012 11:55 GMT

#638

Oooooook................ *sigh*

So when are the castings?

Stratos

Czech Republic6104 Posts

November 24 2012 14:12 GMT

#639

"[29/03/2012 10:58:59 PM] Benjamin Petroff: why does everyone keep saying that?
[29/03/2012 10:59:18 PM] Benjamin Petroff: "just drtl" "JUST DRTL"
[29/03/2012 10:59:27 PM] Benjamin Petroff: what's the point if its JUST DRTL"

to have fun? might be just me but I think it's like the same 5 people arguing about the same 5 people time and time again and the rest of us is still.. having fun.